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AJS wrote:One other point though - Remain and Leave are probably much more meaningful dividing lines in modern Britain than the obsolete Labour and Tory dividing line. The metropolitan liberal with a blue rosette is much more aligned with the metropolitan liberal with a red rosette than with the northern working class conservative who has always voted Labour or the Conservative voter in the shires. Who in turn have more in common with each other.

This. I'm honestly amazed it hasn't happened yet. Christ, you had senior Labour, Tory and Lib Dem politicians working together on the Remain campaign, and all realising to their "shock" that they agreed with each other on more or less everything. Why not just be honest and formalise it? :?: Why, for example, are Chuka Umunna and George Osborne in different political parties? Why are Frank Field and David Davis in different parties?
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Decky wrote::lol: The Lib Dems couldn't find their arse with both hands. They will not win the general election and form our next majority government. If they do I will change my profile picture to Margaret Thatcher for a week.


Only a week? Don't you have more confidence than that? But I agree in part. It'll be another Tory victory with a slightly bigger margin than now. But this election will be a Lib Dem victory when you consider everything trust me. They will gain support from the 48% of EU UK supporters that no other party seem interested in appeasing today (as proven by by-elections) and they will make massive gains in terms of seats and voting percentage too. Labour will get stuffed and it wouldn't surprise me if they become the UKs third party after this. So it'll be bye bye Corbyn and I will welcome the new Centrist leader who will replace him... and it'll be three years earlier than I could have hoped for. Bonus! Because socialist Labour cannot win an election on their own.
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We don't really know that as Labour are not socialist. They are on the centre right. Cobryn is leader but he inexplicably did not purge the Blairite scum from the PLP so Labour has stayed just as right wing as it had been ever since 1994.
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I'd be very surprised if the Liberal Democrats won outright, but it's a sure thing that they'll improve on 2015. If they got rid of that snivelling chinless dork of a leader they have at the moment, they would probably replace Labour as the official opposition.

As it happens, I was actually impressed with Nick Clegg on Newsnight last night. That's how pathetic things are in Britain right now: Nick Clegg seems like a political heavyweight.
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Decky wrote:We don't really know that as Labour are not socialist. They are on the centre right. Cobryn is leader but he inexplicably did not purge the Blairite scum from the PLP so Labour has stayed just as right wing as it had been ever since 1994.


Overall I would say Centre-Left. But being we can't agree on what left means (as it only truely means the side of the house you sit), I will let this slide. But what you fail to understand Decky, even though you are right, Labour is not Corbyn and neither are their MPs, Corbyns supporters are socialists and they will be his only major voting allies for Labour during this election. Labour's previous core centrist voters in previous elections like myself will either go to the Tories or the Lib Dems. Perhaps SNP in Scotland and Plaid Cymru in Wales. Corbyn should have agreed to Burnhams offer and been part of his team during his first leadership bid. Labour should not forget their socialist roots but they need to understand times are changing and more business friendly policies are needed to attract foreign investment to the UK (and create more desirable jobs). And people are more centrist than revolutionary today. So as I said many times on here before. Old (and new) Labour cannot win an election on their own. They need to work together. And Corbyn cannot unite the party. So he needs to fuck off. Nonetheless, I do like the guy. But he's just the wrong guy to lead Labour.
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As I have said many times before. We already have one Tory party and that is one too many. There is no point getting Labour elected at all if they are going to act in an identical fashion. The left will no longer prop up middle class Blairite scum. Either a left wing Labour gets in or Labour never gets in again.

What difference would it make? We have had a Tory government every year since 1979 anyway. If the middle class betwetters are allowed to run Labour it just acts totally identically to John Major while it is power so why would anyone actually want it in?
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I think the Lib Dems might do better than the 8-10% the more mainstream polls are showing, and the Tories might do worse than the crushing victory those polls suggest.

Not because of the overall number of votes nationally but because those votes will be targeted in metropolitan seats and the hardcore remainers are very motivated. The Lib Dems will make themselves the remain party and could take seats from both Tory and Labour.

However they'll probably also promise stupid stuff during the campaign like promising to make cars out of marshmallow and sending paedophiles to school as part of their rehabilitation, so won't win anywhere that normal people live.
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AJS wrote:Not because of the overall number of votes nationally but because those votes will be targeted in metropolitan seats and the hardcore remainers are very motivated. The Lib Dems will make themselves the remain party and could take seats from both Tory and Labour.


This is what always amuses me about non-compulsory election countries - if only a tiny percentage of the remainers who couldn't be bothered voting at the referendum - actually went and voted, Brexit wouldn't have happened. Apparently the more pro-remain areas you had, the lower the turnout was. And like Brexit, I suspect this coming election will be characterised by a higher turnout of one side (torries and far right) than the other side.

If every eligible voter actually got off their arse and voted in this election, imagine what result you would get. I suspect you would get a far more left leaning (at least economically) government. I'm hoping the left have learned their lesson from Brexit, but I'm not holding my breath.
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GandalfTheGrey wrote:This is what always amuses me about non-compulsory election countries - if only a tiny percentage of the remainers who couldn't be bothered voting at the referendum - actually went and voted, Brexit wouldn't have happened. Apparently the more pro-remain areas you had, the lower the turnout was. And like Brexit, I suspect this coming election will be characterised by a higher turnout of one side (torries and far right) than the other side.

If every eligible voter actually got off their arse and voted in this election, imagine what result you would get. I suspect you would get a far more left leaning (at least economically) government. I'm hoping the left have learned their lesson from Brexit, but I'm not holding my breath.

I'm sure they, Corbyn especially, will campaign more intensively this time than they did to avoid Brexit. However, the same will be true for the Tories and their prime minister as well. :lol:
#14798907
I may be wrong, but I'm under the impression that, deep down, Corbyn kind of wanted Brexit to happen as well, but he just couldn't openly admit it to avoid a shitstorm of epic proportions.
I don't know, call it a hunch, but the few times I've seen him on the issue, he just didn't seem interested / convinced enough.
The fact that the turnout for remain was so poor may be another indicator that for the british left, staying in the EU was not such an important matter as it may have been portrayed...

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