[Independent_Srpska]

And what the constitution of Socialistic Republic Croatia say?

According to the Constitution, Republic of Croatia is.

And my question was?

[roxunreal]

Short lived? Well, he was the Minister of Police in the time when Ustashas didn't organize terrorists para-military murderer forces. Which means he was the bully who knew everything about harassing and murdering Serbs.

How did he know everything if as you said he was minister at the time Croats DIDN'T organise any military units? Do you even have an idea of what you are writing?

He had a fight with HDZ and started loving Yugoslavia again when he saw that in an independent Croatia his crimes may not be hidden by the state anymore, that was motive to start bashing and accusing anything that was against Yugoslavia (and by that definition, against his killings of civilians in 1945-6), thus his bias on the matter is 100% pro-Yugoslavia and he cannot be regarded as anything resembling a trustworthy source. That's all there is to it, but it's clear that Serb apologists are always looking for the most biased and extremist sources possible because those are the only ones that go in their favor.

And caused the civil war

Yeah, everyone caused the civil war by peacefully leaving Yugoslavia within their state borders
- except the Serbs who started killing first, but killing isn't a start of the war right, peaceful secession is.

And what the constitution of Socialistic Republic Croatia say?

The constitution of Socialistic Republic of Croatia wasn't the constitution of Croatia but the constitution of a non-independent Yugoslav state under control of Belgrade.

Let me break it down for you:

1. Serbs never had a Serb state on Croatian soil in history.
2. Serbs were a "constituent nation" in Croatia because the powers that be in Yugoslavia wanted to expand Serb influence under the guise of protecting them from Ustasa even though all the Ustasa were executed or ran away after the war.
3. Croatia gained independence in the 90's and made its own laws without interference from Belgrade.
4. And accordingly and legitimately made Serbs a recognised national minority because there were only 12% of them in the country.
5. The Serbs responded by taking one third of Croat territory and proclaiming an inexistent parasite-country which was founded on expelling 170 000 Croats and other non-Serbs, committing massacres and bombing Croat cities.
6. All while the 90 000 Croats in Serbia never even had the status of national minority until 2005, but they didn't go on a murderous rampage to kill Serbs like the Serbs did in Croatia. - What does that make the Serbs then?

There is no need for you to ramble ustasha turbohistoric idiocies (which means the rest of your post) - the story is simple:
• Croats wanted illegal secession,
• they attacked Serbs to cause the war,
• Croats got their fascistic ass whooped,
• Croats started whining and crying their eyes out for NATOjs help,
• NATO fascists did not allow the Yugoslav legal and military mechanism to defeat Croat butchers and terrorist.

Basically, that already happened in 1941 it lasted till 1945 (when Nazi Germans helped Nazi Croats), but times has changed and it will change again

These must be children's bed time stories in Serbia but that's as close to reality it's about to get.

Still anger and tears because NATO prevented you from killing muslim civilians in Bosnia? It's easy to kill everyone when you have all the weapons love, thak god for NATO in that regard to put you in your place in Bosnia and even out the odds. Didn't feel so mighty when you saw someone had bigger guns than you now did you? Now you know how it felt to be terror-bombed in Sarajevo every day for 4 years by Serb criminals.

Oh now NATO are fascists too? Everyone against Serbian mass murder must be a fascist right? Except the Chetniks, which actually collaborated with the fascists in WW2. The whole world is fascist only the Serbs who actually wanted to kill an entire nation in Bosnia by genocide are not fascist, they're the good guys, right?

Of Course Croats never needed NATO as every round fired in the liberation of Croatia was from our own forces, while the Serbs occupiers fled with their tail between their legs and ordered all civilians to go with them so they can later whine about "Croats cleansing them". But I do like the entertaining NATO rationalisations for your defeat

Times are changing indeed, they are changing by Serbia getting smaller and smaller as time goes by - gotta love Karma right? Wanted other people's lands, then in the end lost their own as punishment for their greed

[Independent_Srpska]

How did he know everything if as you said he was minister at the time Croats DIDN'T organise any military units? Do you even have an idea of what you are writing?

