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The Guardian wrote:Two policemen have been killed and two wounded in a shooting incident in central Paris, a police source said.

A man opened fire on police on Thursday night on the Champs-Élysées and was killed by return fire, a police source told Reuters.

Pierre-Henry Brandet of the French interior ministry said the attacker had driven up to the site of the attack by car. He got out of the car and used an automatic weapon to fire on a police van.

The attacker killed one police officer and seriously wounded two other officers, said Brandet. He tried to fire at others as he ran off before being shot dead by police. One of the injured officers died of his wounds soon after.

The Paris anti-terrorist police are investigating the incident.

Authorities closed the boulevard and the surrounding streets and called on the public to avoid the area.

A witness identified only as Ines told French television station BFM that she heard a shooting, saw a man’s body on the ground and that the area was quickly evacuated by police.

The shooting was said to have happened in the area near the Marks & Spencer shop on the Champs Elysées.

A helicopter was flying low over central Paris, apparently part of a follow-up police operation.

One police source said the attacker was “known to the authorities.” A search was underway at the attacker’s home east of Paris.

The incident comes days before the first round of the French presidential election on Sunday. Security had already been stepped up at political rallies this week after the arrest of two men on Tuesday suspected of plotting an “imminent and violent attack” in the run-up to Sunday’s vote.

There was no information on whether or not the Paris incident was linked in any way to the arrests earlier this week.

Officials said the men who had been arrested on Tuesday were seeking to “have an impact in this [electoral] period” and had amassed an arsenal of weapons and bomb-making equipment, including 3kg of homemade explosive found in the flat where they were staying.

On Wednesday, the Paris anti-terror court had opened a preliminary investigation into one of the suspects, Mahiedine Merabet, 29, on 5 April, after receiving a tip-off from British intelligence that he had tried to make contact with Islamic State in order to send them a video expressing his support for the terrorist group.

The previous day Merabet had sent his identity card and bank card to the police station near his last known residence in Roubaix, northern France, along with a note, explaining: “Because of you, I can’t use them. I’ll hand myself in soon and we’ll talk. What do you, the police, want with me. Leave me alone, I’ve nothing to say to you.”

Merabet was already on the security service’s radar after a December 2016 raid on the Roubaix flat, where an Isis flag and propaganda was reportedly found. He disappeared and his flatmate gave a false identity. It was only after talking to Merabet’s family in Marseille that police realised the second man at the flat was Clément Baur, 23, a Muslim convert. The two met in prison where they shared a cell in 2015.

Search warrants were put out for the pair, both on the Fiche-S, a list of those suspected of being a threat to national security.

Police stepped up the search on 12 April after intercepting a video, reportedly filmed in a Marseille apartment, that showed Merabet with an Uzi submachine gun, ammunition, an Isis flag and photographs of children allegedly killed in French and American bombing raids in Syria. The film’s title was: “The Law of Retaliation”, a police source told French journalists.

A copy of Le Monde newspaper with a front-page picture of the presidential candidate François Fillon and dated 16 March was also filmed.

The five main presidential candidates were immediately alerted and advised to increase security, both personal and around their political meetings.

The Paris prosecutor François Molins said on Tuesday that the arrests of Merabet and Baur had been the result of “international cooperation”, but admitted investigators were trying to establish their planned targets.

As France’s interior minister announced “exceptional” security measures for the presidential campaign, the five main candidates responded by downplaying the threat and continuing electioneering.


Hoo boy, Marine should send him flowers.
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mikema63 wrote:Well this should spice up the French election some.

Random note my husband's aunt lives in Paris and said she stopped shopping there because she was sure there's be a terrorist attack.

Sure, it is great timing.

Are you a husband too?
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The peaceful Muslims don't become terrorists. The peaceful Christians don't attack mosques, and gun down people. Both religions state, unequivocally, that killing is WRONG.

