[Suntzu]

:roll: You think it strikes fears in the minds of people who are radicalized to that extent that they are willing to die for it? You're more delusional than they are.

Wrap it in bacon!

[Nonsense]

Then let them to kill one another until no one left, the problem is they are looking for refuge in welfare states and not in their own sphere.

There is a 'solution' to the above, send the 'welfare' claimants back, whether it be 'economic' migrants, 'asylum-seekers', 'refugees', 'illegals', students', ect', then sell more weapons to the states from whence they came, they will eventually, sooner or later, end up killing each other.
The more that they kill each other, the more 'happy' they should be, because they would have more space & more resources per capita.

[Beren]

Please don't turn this cool thread about a cool deadly weapon with a cool name into the usual gayness that dominates this forum and real-world politics anyways.

[noir]

The more that they kill each other, the more 'happy' they should be, because they would have more space & more resources per capita.

Depopulation

[fuser]

Everytime I see this thread somehow I remember Freud.

[Rich]

As ever I council moderation and compromise. These Jihadists say they love death, lets be kind and give them what they want.

I don't see what the big fuss about this bomb is. However our strategy in Afghanistan is total shit. First Northern Afghanistan and Kabul need to be utterly cleansed of Pashtun terrorists and all that collaborate with them in any way. This should be done by indigenous forces that can communicate with Taliban sympathisers in the language that they can understand. We should not have combat troops in Afghanistan, we should provide air cover and other support to our Northern allies. South and East Afghanistan needs to be split off and combined with the Pashtun areas of Pakistan. We might then be able to find some Pashtun nationalist forces that are slightly more moderate than the Taliban.

Both Pakistan and Saudi Arabia need to be broken up.

[Suntzu]

Yep.

[Beren]

I always enjoy when random people come up with a definite strategy from a comfy chair at home like @Rich does. However, the Donald doesn't seem to have any strategy at all, so maybe you could be his counsellor.

Yep.

Because of Suntzu's great post I had to submit this post twice.

[Suntzu]

Killin' Muslims is not a strategy?

[Beren]

Killin' Muslims is not a strategy?

How is it supposed to be a strategy?

'Hey boss, we have a huge bomb we've never used. Maybe we should test it!'

'Sure, I hope it kills lots of Muslims, and then we have a strategy!'

[Suntzu]

It worked at Hiroshima.

[Beren]

It worked at Hiroshima.

How did it work at Hiroshima? The U.S. had a clear strategy and Japan was defeated before Hiroshima. They just tested a huge bomb in Hiroshima as well.

[Suntzu]

Yep, they had a strategy, an invasion that would have killed millions on both sides.

[Beren]

Yep, they had a strategy, an invasion that would have killed millions on both sides.

The A-bomb wasn't part of the strategy like MOAB is no part of any strategy. Japan was collapsing anyways, and the Soviets joined too, which counted more than the bomb because the Japanese establishment didn't want any Soviet rule in Japan. It was just a matter of time whether when Japan capitulates, no invasion would have been needed.

[Suntzu]

For you enlightment:

"Operation Downfall was the codename for the proposed Allied plan for the invasion of Japan near the end of World War II. The planned operation was abandoned when Japan surrendered following the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the Soviet declaration of war. The operation had two parts: Operations Olympic and Coronet. Set to begin in November 1945, Operation Olympic was intended to capture the southern third of the southernmost main Japanese island, Kyūshū, with the recently captured island of Okinawa to be used as a staging area. Later, in the spring of 1946, Operation Coronet was the planned invasion of the Kantō Plain, near Tokyo, on the Japanese island of Honshu. Airbases on Kyūshū captured in Operation Olympic would allow land-based air support for Operation Coronet. If Downfall had taken place, it would have been the largest amphibious operation in history.

Japan's geography made this invasion plan quite obvious to the Japanese as well; they were able to predict the Allied invasion plans accurately and thus adjust their defensive plan, Operation Ketsugō, accordingly. The Japanese planned an all-out defense of Kyūshū, with little left in reserve for any subsequent defense operations. Casualty predictions varied widely, but were extremely high. Depending on the degree to which Japanese civilians would have resisted the invasion, estimates ran up into the millions for Allied casualties."

[Beren]

Sure they made an invasion plan, like Hitler also had a plan to invade Britain. So what? Japan was collapsing and would have capitulated to the U.S. anyways before they would have had to capitulate to the Soviets too.

[Suntzu]

Hmmm. They didn't after the first atomic bomb.

[Beren]

Hmmm. They didn't after the first atomic bomb.

I'm not sure whether you know it but they had to test two kinds of bombs: a uranium bomb and a plutonium bomb. That's why they bombed Japan twice.

[Suntzu]

Wrong again! They tested the plutonium bomb at the Trinity Site earlier in 1945. BTW, Fatman, the bomb dropped on Nagasaki, was the plutonium bomb.

[Beren]

They had to test them in combat, like they had to test MOAB in combat too.

This debate is over on my part.