Well, genius, the only armed forces Croat secessionists had at that moment were under control of the Minister of Police - which exactly means this guy knew what he was talking. What a brain-dead ustasha you are , you don't even know how it looked like in the beginning.

Yeah, everyone caused the civil war by peacefully leaving Yugoslavia within their state borders
- except the Serbs who started killing first, but killing isn't a start of the war right, peaceful secession is.

Not everyone, only Slovenians, Croats and BH-Muslims. They started ethnic cleansing and killing Serbs.

And what the constitution of Socialistic Republic Croatia say?

The constitution of Socialistic Republic of Croatia wasn't the constitution of Croatia but the constitution of a non-independent Yugoslav state under control of Belgrade.

That's not the answer to the question:"What the constitution of SR Croatia say?"

Let me break it down for you:

1. Serbs never had a Serb state on Croatian soil in history.

(again:"What the constitution of SR Croatia say?")

2. Serbs were a "constituent nation" in Croatia because the powers that be in Yugoslavia wanted to expand Serb influence under the guise of protecting them from Ustasa even though all the Ustasa were executed or ran away after the war.

Nope, the "constituent status" of the Serbs from military Krajina, Austrian Military Krajina (mostly inhabited by Serbs) was never part of Croatia (which, basically , never existed until communist created it in this shape) , was the reason why Serbs, the winners in WWII agreed to be incorporated with nazi-croat butchers (the losers in WWII) in one Socialistic Republic. Socialistic Republics at the moment of creation had no state prerogatives, which was another reason why Serbs agreed to be part of SR Croatia altogether with nazi-Croats.

3. Croatia gained independence in the 90's and made its own laws without interference from Belgrade.

Croat terrorist violated the constitution of Yugoslavia in 1990, than they attacked Serbs in Croatia, that way Croats caused the civil war.

4. And accordingly and legitimately made Serbs a recognised national minority because there were only 12% of them in the country.

Croats violated the constitution of SR Croatia, which means SR Croatia was void. Serbs accordingly exercised their constituent right to stay in their homes within Yugoslavia, the country they made, and freed up from croatian nazi-fascist in WWII, or Croatian genocidal butchers in WWI.

5. The Serbs responded by taking one third of Croat territory and proclaiming an inexistent parasite-country which was founded on expelling 170 000 Croats and other non-Serbs, committing massacres and bombing Croat cities.

Well, though you lie about figures, but you finally said one truthful fact - THE SERBS RESPONDED to Croat massacres, killings and harassment. So, you shouldn't have started massacring Serbs, even the whole families with under-aged kids (even in the capital Zagreb). You shouldn't have made Croatia void. You shouldn't have started burning Serb homes and villages. You shouldn't have opted for violent and illegal secession from Yugoslavia.

6. All while the 90 000 Croats in Serbia never even had the status of national minority until 2005, but they didn't go on a murderous rampage to kill Serbs like the Serbs did in Croatia. - What does that make the Serbs then?

Well, the fact is the Serbs from Serbia never attacked Croats in Serbia, like Croats DID attack Serbs in Croatia (as admitted by your high ranking official (Ustasha No.2) - who was in charge of those attack on Serbs).

Still anger and tears because NATO prevented you from killing muslim civilians in Bosnia? It's easy to kill everyone when you have all the weapons love, thak god for NATO in that regard to put you in your place in Bosnia and even out the odds. Didn't feel so mighty when you saw someone had bigger guns than you now did you? Now you know how it felt to be terror-bombed in Sarajevo every day for 4 years by Serb criminals.

Well, I wish only that you, NATO's puppets, didn't listen NATO and started with killing Serbs - you wouldn't now whining over the consequences of your own, initial massacres.

Times are changing indeed, they are changing by Serbia getting smaller and smaller as time goes by - gotta love Karma right? Wanted other people's lands, then in the end lost their own as punishment for their greed

Well, the fact is Croats wanted to Serbs to disappear, they wanted Serb property and Serb homes in 1991, like they wanted in 1941.... they made it in 1941, by the help of Nazi-Germany, but times had changed..they made it in 1991 by the help of "nato"-Germany - the times will change, no worries, my dear "nation's guilt" genius...at least you should know

[Maas]

Well, the fact is Croats wanted to Serbs to disappear, they wanted Serb property and Serb homes in 1991, like they wanted in 1941.... they made it in 1941, by the help of Nazi-Germany, but times had changed..they made it in 1991 by the help of "nato"-Germany - the times will change, no worries, my dear "nation's guilt" genius...at least you should know

Whatever the history is -according to your reality and/or mine- is rather all irrelevant for Mladic at the moment.
It won't be an argument for a justification of his responsability of having a genocide.

