[redcarpet]

Yes Palin's denounced his policy in public. Lol, no Cabinet Collective Responsibility likely from her. Also Trumo is flipflopping (anyone surprised?) on it already http://reverbpress.com/business/wtf-trump-backtracks-carrier-deal-says-really-didnt-mean-said-video/

More destruction; Trump calls Taiwan President. Risks Rift with China. He's breached U.S diplomatic protocol, the PRC & U.S have a 1979 agreement prohibiting this. No President nor President-elect has ever done this. The man is a fool

[Rich]

More destruction; Trump calls Taiwan President. Risks Rift with China. He's breached U.S diplomatic protocol, the PRC & U.S have a 1979 agreement prohibiting this. No President nor President-elect has ever done this. The man is a fool

Well done Donald, this is at least a small concession for his disgusting grovelling to the Pakistanis. Who the fuck do these Han imperialists think they are? Telling us who our leaders can and can't talk to. If America had any balls it would be selling Taiwan nuclear weapons.

[colliric]

More destruction; Trump calls Taiwan President. Risks Rift with China. He's breached U.S diplomatic protocol, the PRC & U.S have a 1979 agreement prohibiting this. No President nor President-elect has ever done this. The man is a fool

The Republic Of China still exists....deal with it, just like Trump is. "Taiwan" has always really been an ally of the US, they deserve to be treated with respect. The 1979 agreement pandered to anti-American anti-democratic communist ideas, frankly I'm disgusted it took this long for it to end.

Dr Sun Yat-sen was a hero, brought democracy to China. FUCK THE COMMUNIST PARTY, THEY ARE NOT THE LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT OF CHINA! Map Zedong was a bastard, and Deng Xiaoping was even worse....

Looking forward to the day the ROC flag flies again over Beijing..... The real flag of China.

Who the fuck do these Han imperialists think they are

Illegitimate bastards that put a big picture of a fat pig where a picture of "China's Answer to Abraham Lincoln" should be instead.

Trump has finally ended that stupid pandering to those bastards, thank God. I have always been a huge supporter of the Kuomintang, and if I didn't put Evita in my avatar, Sun Yatsen would be there instead.

[noemon]

BEIJING (AP) — In a break with decades long diplomatic tradition, President-elect Donald Trump spoke directly with the president of Taiwan, a move that drew an irritated response from China and looked set to cast uncertainty over U.S. policy toward Asia.

It is perhaps unprecedented for a U.S. president or president-elect to speak directly with a leader of Taiwan, a self-governing island the U.S. broke diplomatic ties with in 1979.

In first comments apparently meant to downplay the significance of the call, Chinese Foreign Minister Wang Yi said Saturday that the contact between Taiwan's president and Trump was "just a small trick by Taiwan" that he believed would not change U.S. policy toward China, according to Hong Kong's Phoenix TV.


"The one-China policy is the cornerstone of the healthy development of China-U.S. relations and we hope this political foundation will not be interfered with or damaged," Wang was quoted as saying.

Washington has pursued a so-called "one China" policy since 1979, when it shifted diplomatic recognition of China from the government in Taiwan to the communist government on the mainland. Under that policy, the U.S. recognizes Beijing as representing China but retains unofficial ties with Taiwan.

A statement from Trump's transition team said he spoke Friday with Taiwanese President Tsai Ing-wen, who offered her congratulations on his election win.

Trump tweeted later that Tsai "CALLED ME." He also groused about the reaction to the call: "Interesting how the U.S. sells Taiwan billions of dollars of military equipment but I should not accept a congratulatory call."

The Taiwanese presidential office said Trump and Tsai discussed issues affecting Asia and the future of U.S. relations with Taiwan.

"The (Taiwanese) president is looking forward to strengthening bilateral interactions and contacts as well as setting up closer cooperative relations," the statement said.

Tsai also told Trump that she hoped the U.S. would support Taiwan in its participation in international affairs, the office said, in an apparent reference to China's efforts to isolate Taiwan from global institutions such as the United Nations.

It said the two also discussed "promoting domestic economic development and strengthening national defense" to improve the lives of ordinary people.

