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German Jews, Muslims unite to protest against circumcision ban

Reuters

5:43 p.m. CDT, September 9, 2012

BERLIN (Reuters) - Hundreds of German Jews and Muslims held a joint rally in Berlin on Sunday demanding that their "freedom of religion" be respected, in a rare show of unity to protest against a court order that banned ritual circumcisions.

The June ruling by a court in Cologne has sparked an emotive debate about religious freedom in a country which is sensitive to any accusations of intolerance because of its Nazi past.

Although the ban applied only to the Cologne region, doctors across the country have refused to carry out operations because of what they say is a risk of legal action.

Some 300 Muslim and Jewish protestors and their supporters gathered together at Berlin's Bebelplatz square, known as the site of the infamous Nazi book burning ceremony.

They waved banners reading "Foreskin? No Thank you", or "Finally, Germany is a colonial power again" against a cartoon image of a boy whose foreskin was the colors of the German flag. Some came wrapped in the Israeli flag.

"We were getting sick and tired of all the heated and incompetent gibberish on circumcisions," Lala Suesskind, the former head of Berlin's Jewish community, told Reuters.

"So today, we want to clarify a few things through our rabbi ... what circumcision really is and what circumcision means to our religion," she added.

Jewish religious practice requires boys to be circumcised from eight days old, while for Muslims, the age at which it is carried out varies according to family, country and branch of Islam.

Berlin last week became the first of Germany's 16 states to protect the practice, saying that doctors could legally circumcise infant boys for religious reasons.

The national government is working on a new law to legalize the operation across the country in order to overrule the Cologne decision.

"The German government must introduce a law which will result in circumcisions remaining exempt from punishment," said the head of Germany's Turkish community, Kenan Kolat.

"For years, we have had the abortion debate. Abortion too is a physical intervention and there too, laws have been passed which make certain acts exempt from punishment, combined with counseling. Here too, there can be counseling so that people get informed," Kolat said.

The speed with which national lawmakers agreed in July to pass a new law underscored their sensitivity to charges of intolerance and discrimination, especially against Jews because of the Holocaust perpetrated by the Nazis during World War Two.

Chancellor Angela Merkel said Germany risked becoming a "laughing stock" if Jews were not allowed to practise their rituals.

About 120,000 Jews are registered as living in Germany along with around 4 million Muslims, many of whom are from Turkey.

Ruling in the case of a Muslim boy who suffered bleeding after circumcision, the Cologne court said the practice inflicted bodily harm and should not be carried out on young boys, though could be practised on older males with consent.

(Reporting By Reuters Television; Writing by Sarah Marsh; Editing by Andrew Osborn)


I can't decide what my opinion on this issue is. What to give priority to in this case, religious rights of parents, or the inviolability of the body? Hmm.

I guess banning it will just make them go do it where it's legal...
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They're idiots. They're fighting for the right to hurt themselves.

Wtf? Merkel should issue an executive order for all supporters to be rehabilitated for masochism.
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Oh come on, you know it's not as simple as that.
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Well OK. Jews are masochistic from being persecuted so long.

Muslims are masochistic because they don't know how to enjoy themselves. They ban everything from music to fashion.

Fair enough?
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Disgusting, seeing what Germany has become. A gathering place for Middle Eastern "traditions" to openly blackmail the state with the Nazi card.

"Finally, Germany is a colonial power again" against a cartoon image of a boy whose foreskin was the colors of the German flag.

Guy who did that should be sniped in open ground.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:The whole circumcision ban is idiocy.

There are no medical reasons to ban circumcision.


Are you saying this from the perspective of a masochist who doesn't care about the infliction of pain or removal of pleasure?
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There is the whole issue of whether or not something like that should be done to a baby or kid who can't decide for him/herself yet.
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Mazhi wrote:There is the whole issue of whether or not something like that should be done to a baby or kid who can't decide for him/herself yet.


That particular argument could encompass a huge range of activities that are now the parents' decision. Why should this be any different from all the other decisions that parents make?
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Oxymoron wrote:Rei that is utterly false and misleading at best. Recent studies have proven medical benefits, not to mention ascetics. Everyone knows a cut clean dick is much appreciated by the Females. :D


Discretion, not self-deprecation, is the better part of valor.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:Unlike you, I assume that gov't has no reason to interfere unless there is a reason to do so. If not, the gov't should not intervene.

It's unethical to mutilate someone without their consent. An infant is incapable of giving consent.

All the law does is prevent parents from mutilating their infants when there is no medical necessity for it. If at 18 the individual wants to have his foreskin cut off, then that's up to him.

wat0n wrote:If letting the babies decide is a concern, then earrings should be banned or at least restricted too. They can damage the baby's ear permanently and it's not like they ask for them, after all.

Poking a tiny hole through some tissue (which will quickly grow back) isn't the same thing as permanently removing part of an individuals genitals.
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