[roxunreal]

Well, genius, the only armed forces Croat secessionists had at that moment were under control of the Minister of Police - which exactly means this guy knew what he was talking.

You said that he was minister of police at the time Croats didn't "attack Serbs", so by your own words, how would he know if they didn't attack anyone while he was in charge? You are directly contradicting what you wrote yet I'm the one who's "brain dead"

Not everyone, only Slovenians, Croats and BH-Muslims. They started ethnic cleansing and killing Serbs.

Sure, add in some America, Germany, Britain, The Vatican and other as well, everyone was wrong except the Serbs right?

The constitution of Socialistic Republic of Croatia wasn't the constitution of Croatia but the constitution of a non-independent Yugoslav state under control of Belgrade.

That's not the answer to the question:"What the constitution of SR Croatia say?"

Maybe you didn't read my response right so I'll post it again.
What it said was irrelevant, because: The constitution of Socialistic Republic of Croatia wasn't the constitution of Croatia but the constitution of a non-independent Yugoslav state under control of Belgrade.

When Yugoslavia ceased to exist so did SR Croatia you know It's the Republic of Croatia within the former country's same borders that existed then, and its laws and its own Constitution.

Nope, the "constituent status" of the Serbs from military Krajina, Austrian Military Krajina (mostly inhabited by Serbs) was never part of Croatia (which, basically , never existed until communist created it in this shape)

Well that's just complete ignorance about history, as the independent Croatian Duchies and later the Croatian Kingdom existed since the 8th century and included the area of Krajina completely in its territory, while Serbs never had control of it in the history of mankind. The area was also part of what was Croatia within the Austro-Hungarian empire for certain times during its history. SO it was under Croat control many times, under Serb control - never, thus the Serbs have absolutely no claim to it whatsoever.

was the reason why Serbs, the winners in WWII agreed to be incorporated with nazi-croat butchers

Historical revisionism, Serbs weren't the "winners" of anything in Croatia, the Partisans which were frist organised in Croatia, and whose leader was a Croat were the winners against the fascist traitors. So Croats actually saved the Serbs from being killed even more by Croat traitors I know this may be hard for you to accept, so you can take 5 minutes to cry now before continuing reading

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Croat terrorist violated the constitution of Yugoslavia in 1990, than they attacked Serbs in Croatia, that way Croats caused the civil war.

Serb terrorists and imperialists started killing and expelling Croats en masse because they seceded peacefully, before Croats massacred or bombed anyone.

Croats violated the constitution of SR Croatia, which means SR Croatia was void.

OF COURSE SR Croatia was void, thanks for finally agreeing with me .
SR Croatia WAS void when it became the Republic of Croatia, and so was its Belgrade-imposed constitution that made the 12% Serb minority worth as much as 80% of Croat majority in that country. Why should one Serb be worth as much as 6-7 Croats again? Ah yes, Serb supremecism - Serbs are more special than anyone else.

Serbs accordingly exercised their constituent right to stay in their homes within Yugoslavia

Which was not the problem, they could stay in their homes. The problem is that they took one third of Croatia and expelled 170 000 Croats at the start of the war.

but you finally said one truthful fact - THE SERBS RESPONDED to Croat massacres

The Serbs responded to Croat independence and granting them protected national minority status, that's what I said, liar.

I never said the Serbs responded to Croat massacres because there is not a single Croat massacre that happened before the Serbs killed over 160 Croats in Borovo Selo, Dalj, Lovas and Siroka Kula, among others less known. Just as same as they never started shelling any Serb cities before the Serbs shelled and destroyed more than 10 Croat cities and killed thousnads.