Taiwan's presidential office spokesman Alex Huang said separately that Taiwan's relations with China and "healthy" Taiwan-U.S. relations can proceed in parallel. "There is no conflict (in that)," he told reporters in Taipei.

The White House learned of the conversation after it had taken place, said a senior Obama administration official, who requested anonymity because of the sensitive diplomatic relations involved.

China's embassy in Washington and its foreign ministry and Taiwan Affairs Office in Beijing did not respond to requests for comment.


Friday's call is the starkest example yet of how Trump has flouted diplomatic conventions since he won the Nov. 8 election. He has apparently undertaken calls with foreign leaders without guidance customarily lent by the State Department, which oversees U.S. diplomacy.

"President-elect Trump is just shooting from the hip, trying to take phone calls of congratulatory messages from leaders around the world without consideration for the implications," said Bonnie Glaser, senior adviser for Asia at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

Glaser said such a call was "completely unprecedented" or at least has never been known publicly. China is likely to be trying to identify whether this signals any intent on the part of Trump to alter long-standing U.S. policy toward Taiwan, Glaser said.

"They will hope that this is a misstep, but I think privately, they will definitely seek to educate this incoming president and ensure that he understands the sensitivity of Taiwan," she said.

In particular, China would want to highlight to the incoming administration the risks involved in any form of signal from the United States that it supports strengthening a relationship with Taiwan under a president that Beijing views as pro-independence, Glaser added.

Last month, Trump had a call with Chinese President Xi Jinping during which Trump's office described him as saying he believed the two would have "one of the strongest relationships for both countries."

Despite China's muted response Saturday, concern about Trump's policy toward China is growing, said Shi Yinhong of Renmin University in Beijing, one of China's best-known international relations scholars.

"In the mind of Chinese leaders, concerns are mounting about U.S. policy toward China" under Trump's administration, Shi said.

Tsai was elected in January and took office in May. The traditional independence-leaning policies of her party have strained relations with Beijing.

The call with Trump could "convince people in Taiwan that the island can establish good relations with the U.S. and encourage (Tsai) to continue to resist pressure from Beijing," Shi said.

Over the decades, the status of Taiwan has been one of the most sensitive issues in U.S.-China relations. China regards Taiwan as part of its territory to be retaken by force, if necessary, if it seeks independence. It would regard any recognition of a Taiwanese leader as a head of state as unacceptable.

Taiwan split from the Chinese mainland amid civil war in 1949. The U.S. policy acknowledges the Chinese view over sovereignty, but considers Taiwan's status as unsettled. The U.S. has legal commitments to help Taiwan maintain the ability to defend itself.

Taiwan's official Central News Agency said Edwin Feulner, former president of the Heritage Foundation, a Washington-based conservative think tank, was a "crucial figure" in setting up communication channels between the sides, leading to the call. Feulner could not immediately be reached to comment on the report, which cited anonymous sources.

Feulner had met with Tsai in October when he led a delegation from the think tank on a trip to Taiwan, according to a release at the time from Taiwan's presidential office. That release says Tsai called Feulner a "longtime friend to Taiwan" and conveyed her gratitude to his foundation for its support.

Ned Price, a spokesman for the White House National Security Council, said Trump's conversation does not signal any change to long-standing U.S. policy on cross-strait issues.

In Beijing, a U.S. business group said it expected the new U.S. administration to respect the status quo.

"American business operating in Asia needs certainty and stability," said James Zimmerman, chairman of the American Chamber of Commerce in China. "The new administration needs to get up to speed quickly on the historical tensions and complex dynamics of the region."

[Patrickov]

Maybe an unpredictable mad man like Trump is exactly what the Chinese Communists cannot handle. Surprise!

[Igor Antunov]

He didn't call, Taiwanese president called him. And this is 10x further down the ladder than Obama meeting with the Dalai lama in person.

Clinton: we will shoot russian planes down - Puppet media: "Wow she strong threatening ww3 she such stronk candidate"

Trump: Picks up phone - Puppet media: "ho noes the end is nigh'

[Albert]

Looks like Trump is setting the tone with the Chinese. Basically showing he means business and will be aggressive towards them. I think this has a lot to do with Chinese criticism towards Trump and his ambition to renegotiate trade deals with them. They strongly voiced their opposition towards Trump's agenda at Luma economic summit.