You know about the Bible, but obviously not about the Quran. Do some reading. It's quite informative:

Top Ten Ways Islamic Law forbids Terrorism
Qur’an 6:151 says, “and do not kill a soul that God has made sacrosanct, save lawfully.” (i.e. murder is forbidden but the death penalty imposed by the state for a crime is permitted). 5:53 says, “… whoso kills a soul, unless it be for murder or for wreaking corruption in the land, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind; and he who saves a life, it shall be as if he had given life to all mankind.”

If the motive for terrorism is religious, it is impermissible in Islamic law. It is forbidden to attempt to impose Islam on other people. The Qur’an says, “There is no compulsion in religion. The right way has become distinct from error.” (-The Cow, 2:256).

The Quran says, “But if the enemies incline towards peace, do you also incline towards peace. And trust in God! For He is the one who hears and knows all things.” (8:61) The Quran chapter “The Cow,” 2:190, says, “Fight in the way of God against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! God loveth not aggressors.”

The killing of innocent non-combatants is forbidden. According to Sunni tradition, ‘Abu Bakr al-Siddiq, the first Caliph, gave these instructions to his armies: “I instruct you in ten matters: Do not kill women, children, the old, or the infirm; do not cut down fruit-bearing trees; do not destroy any town . . . ” (Malik’s Muwatta’, “Kitab al-Jihad.”)

The principle of forbidding the spreading of terror in the land is based on the Qur’an (Surah al-Ma’ida 5:33–34). Prominent Muslim legal scholar Sherman Jackson writes, “The Spanish Maliki jurist Ibn `Abd al-Barr (d. 464/ 1070)) defines the agent of hiraba as ‘Anyone who disturbs free passage in the streets and renders them unsafe to travel, striving to spread corruption in the land by taking money, killing people or violating what God has made it unlawful to violate is guilty of hirabah . . .”

The Prophet Muhammad counseled doing good to those who harm you and is said to have commanded, “Do not be people without minds of your own, saying that if others treat you well you will treat them well, and that if they do wrong you will do wrong to them. Instead, accustom yourselves to do good if people do good and not to do wrong (even) if they do evil.” (Al-Tirmidhi)

The Qur’an demands of believers that they exercise justice toward people even where they have reason to be angry with them: “And do not let the hatred of a people prevent you from being just. Be just; that is nearer to righteousness.”[5:8]

The Qur’an assures Christians and Jews of paradise if they believe and do good works, and commends Christians as the best friends of Muslims. I wrote elsewhere, “Dangerous falsehoods are being promulgated to the American public. The Quran does not preach violence against Christians.
Quran 5:69 says (Arberry): “Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness–their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow.”
In other words, the Quran promises Christians and Jews along with Muslims that if they have faith and works, they need have no fear in the afterlife. It is not saying that non-Muslims go to hell– quite the opposite.

https://www.juancole.com/2013/04/islami ... orism.html
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The left always chimes in after these Islamist terrorist attacks, and says something like there are 100 good Muslims for every bad 1.

Ya know what? The murdered don't care what the ratio is. The mass murdered don't care either. But the families and friends of the murdered care, and we need to do something drastic about this worldwide problem.

The first thing to do is restrict Muslim immigration into the West. If any Muslim living in a Western country so much as sniffs terrorism on the internet or elsewhere and gets placed on a terrorist watch list, even if they haven't murdered anyone yet, don't mess around, get rid of them now. Enough is enough, and we've had enough.
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The right always chimes in with bullshit after they carpet bomb and drone attack thousands of people, and says Muslims are bad.

The religion is not at fault. American foreign policy is.

Fuck off, American snowflakes.
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Godstud wrote:do not kill a soul that God has made sacrosanct

You missed the "THAT God has made"? Clearly does not include everyone.

save lawfully.”

Quite a loophole if you define "lawfully" differently.
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Zagadka wrote:You missed the "THAT God has made"? Clearly does not include everyone.
God made everything. You're cherry-picking.

Zagadka wrote:Quite a loophole if you define "lawfully" differently.
Lawfully, as in "the state". It says that clearly, but again, you're cherry-picking. :knife:

US does murder lawfully, as well. You have the death penalty. Stop acting holier then thou. It's stupid and offensive.
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