[noir]

It was noir who was calling them left but strangely you didn't feel that noir was wrong but Decky somehow was even though you believe this now.

What? Tory is left? I said the Young Liberals were New Left. What Tory or Eden have to do with Left?

[Decky]

Sweet Jesus....

[fuser]

Oh, God. Its hopeless, seriously Why do I even bother. I am out of this discussion, its just too ridiculous now not that it wasn't from start.

[B0ycey]

:lol:

I am of course famously nationalistic as are all British republicans. My desire to see Scotland, Wales, Cornwall and the English Midlands free of London rule as well as occupied Ireland returned to the republic show that.

Regardless whether you want an independent Midlands is irrelevant. It is still a nationalistic ideology, it's just smaller Midlands nationalistic ideology rather than a larger UK nationalitic ideology. The fact you refered to Scotland as Freeloaders and that you wanted the rest of the UK to have a referendum to rid them from the UK is actually more similar to the Alt-Right ideology of protectionism than you will ever care to admit.

[Decky]

Oh, God. Its hopeless, seriously Why do I even bother. I am out of this discussion, its just too ridiculous now not that it wasn't from start.

At least you tried Fuser and to be fair to Noir English is obviously not his first language so it isn't as if it is entirely his fault. Boycey on the other hand has no excuse.

The fact you refered to Scotland as Freeloaders and that you wanted the rest of the UK to have a referendum to rid them from the UK is actually more similar to the Alt-Right ideology of protectionism than you will ever care to admit.

For fucks sake... Protectionism is left wing. The right believe in free trade.

[Potemkin]

"Who knew that British politics could be so complicated?" - Donald Trump.

[anasawad]

Why nationalism is right wing ? the difference between right and left wing is the policies supported and support base behind it, not whether it was nationalistic or not.
Stalin hemself inclined nationalism in his reign. He was left wing.

[B0ycey]

At least you tried Fuser and to be fair to Noir English is obviously not his first language so it isn't as if it is entirely his fault. Boycey on the other hand has no excuse.

At no point did Fuser quote me. In fact he kept repeating things I never said.

For fucks sake... Protectionism is left wing. The right believe in free trade.

So alt-right is left wing?

[noir]

At least you tried Fuser and to be fair to Noir English is obviously not his first language so it isn't as if it is entirely his fault. Boycey on the other hand has no excuse.

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But when did I say that the Tory or Eden were Left?

[Decky]

They steal lots of left wing policies to become more poplar with working class people Boycey just like the Nazis did and just like the Nazis if they ever take power they will immediately drop all the left wing policies and never implement them. Have you actually read the 25 points of the Nazis party? Loads of stuff they stole from the left there and then the second they got into power they dropped all that and focused on killing Jews and declaring war on the rest of the developed world instead.

But when did I say that the Tory or Eden were Left?

[Potemkin]

So alt-right is left wing?

Some of their ideas are left-wing, certainly, just as some of Mussolini's ideas were left-wing. The crucial point is that they are opposed to the working classes actually having any political power, and they want to maintain the capitalist mode of production (and, indeed, save it from collapse). These latter points is why we call them the alt-right.

[anasawad]

I think the confusion in this matter comes from the fact that the Alt-right isn't actually far right, its alternative right which is why they mix a number of policies from the left, and thus created- unintentionally- a confusion about left wing policies being right wing policies when its not.

The NAZI party was center right and authoritarian not far right as well.
Far right would be like Saudi Arabia or ultra capitalist minimal government system.
Which is funny, because libertarian ideology actually fits with the far right in administration rather than the left.

[B0ycey]

They steal lots of left wing policies to become more poplar with working class people Boycey just like the Nazis did and just like the Nazis if they ever take power they will immediately drop all the left wing policies and never implement them. Have you actually read the 25 points of the Nazis party? Loads of stuff they stole from the left there and then the second they got into power they dropped all that and focused on killing Jews and declaring war on the rest of the developed world instead.

I actually agree with what you have written here. Apart from your understand of left of course. But we will never agree on that. But, and this is more towards fuser, it just means that your ideology resembles the Alt-right more than my Centrists ideology. However, you have more socialist ideology than the alt-right so I would never claim you are alt-right.

[Decky]

The Nazis remind me of Blair in a lot of ways. Got votes from both the left wing and the right by promising things to both sides and then once in power just did the right wing stuff and told the left to go fuck themselves.

[B0ycey]

The Nazis remind me of Blair in a lot of ways. Got votes from both the left wing and the right by promising things to both sides and then once in power just did the right wing stuff and told the left to go fuck themselves.

Again I agree. However he turned more eccentric once he became a poodle for Bush. If he had some balls, he wouldn't have been too bad (IMO, obviously not yours).

[noir]

At no point did Fuser quote me. In fact he kept repeating things I never said.

Same with me. I thought something wrong with me.

[noir]

Germany axe attack: Duesseldorf train station sealed off

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39225847

[Frollein]

"These people are more valuable than gold!" Martin Schulz, (SPD)

"If we can't present a friendly face, then this is no longer my country." Angela Merkel (CDU)

[noir]

Said to be non Muslim

[QatzelOk]

The whole argument about what "leftwing politics" means was a complete waste of pixels and mental energy.

Words like "left" are just that - words.

Sure, the word "left" was employed for a century or so to describe the (at the time) unconventional idea that workers deserved to rule somewhat. "Uncoventional" is all "leftwing" meant before that.

Today the real leftwing parties (Socialiste in France, Labor in Angleterre) aren't really left at all. They just wear leftwing slogans.

And often it has been the most reactionary elements of a society - those who don't respect anything except their own accumulations of money - who have supported mass immigration.

In Canada, historically, immigration was used to cheapen the price of labor, destroy local cultures that protected the environment, and force newbees into doing horrendous inhuman jobs.

Is this leftwing?

And while Marine LePen is rightwing, she actually supports the independence and nationality of Algeria and Libya - something that great leftist Obama-Hillary and friends didn't at all.