6. All while the 90 000 Croats in Serbia never even had the status of national minority until 2005, but they didn't go on a murderous rampage to kill Serbs like the Serbs did in Croatia. - What does that make the Serbs then?

Well, the fact is the Serbs from Serbia never attacked Croats in Serbia, like Croats DID attack Serbs in Croatia (as admitted by your high ranking official (Ustasha No.2) - who was in charge of those attack on Serbs).

I trink you got that wrong love, and are using the words of a pro-Yugoslav liar and communist war criminal in whose interest it is to attack anything against Yugoslavia, to try to back up a view that is otherwise compeltely alien to historical fact.
Show me those massacres of Serbs in Croatia before the Serbs massacred Croats.
Show me those bombed Serb cities, before the Serbs bombed more than half of Croatia.

You can't? Then we have nothing to talk about.

Serbs started killing Croats in Croatia and taking their territory.
Croats in Serbia never started killing Serbs nor took their territory.
What does that say about the Serbs?

Well, I wish only that you, NATO's puppets, didn't listen NATO and started with killing Serbs

If you wish we "started killing Serbs" than you admit that you don't even care about Serbs in croatia, just about territory But it was always about territory wasn't it? Serbia never cared about Serbs in Croatia, just about the land - that's why your traitor Milosevic didn't even take in most of the running-away Serbs after Croatia's liberation.

Well, the fact is Croats wanted to Serbs to disappear, they wanted Serb property and Serb homes in 1991, like they wanted in 1941.... they made it in 1941, by the help of Nazi-Germany, but times had changed..they made it in 1991 by the help of "nato"-Germany - the times will change, no worries, my dear "nation's guilt" genius...at least you should know

Sure, you can't argument absolutely anything from the 90's without having to go back to the 40's even though most of all the Croat fascists from the 40's were killed after the war ended and it has nothing to do with the 90's at all.

The Serbs are the ones who took others property in Croatia where they never had a country in the history of the world.

At the same time while you bash "fascists Croat Ustasas" that don't exist after 1946. keep on hypocritically defending those proven Serb fascist collaborators known as Chetniks, so everyone can see how unbiased and credible you are

[Canis_Lupus]

At the same time while you bash "fascists Croat Ustasas" that don't exist after 1946. keep on hypocritically defending those proven Serb fascist collaborators known as Chetniks, so everyone can see how unbiased and credible you are

Don't exist? How are you kidding? Yourself?

Neo-Nazi Songs, 'Heil Hitler' Salutes at Croatian Soccer Matches

Croatian soccer teams are cheered on the field with popular songs glorifying WWII genocide played over the speakers and Nazi salutes in the stands.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/133333

According to The Sun, some of the most inflammatory songs by neo-Nazi rocker Marko Perkovic as well as World War II slogans of the Nazi-allied Ustashe regime are chanted by soccer fans at Croatian home games. The national team's manager was said by The Sun to have played Perkovic's music "in the dressing room to fire up his players." Croatian soccer hooligans often wear Ustashe uniforms and give the Seig Heil Nazi salute, with thousands of other fans joining in for fascist Ustashe and Perkovic chants.

The Ustashe murdered over a million people from 1941-1945, most of them Serbs. Others rounded up and killed by Ustashe forces included at least 30,000 Jews and Roma (Gypsies).

According to The Sun, Perkovic is "a cult figure on white supremacist website Stormfront" for his glorification of the Nazi puppet regime of World War II Croatia and its genocide of Serbs, Jews and Roma. The newspaper added that a Perkovic song in honor of a commander of Croatia's Nazi SS unit, the Black Legion, was omitted at one game in 2007 -- when the Coat footballers faced off against Israel.

Nazi memorial in Croatia a disgrace to Europe

By EFRAIM ZUROFF

LAST UPDATED: 01/04/2012 23:28

A service for Hitler is unthinkable. So why is the world quiet in response to a service for Ante Pavelić?


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At the same time while you bash "fascists Croat Ustasas" that don't exist after 1946. keep on hypocritically defending those proven Serb fascist collaborators known as Chetniks, so everyone can see how unbiased and credible you are

[roxunreal]

Yeah, because 200 people holding a private memorial for a war criminal means that the entire of Croatia is full of "nazi-Croats" out to kill Serbs

Of course your source is a British tabloid which is basically the rock bottom of journalism.

