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Reuters wrote:U.S. dismisses Russian assertion rebels to blame for Syria gas attack

Wed Apr 5, 2017 12:57pm EDT

Image A crater is seen at the site of an airstrike, after what rescue workers described as a suspected gas attack in the town of Khan Sheikhoun in rebel-held Idlib, Syria April 4, 2017. REUTERS/Ammar Abdullah

By Maria Tsvetkova and Tom Perry

MOSCOW/BEIRUT (Reuters) - Russia denied on Wednesday that Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was to blame for a poison gas attack and said it would continue to back him, widening a rift between the Kremlin and Donald Trump's White House, which initially sought warmer ties.

Western countries, including the United States, blamed Assad's armed forces for the worst chemical attack in Syria for more than four years, which choked scores of people to death in the town of Khan Sheikhoun in a rebel-held area on Tuesday.

U.S. intelligence officials, based on a preliminary assessment, think the deaths were most likely caused by sarin nerve gas dropped by Syrian aircraft. But Moscow offered an alternative explanation that would shield Assad: that the poison gas belonged to rebels and had leaked from an insurgent weapons depot hit by Syrian bombs.

A senior White House official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said the Russian explanation was not credible. "We don't believe it," the official said.

The United States, Britain and France have proposed a draft U.N. Security Council resolution that would pin the blame on Damascus. But the Russian Foreign Ministry called the resolution "unacceptable" and said it was based on "fake information".

The U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Nikki Haley issued what appeared to be a threat of unilateral action if Security Council members could not agree.

"When the United Nations consistently fails in its duty to act collectively, there are times in the life of states that we are compelled to take our own action," Nikki Haley told the Security Council, without elaborating.

Trump described the attack as "horrible" and "unspeakable" and called it a "terrible affront to humanity". Asked whether he was formulating a new policy toward Syria, Trump told reporters: "You'll see."


Video uploaded to social media showed civilians sprawled on the ground, some in convulsions, others lifeless. Rescue workers hose down the limp bodies of small children, trying to wash away chemicals. People wail and pound on the chests of victims.

The charity Medecins Sans Frontieres said one of its hospitals in Syria had treated patients "with symptoms - dilated pupils, muscle spasms, involuntary defecation - consistent with exposure to neuro-toxic agents such as sarin". The World Health Organization also said the symptoms were consistent with exposure to a nerve agent.

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said the attack had killed more than 100 people. That death toll could not be independently confirmed.

"We're talking about war crimes," French U.N. Ambassador Francois Delattre told reporters in New York.

Hasan Haj Ali, commander of the Free Idlib Army rebel group, called the Russian statement blaming the rebels a "lie" and said rebels did not have the capability to produce nerve gas.

"Everyone saw the plane while it was bombing with gas," he told Reuters from northwestern Syria. "Likewise, all the civilians in the area know that there are no military positions there, or places for the manufacture (of weapons)."

The incident is the first time Washington has accused Assad of using sarin since 2013, when hundreds of people died in an attack on a Damascus suburb. At that time, Washington said Assad had crossed a "red line" set by then-President Barack Obama.

Obama threatened an air campaign to topple Assad but called it off at the last minute after the Syrian leader agreed to give up his chemical arsenal under a deal brokered by Moscow, a decision which Trump has long said proved Obama's weakness.

SAME DILEMMA

The new incident means Trump is faced with same dilemma that faced his predecessor: whether to openly challenge Moscow and risk deep involvement in a Middle East war by seeking to punish Assad for using banned weapons, or compromise and accept the Syrian leader remaining in power at the risk of looking weak.

Trump described Tuesday's incident as "heinous actions by the Bashar al-Assad regime" and faulted Obama for having failed to enforce the red line four years ago. Obama's spokesman declined to comment.

The draft U.N. Security Council statement condemns the attack and demands an investigation. Russia has the power to veto it, which it has done to block all previous resolutions that would harm Assad, most recently in February.

France's foreign minister said the chemical attack showed Assad was testing whether the new U.S. administration would stand by Obama-era demands that he be removed from power.

"It's a test. That's why France repeats the messages, notably to the Americans, to clarify their position," Jean-Marc Ayrault told RTL radio. "I told them that we need clarity. What's your position?"

Trump's response to a diplomatic confrontation with Moscow will be closely watched at home because of accusations by his political opponents that he is too supportive of Russian President Vladimir Putin.


His relationship with Russia has deteriorated since the presidential election campaign, when candidate Trump praised Putin as a strong leader and vowed to improve relations between the two countries, including a more coordinated effort to defeat Islamic State in Syria.

He has previously said the United States and Russia should work more closely in Syria to fight against Islamic State.

But as Russia has grown more assertive, including interfering in European politics and deploying missiles in Kaliningrad and a new ground-launched cruise missile near Volgograd in southern Russia -- an apparent violation of the 1987 Intermediate Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty -- relations have cooled, U.S. officials have said.

The chemical attack in Idlib province, one of the last major strongholds of rebels that have fought since 2011 to topple Assad, complicates diplomatic efforts to end a war that has killed hundreds of thousands of people and driven half of Syrians from their homes.

Over the past several months Western countries, including the United States, had been quietly dropping their demands that Assad leave power in any deal to end the war, accepting that the rebels no longer had the capability to topple him by force.

