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The Washington Post wrote:Trump weighing military options following chemical weapons attack in Syria

By Dan Lamothe, Missy Ryan and Thomas Gibbons-Neff April 6 at 4:39 PM

The Trump administration is weighing military retaliation against the Syrian government following a chemical attack Tuesday that killed scores of civilians, but it is complicated by the presence of Russian forces in the country and concerns about U.S. troops deployed in Syria in the campaign against the Islamic State, according to U.S. officials.

The Pentagon is in the process of presenting options to the White House on potential military responses, which could include strikes on Syrian military targets and actions designed to ground the Syrian air force.

Senior White House officials met on the topic Wednesday evening in a session that lasted into early Thursday, and Defense Secretary Jim Mattis, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Army Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster, the national security adviser, have communicated repeatedly about the issue since Tuesday’s attack, the officials said.

The Joint Chiefs of Staff were expected to meet early Thursday evening to discuss potential strike options, one military official said. One of the most likely is Tomahawk missiles launched from Navy ships in the Mediterranean Sea.

Some officials urged immediate action, warning against what one described as “paralysis through analysis.” But others were concerned about second- and third-order effects, including the response of Russia, which also has installed sophisticated air-defense systems in Syria, according to the officials, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.

Mattis called the attack a “heinous act” that would be “treated as such,” and President Trump suggested that he was deeply affected by the sight of the children and “beautiful babies” who were killed.

“That crosses many, many lines,” Trump said. “Beyond a red line — many, many lines.”

Tillerson on Thursday did not rule out military options to respond to an attack that he said violates international agreements and norms. He also suggested that the United States and other nations would consider somehow removing Syrian President Bashar al-Assad from power, but he did not say how.

“We are considering an appropriate response for this chemical weapons attack,” Tillerson said in Palm Beach, Fla., where Trump will meet Thursday and Friday with Chinese President Xi Jinping.

“It is a serious matter. It requires a serious response,” Tillerson said.

Asked about the future of the Syrian strongman, who has withstood a multifaceted war now in its seventh year, Tillerson appeared to change tack from earlier Trump administration statements about Assad.

“Assad’s role in the future is uncertain, clearly,” Tillerson told reporters. “With the action he’s taken, it would seem there would be no role for him to govern the Syrian people.”

Asked whether the Trump administration would lead a coalition to remove Assad, Tillerson replied, “Those steps are underway.”

It was not immediately clear what he meant, either about a coalition or about removing a foreign leader. He suggested, however, that he was speaking about a long process and not some sudden military move.


“The process by which Assad would leave is something that I think requires an international community effort,” Tillerson said, “to both first defeat ISIS within Syria to stabilize the Syrian country, to avoid further civil war, then work collectively with our partners around the world on political protests that would lead to Assad leaving.”

Tillerson said last week that Assad’s political future was a matter for the Syrian people to decide, and U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley said that defeating the Islamic State was the higher priority.

The Obama administration had insisted that Assad could never remain in any postwar Syria, and it supported rebel groups that have tried unsuccessfully to oust him.

Also Thursday, a senior State Department official said Tillerson spoke on the phone Wednesday with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov about the chemical attack on civilians in Syria.

“We sought the Russian analysis or readout of what they thought had happened,” the official said.

The United States has a broad arsenal already in the region, should Trump decide to attack
, including dozens of strike aircraft on the USS George H.W. Bush, an aircraft carrier that is deployed to the Middle East and accompanied by guided-missile destroyers and cruisers that can also launch Tomahawk cruise missiles.

Additionally, an amphibious naval force in the region that includes the 24th Marine Expeditionary Unit could muster Harrier jets and Cobra gunships. The Pentagon also has scores of aircraft in the region flying operations every day against the Islamic State group, including from Incirlik air base to the north in Turkey.

The U.S. Central Command has had plans for striking the Syrian government for years, but those plans would potentially need to be tailored to the precise goals of a strike in response to the chemical attack.

Officials said one consideration in examining a possible response is the presence of hundreds of American troops within Syria. Officials said there were measures in place to protect those troops but declined to give details.