There are idiots in the minority everywhere, Croatia is no excpetion. The ones actually responsible for Croat fascist crimes were all long dead, assasinated, or in jail decades before the wars in the Balkans started. 99% of today's "Croat fascists" as you call them are 15 year old kids who grow out of it by the time they get their first girlfriend.

[Independent_Srpska]

You said that he was minister of police at the time Croats didn't "attack Serbs", so by your own words, how would he know if they didn't attack anyone while he was in charge? You are directly contradicting what you wrote yet I'm the one who's "brain dead"

Yep, you would be the brain-dead one

However, read this carefully:

Croat media censored reports from Boljkovac’s testimony at the trial against former Osijek mayor Branimir Glavaš, war criminal responsible for horrific crimes against the local Serbs, concealing parts of his testimony which charge Croatia with instigating the war.

“During the testimony, Glavaš accused me of persecuting him because he destroyed the bridge on river Drava in Osijek [Croatia]. He claimed he had destroyed the bridge to protect the town from JNA [Yugoslav National Army] tanks, and I responded that, at the time, JNA was a regular army of an internationally recognized state, while Croatia, which was not recognized, was part of Yugoslavia. Then I explained who started armed conflicts in that part of Slavonija,” Boljkovac told Frankfurt-based daily Vesti.

So, it was an official trial in the court of justice in Croatia. The guy was under the oath, had he lied anything, Croatian establishment, caught in delusions, would prosecute and crucify him. But, Croatian courts and politicians remained silenced in front of "horrible" truth they faced.

They could only come up with the ad-hominem rambling that you parroting:"He was a communist-partisan in WWII, he is a WWII war criminal"

So, please, for any other issues you might have with the facts that Croatia started attacking Serbs - please refer to the addresses of Croatian courts.


As for the rest of your ustasha rambling and propaganda, here is more facts for you....

There is a fundamental historical fact one must proceed from, in order to understand these events. This fact has been the source of everything that took place on the territory of Yugoslavia since 1991 until the present day, and it is the fact that what took place is the violent destruction of a European state — Yugoslavia — which was derived from the statehood of Serbia, the only ally of the democratic world in that whole region over the past two centuries.

There can be no doubt this fundamental historic fact is going to leave an imprint on European history in the times to come.

A multi-ethnic, multi-cultural, multi-confessional state that had its historic and international legitimacy was destroyed in order to create ethnically pure mini-states in its territory, according to the diktat of Germany and Vatican, and assisted by the United States and the European Community.

…At this time, during the most critical period, Yugoslavia was presided by a representative from Croatia, Stjepan Mesić. Its Prime Minister at the time was also from Croatia, Ante Marković, as well as the Foreign Minister, also from Croatia, Budimir Lončar. In the entire top echelons of the Army, of which we could also be informed here, out of top 16 generals, only 2 were Serbs; most were Croats, Slovenians and of other ethnic backgrounds.

This state had a strong and well organized armed forces at its disposal [JNA], which could control the conflict and prevent the catastrophe altogether. However, this government allowed paramilitary formations, arms smugglers, criminals, even the narco-mafia—when we look at the end of this process in Kosovo and Metohija—to take over the terrain. But the said government acted in concert with the European Community, most notably with Germany and Vatican.

As early as the end of June 1991, European Community demanded that the legitimate armed forces must stay closed within the army barracks and refrain from any action — therefore, a voluntary transformation of a state army into a detainee in their own country. Naturally, this opened doors for the activities of the secessionists’ paramilitary formations.

…In Croatia, crimes against Serbs started even earlier, before the announcement of secession, using the same methods and in the same regions where the genocide against the Serbian nation started in 1941, by the Ustasha units in the so-called Independent State of Croatia [NDH, Hitler's ally during the WWII].

International experts who have researched genocides that took place in different times and in different parts of the world, like Leo Cooper, Peter Drost, Ted Gertz, Louis Horowitz, George Cram and the others, arrived to a conclusion that genocide against one nation can be committed only once. Every second attempt inevitably turns into a civil war. This thesis has been confirmed in Croatia.