The use of banned chemical weapons would make it harder for the international community to sign off on any peace deal that does not remove him.

British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson, who two months ago shifted his country's policy by saying Assad could be allowed to run for re-election, said on Wednesday that he must go.

"This is a barbaric regime that has made it impossible for us to imagine them continuing to be an authority over the people of Syria after this conflict is over."

(Additional reporting by Michelle Nichols at the United Nations; writing by Peter Graff and Philippa Fletcher; editing by Sonya Hepinstall)

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Brothers in nationalism! :lol:
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With all the gains the Syrian govt and its allies were making recently, it makes absolute sense that the government would pick this time to use chemical weapons on its own people.

Just like the time it happened in Ghouta, when it turned out to be "rebels" using chemical weapons on Syrians that Hillary had shipped over from Libya to Syria, after she spearheaded the destruction of that country.

Fuck this noise.
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skinster wrote:it makes absolute sense that the government would pick this time to use chemical weapons on its own people.


Explain what is the use of Assad's chemical weapons today? I see in this political disadvantages (obvious) and military disadvantages (chemical weapons are much less effective than usual). Why should Assad deliberately use chemical weapons?
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On 30 May, Turkish newspapers reported that Turkish security forces had arrested al-Nusra fighters in the southern provinces of Mersin and Adana near the Syrian border and confiscated 2 kg of sarin gas.[270][271][272] The governor of Adana claimed that the security forces had not found sarin gas but unknown chemicals, without offering further elaboration.[273] The Turkish Ambassador to Moscow later said that tests showed the chemical seized was anti-freeze, not sarin.[274] In September six of those arrested in May were charged with attempting to acquire chemicals which could be used to produce sarin; the indictment said that it was "possible to produce sarin gas by combining the materials in proper conditions."[275] The indictment said that "The suspects have pleaded not guilty saying that they had not been aware the materials they had tried to obtain could have been used to make sarin gas. Suspects have been consistently providing conflicting and incoherent facts on this matter." The suspects were said to be linked to al-Nusra and to Ahrar ash-Sham.[276][277]


The attack caused the deaths of at least 10 children and 60 adults. The Russian defense ministry claimed that a Syrian airstrike hit "workshops, which produced chemical warfare munitions" in the eastern outskirts of Khan Sheikhoun. It said that "terrorists" had been transporting the chemical munitions from its largest arsenal to Iraq. Khan Sheikhoun is dominated by the al-Qaeda affiliated al-Nusra Front, from which 2 kg of sarin gas was confiscated by Turkish security forces.

The Syrian Air Force has destroyed a warehouse in Idlib province where chemical weapons were being produced and stockpiled before being shipped to Iraq, Russia’s Defense Ministry spokesman said.

The strike, which was launched midday Tuesday, targeted a major rebel ammunition depot east of the town of Khan Sheikhoun, Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Major-General Igor Konashenkov said in a statement.

The warehouse was used to both produce and store shells containing toxic gas, Konashenkov said. The shells were delivered to Iraq and repeatedly used there, he added, pointing out that both Iraq and international organizations have confirmed the use of such weapons by militants.
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I like this wildly zigzagging American foreign politics - Putin friend, Putin enemy, hey, tomorrow they'll best buddies again... or not. It makes life on this planet so damn interesting!

Here's hoping they bomb North Korea and start that great Sino-American war I had been referencing in my sci fi story - it'd be so nice if I turned out to be a prophet.
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Well, that's not true, because they gave up their weapons as John Kerry confirmed and there at this stage is no evidence to prove the Syrian army are responsible for the chemical attack upon their own people.

Still, Syria should defend itself against Israel, especially considering Israel is illegally occupying some of Syria's territory and also because Israel has been attacking Syria recently like here when it was attacking SAA forces as they were trying to fight off ISIS and also because Israel has been providing medical support to the so-called rebels who they treated in their field hospitals in the occupied Golan Heights and subsequently sent back to fight war with the Syrian army. Israel has a lot to do with what's going on in Syria right now and Syria has every right to defend itself from this aggressor. :)
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noir wrote:The Syrians stockpiled this weapon for Israel and today they are using it on themselves.


And the Syrians specifically waited for the day when the US President announced that the displacement of Assad was no longer the main goal. And as soon as the US President announced that Assad can stay in power so far - so immediately Syria did everything possible to Trump changed his mind. Well, no way Assad does not want the US to leave him alone!
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Ter wrote:I am sure Noir meant to say:
The Syrians stockpiled this weapon to be used against Israel but today they are using it against themselves.


Of course. The Israeli public opinion is split. The secular, the left, the center and the naive who always take on face value everything they watch on telly are sympathetic, they don't remember what the Syrian soldiers did to Israeli captives in 1973 Yom Kippur war, whereas the religious and the hard right who have no TV can't express direct satisfaction so they always put this verse from the bible


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The bottom line is that whoever did it, the US needs to keep ground troops out of this Syria civil war. Muslims have murdered each other for centuries, and that isn't expected to stop anytime soon. We don't want American lives taken with them.

I like Trump, but if he gets us involved in this with ground troops, he is a one term president for sure.

ISIS is different, they threaten the world with terrorism and need to be eradicated. The Syrians threaten nobody else but themselves. We can handle ISIS with smarter and more vigorous air attacks, and then let other Muslims in the region do the rest...and straighten out their other problems however they wish to do it,
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