U.S. aircraft also would have to contend with a modest web of Syrian air defenses and potentially more advanced types of surface-to-air missiles provided by Russia. One of Assad’s more prevalent systems, the S-200, was used to target Israeli jets last month, but missiles were intercepted by Israeli defense systems. The S-200 has a range of roughly 186 miles, according to U.S. military documents, and can hit targets flying at altitudes of around 130,000 feet.

Russian S-300 and S-400 missiles, located primarily around Khmeimim air base in western Syria, have a shorter range than the S-200, but have more-advanced radar systems and fly considerably faster than their older counterparts used by Syrian forces. The S-300 has a range of roughly 90 miles and could also be used to target incoming U.S. cruise missiles.

Sen. John McCain (R.-Ariz.), chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said in an interview Thursday that he and Trump have discussed Syria in the past few days, but he said the president did not talk in particular about military options.

McCain, who has long backed a more aggressive response to the Assad government, laid out a short list of goals if the United States strikes.

“Take out his air assets. No airplane should fly. No more barrel bombs. No more sarin gas,” the senator said.

McCain said he was glad to see Trump’s position on striking Assad changing.

“I know that he was deeply moved, as we all were, at the spectacle of this slaughter,” McCain said.

David Nakamura in Palm Beach, Fla., and Anne Gearan, Carol Morello and David Weigel in Washington contributed to this report.

The scene is set for a war, I wonder if Trump's just bluffing or he really means Assad has to go. Rex Tillerson seems really careworn and worried like he didn't manage to broker a compromise.
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If Trump is caving on this in order to diffuse the Russian buddy narrative I'm going to be really disappointed. That narrative was so bad it was an asset to him and now he's going to become a minion for the military-industrial(-oil pipeline?) complex like so many before him? Feels bad, man.

Edit: All of a sudden, CNN appears to like Trump :hmm:
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This will work out great for Trump.

- He'll get a war, which always boosts approval rating for US Presidents. His approval rating of 35% is a record low for a new POTUS.
- He'll get to spend that money he just put into the military and wars are always great ways to create new jobs, with a high turnover.
- NATO won't follow him into an illegal war, so NATO will disband.
- His friends at Exxon will make profit$$$ once they get the oilfields and can run pipelines thru Syria.
- Trump looks tough to his gay lover Putin, and gets to be top for a change.
- Trump cultists get to masturbate about how their POTUS is best ever, and is the biggliest.
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ingliz wrote:If the 'White Helmets' were tending the victims minutes after a Sarin attack, as shown, without NBC suits and respirators, they would all be dead or permanently disabled.


Indeed. They're a propaganda outfit to serve Western imperialism. Apparently they only operate in "rebel"-held areas. Syrians who were interviewed after the liberation of Aleppo said they'd never heard of them.



Protest in Union Square today.
Protests nationwide: http://www.answercoalition.org/protests ... r_on_syria
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mikema63 wrote:Its a little off topic to bring up regardless of whether or not you think it's a conspiracy. Unless you are going to say that the kremilin trolls are staging photos while really being Hillary bot terrorists or something.

This whole thread is devolving into wild speculation imo. Someone used chemical weapons and the options are either the guy who already has used chemical weapons, or apparently a conspiracy of Western power secretly shipping in chemical weapons to the rebels ($HILLARY!!) Which would involve a couple hundred to a thousand complicit people all keeping silent about it. Just to try and invite someone as unpredictable as trump into getting directly involved in Syria escalating problems with Russia and serving no benefit to the united States.

An article from the daily mail that cites Infowars.com, despite the impeccable journalistic reputation of both, somehow leaves me unconvinced.


exactly its fake forum fodder
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US investigates possible Russia role in Syria chemical attack

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/04/07/world ... mp-russia/

(CNN)The US is investigating whether Russia was involved in the chemical attack in Syria that prompted President Donald Trump to launch the first direct military assault against the Assad regime.

The Pentagon is looking for any evidence that the Russian government knew about or was complicit in the attack in Idlib province that killed at least 80 people and injured dozens more, a senior US defense official said.


They are completely crazy. Why is there so many idiots in the American government?
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