The genocide committed against the Serbs in Croatia in 1941, started by comprising lists and inviting population in groups to submit personal data. However, instead of submitting information, Serbs were being killed or taken to concentration camps. This time around, Serbs responded by resistance to similar invitations and similar actions, feeling gravely manipulated by the politicians who, up until the day before, spoke about protecting the ideals of brotherhood and unity, and who were now calling to war in the name of nationalist ideals.

Old Ustasha formulas were resurrected within somewhat refurbished packaging, along with the Ustasha symbols, and through the hurriedly rewritten laws, Serbs have lost their status of a constitutive nation. Without any prompting from the outside, without the Belgrade support, without the protection of the army isolated in the barracks, Serbs in Krajina were prepared to risk death through the struggle, but not a new genocide.

Long before the 1991 secession, armed paramilitaries operated through Croatia, the so-called “Voluntary units of the people’s protection”, which acted within the HDZ frameworks, and under different names: “Zebra”, “Black Legion”, “Vukovar Wolves” and so on.

On May 28, a month before the secession, a military parade was organized in Zagreb. It showcased weapons received primarily from Germany. These were the psychological preparations for what was to follow. In those days, Croat paramilitary units were transfered to Bosnia, since President Tudjman had announced renewal of “Croatia down to [river] Drina”.

After a decision to withdraw the JNA troops from Croatia was reached on July 18, 1991, the armed actions by the Croat paramilitary formations turned into a frontal war. From July 20 to August 4, 75 attacks against the JNA units were recorded, 23 attacks against the Army barracks, 13 attacks against the planes, all using the most advanced weapons from NATO arsenals.

Serbian houses were being torched and individual crimes against the Serbs were replaced with mass executions. In the cornfield near the village Jankovci 65 Serbs were slaughtered. They have all been identified. In the village Svinjarevo, 25 Serbs were slaughtered, and so on. The entire villages were destroyed in the regions of Papuk and Slunj.

The most widespread form of terror against the Serbian population were forced expulsions — the strongest link between the years 1941 and 1991.

These activities begun in Western Slavonija right after the HDZ victory in the elections. A psychosis of fear was created in order to force people to move out. Various methods were being employed, like orchestrated mocking of the Serbian children in schools, arresting people and taking them to police stations, cutting off the telephone lines, mass firing of Serbs from their jobs, dynamiting of their homes…

On October 29, 1991, the Crisis Office in Slavonska Pozega issued an order on eviction of the Serbian population from 24 villages: Oblakovac, Orjača, Slatina and so on, and within the next 48 hours. The order was made public via radio stations and press. Those who refused to comply were taken to detention camps.

The first major exodus of Serbs from the regions of Podravska Slatina and Daruvar took place. From July 1991 to August 1992, 193 villages populated by Serbs were ethnically cleansed. Reliable documents regarding all of this have been submitted to the European Community.

[roxunreal]

So, it was an official trial in the court of justice in Croatia. The guy was under the oath, had he lied anything, Croatian establishment, caught in delusions, would prosecute and crucify him. But, Croatian courts and politicians remained silenced in front of "horrible" truth they faced.

I like how you love repeating the same argument over and over like the propaganda machine that you are even if I showed why it doesn't stand dozens of times.

Boljkovac was in the HDZ for a short time until he realised that his crimes against civilians in Yugoslavia might get exposed when Yugoslavia falls. He was later kicked out if the HDZ. So he later started attacking anything that was against Yugoslavia to try to justify the country for which he murdered Civilians in 1945-6. That makes him highly biased an unreliable, so you have a lot in common.

That he was in court under oath makes no difference. He can state his OPINION that Yugoslavia was under atack by the peaceful secession of Croatia, to which he has full right to. Fortunately unlike what you would like, we don't live in a totalitarian society where we would "crucify" him for saying things against the state.

here is more facts for you....

This is a nice little text you made up to avoid all the arguments in my previous post, without providing any concrete proof for the statements at all, no dates or anything that would show serbs being attacked in Croatia before the Croats were attacked by Serbs, but lots of big letters in the hope they will make it more true

Serbia, the only ally of the democratic world in that whole region over the past two centuries.