Trumps argument is that Chinese currency peg crates unfair trade, where US loses out in such balance. So either Chinese will float their currency or Trump threatened to slap tariffs on Chinese goods, to counter-balance Chinese economic practices that are hurting the US industry and economy.

So I have to say, good for Trump showing the Chinese not to mess with the USA.

http://www.investopedia.com/articles/fo ... pegged.asp

Also:

[Igor Antunov]

He is showing he means realism. No more MSM-style pretenses. What a breath of fresh air.

[noemon]

Igor you are a bit hilarious, you have to admit.

[Igor Antunov]

Obama sells $1.8 billion of fighter jets to Taiwan - media: obama an hero

Trump picks up phone - media: the end times!

So who is hilarious again? That's right, the MSM.

[noemon]

The MSM being hilarious which is probably true does not not preclude you from being hilarious also.

How do you go from Chinese apologist( .ie only yesterday you wrote, "praise be to my Chinese overlords") to praising escalating US-China antagonism?

[colliric]

The MSM being hilarious which is probably true does not not preclude you from being hilarious also.

How do you go from Chinese apologist( .ie only yesterday you wrote, "praise be to my Chinese overlords") to praising escalating US-China antagonism?

We are allowed to dream that the legitimate non-communist democratic government of China be again formally recognized. The Chinese people and the illegitimate communist government are not one and the same.

As an anti-communist country, the USA should be supporting the anti-communist cause openly, and also supporting those that defend Democratic processes. Why the fuck they ever supported the "One China" Communist bastardization is beyond me.

Kuomintang Forever!!!

[noemon]

You are not Igor, so "we" does not apply. Igor loves the PRC.

[LV-GUCCI-PRADA-FLEX]

Any intent that any person retroactively assigns to this is foolish. It's very clear he just had no idea that presidents were not supposed to do that. You can call it a good thing if you want, but intentional it wasn't. I expect more inept blunders preceding apologism going forward.

[Hong Wu]

Yeah, it doesn't seem likely that Trump understood the treaty calls for defending Taiwan but not talking to them in certain ways. It's actually a very weird agreement.

[Potemkin]

Why the fuck they ever supported the "One China" Communist bastardization is beyond me.

That's an easy one - the Cold War. Isolating and defeating Soviet Union was more important than anything else during the Cold War. And if you think that America actually cares a rat's ass about democracy in China, or even in America, then you're sadly deluded. America wasn't making the world safe for democracy, it was making it safe for America. This is still the case even now.

[Rugoz]

Ha, I agree with the pussy grabbing con man.

Trumps argument is that Chinese currency peg crates unfair trade, where US loses out in such balance. So either Chinese will float their currency or Trump threatened to slap tariffs on Chinese goods, to counter-balance Chinese economic practices that are hurting the US industry and economy.

Nonsense. China has been propping up its currency in the past 2 years or so, which is actually good for US exporters. Just look at China's foreign exchange reserves.

[One Degree]

I love the way Trump, with small symbolic acts, exposes the absurdities of our world.

[LV-GUCCI-PRADA-FLEX]

Be careful what you wish for. If you start exposing too many absurdities then the whole system falls apart. The most absurd thing of all is American supremacy, not the various small concessions we have to make to sustain it. It is a relatively small concession after all.

If we don't honor our side of the agreement then maybe China looks at Hong Kong and Taiwan and starts to wonder why they allow them to exist in the first place. I mean that's pretty absurd from their perspective.

[One Degree]

If we don't honor our side of the agreement then maybe China looks at Hong Kong and Taiwan and starts to wonder why they allow them to exist in the first place. I mean that's pretty absurd from their perspective.

I believe it is just another absurdity to believe they will not do this very thing. Their actions in the Asia Pacific clearly demonstrate their testing if this is the right moment to proceed. Obama's foreign policy provided this opening. Trump being elected has postponed it. Idealism versus reality. Ideally, the US wants world peace at any cost. In the real world, this provides an opportunity for expansion by other countries. It seems only a strong US military stance prevents others from expansion, thus creating a hostile world. It is a totally sad state of affairs.
Edit: The US foreign policy has always been short ranged. It fails because countries like China have long range goals and patiently wait for opportunities.