Like the dictatorship of Serb King Aleksandar in the 30's

A multi-ethnic, multi-cultural, multi-confessional state that had its historic and international legitimacy was destroyed in order to create ethnically pure mini-states in its territory, according to the diktat of Germany and Vatican, and assisted by the United States and the European Community.

Of course, everyone conspired against the poor Serbs Only the Serbs themselves were never the bad guys, everyone else in the world was.

At this time, during the most critical period, Yugoslavia was presided by a representative from Croatia, Stjepan Mesić.

You forgto to mention that Mesić should have been the president of Yugoslavia but the Serbs prevented it from happening and installed a pro-Milosevic president instead my dear liar

Presidents rotated annually according to republic-province key automatically. When Mesić's turn came to automatically become the President on May 15, 1991, the Serbian incumbent Member Borisav Jović demanded, against all constitutional rules, that an election be held. The members from Serbia and its provinces voted against, and the member from Montenegro abstained, leaving Mesić one vote short of majority. [b]Only under international pressure was he allowed to regain his presidency, but by then Croatia was already practically independent.

In the entire top echelons of the Army, of which we could also be informed here, out of top 16 generals, only 2 were Serbs; most were Croats, Slovenians and of other ethnic backgrounds.

Again lying:
In 1985 the index of representation of Montenegrans in active officer ranks compared to their percentage in the overall population of Yugoslavia was 204 (5,82%, and in overall population 2,58%), Serbs 157, Macedonians 113, Croats 63, Bosniaks 41, Slovenes 34, and Albanians 14.

Considering that Yugoslavia proclaimed itself as a union of equal peoples and ethnicities, a balanced national representation of different ethnicities within the JNA was to be expected, but it didn't happen in practice. A request for the balanced reprsentation of the Yugoslav nations in the senior ranks of the JNA and in promotion to commanding positions was accepted into the constitution in 1974. But this was not enforced before or after this amendment, so the disproportionate national structure of the officer ranks was something the JNA was commonly known for.
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Compared to the situation in 1971, in 1985 the percent of active Croat military personnel fell from 13.45% to 12.51%, and the Slovenes fell from 3.73% to 2.64%. Considering their numbers in the overall Yugoslav population, Croat numbers were lacking by one third.

Ministers of Defense in Yugoslavia

General armije Nikola Ljubičić 1967 - 1982 (Serb)
Admiral flote Branko Mamula 1982 - 1988 (Serb)
General armije Veljko Kadijević 1988 - 1992 (Serb)

If the Yugoslav Army was so under control fo the Croats, then why did it side with the Serbs in the war my dear smart guy?



The rest of your post is pure propaganda ranting with no sources provided whatsoever. It's like "let me tell you what happened" and then telling a completely one sided fabricated story where the Serbs never did anything wrong at all and everyone else, from the balkans, from europe, from america, from vatican, is to blame but the serbs who started the killings, bombings and expelling.

Croatia along with the rest of Yugoslavia decides it wants to be independent within their former federal borders, only the Serbs want Yugoslavia to stay. No one touches Serbian territory.

Croats make a new constitution in which the Serbs are granted all the rights of a protected national minority and remove their former rights as a constituent nation that they had in Yugoslavia even though there were only 12% of them in Croatia, and which in effect made one serb have as much political power as 6 to 7 Croats.

Serbs start rebelling in Croatia wanting their own country in places where they are and are not in the majority, despite having no historical claim on the lands. The 90 000 Croats in Serbia that were not ever granted the right of national minority never rise against the Serbs, never try to take their territory, never kill or expell anyone.
While Serbs proclaim their own "country" Republic of Serb Krajina within arbitrary borders on Croatian territory, and start harrassing Croats with setting up regular road blocks in what is known as the "log revolution" which was effectivelly cutting off south Croatia from the north, traffic, commerce, post, communication.

2nd May - Borovo selo massacre - committed by Serb paramilitaries of Vojislav Šešelj (open promoter of Greater Serbia as shown on this map) - 12 Croat policemen ambushed and killed, and their bodies mutilated.
The next day a police chief (Franko Lisica) in Dalmatia was killed by Serb paramilitaries (the Serbs of course have their own totally unsupported conspiracy theory that "he was killed by a Croat to incite anti Serb rage"). Because of this, anti-Serb riots happen in his home town, but not a single Serb is killed.

Soon the Serb forces start ethnically cleansing non-Serbs from the "Republic of Serb-Krajina" as admitted by the leading and most awarded Serb human rights activist Sonja Biserko in this video at 9:18
- 170 000 - 200 000 Croats and non-Serbs were exiled by Serbs from one third of Croatia by force.


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This was fueled by organized anti-Croat fear propaganda to incite hate of the Croats, as was admitted in the Hague tribunal by the Serb's president at the time, Milan Babić.

Serbs were led to believe that the Croats would massacre them like the extinct Croat fascists of WW2 did, even though Croat partisans saved the Serbs by defeating the Croat fascist traitors. But all Croats are the same to Serb nationalists of course.

By June the Serb paramilitaries backed by the Serb-controlled Yugoslav army started with military operations in Croatia, advancing on, shelling and capturing Croat settlements. As a response the Croats formed their own ill-equipped military forces, and due to the killings of Croats as well as the war in Slovenija, Croats siezed Yugoslav Army barracks in Croat cities as a precaution, and gave the Yugoslav soldiers safe passage out after they were disarmed, thus preventing an even bigger catastrophe across the whole of Croatia and not just Serb-populated areas. Soon Croat cities were bombed from the air and shelled from the sea and land by the "Yugoslav" (Serbian) army. Croats shot down two "Yugoslav" ground attack aircraft that were bombing Sibenik in September.

All of the above, including the
Dalj massacre, Lovas massacre and Široka kula massacre, as well as many less known killings on a smaller indivuidual scale, happaned before the Croats massacred anyone - more than 160 Croats were killed in massacres alone before the first Croat killing of Serbs even happened in Gospić (which was terror bombed by Serbs for 2 months before that in which many of its citizens perished). Further well known Serb massacres in Croatia are the Bacin massacre (110 killed), Bruska massacre (10), Erdut massacre (37 killed, 2500 exiled), Saborsko massacre (46 killed), Vocin massacre (32-45), Skabrnja massacre (86), and the execution of 264 patients, wounded and medical staff in Vukovar. These all happened in 1991.

Likewise, the cities of Dubrovnik, Split, Sibenik, Zadar, Gospic, Karlovac, Zagreb, Slavonski Brod, Pozega, Sisak, Osijek, Vinkovci and Vukovar were all bombed for months by serb artillery before the Croats bombed any Serb settlement. The city of Vukovar was completely destroyed, occupied, many killed and many exiled in what is the most savagely destroyed city in Europe in the last 70 years.

And let's not forget the Serb leader in Bosnia, the Radovan Karadzic who is standing trial for genocide, claiming multiple times that "In just a couple of days, Sarajevo will be gone and there will be five hundred thousand dead, in one month Muslims will be annihilated in Bosnia and Herzegovina" before the war in Bosnia even started. These threats proved true with the siege of Sarajevo that lasted 4 years and killed 12000 people including 1500 children, the Srebrenica executions that killed 8000, and numerous other massacres.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_wa ... War_crimes

Reliable documents regarding all of this have been submitted to the European Community.

But we can't see these "reilable documents" right?

[Ghinci]

Ideally all sides should have members charged for war crimes. This Serbian general maybe was a hero to his people but i think he went too far. Slaughtering people in mass is terrible.

You're right. Mladic really did great crimes. And because of that he deserves to be hanged upside down like Mussolini.

[Ghinci]

What a lie...

Yep. The worst atrocities against civilian population "in Europe since WW2" (simply you have to love this phrase) was the Croatian ethnic cleansing joint criminal enterprise under direct command of the USA (Clinton) that happened in August 1995 - in which, basically, the whole constitutive Serbian nation (a few hundred thousands) was wiped out from what is today Croatia, thousands were murdered, even poor disabled old people were savagely killed.

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[Ghinci]

Innocent until proven guilty. Neither Karadzic nor Mladic killed anyone.

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Also Hitler and Stalin killed anyone...but their soldiers did it.