[Prosthetic Conscience]

A German soldier suspected of planning a terror attack has been arrested, prosecutors in Frankfurt said on Thursday.

The 28-year-old, whose name was not provided due to privacy laws, was arrested by police during training at the Bundeswehr base in Hammelburg, Bavaria. Police also searched 16 locations in Germany, Austria and France that yielded evidence.

Investigators believe the lieutenant was motivated by a "xenophobic background" to plan an attack, possibly on migrants and refugees.

Prosecutors said the man hid a loaded weapon in a bathroom at Vienna airport in January. He was then briefly arrested by Austrian police when he returned in February to retrieve it.

They later released the soldier due to insufficient evidence. However, the suspect's fingerprints indicated he had in late 2015 used an alias to falsely register as a Syrian refugee in Germany. In early 2016, he applied for asylum. He was subsequently granted accommodation and even received aid money.

The soldier apparently didn't attract the attention of authorities, even though he spoke French but no Arabic. During this time he was stationed in Illkich, France, where there is a joint German-French brigade.

Prosecutors believe the soldier planned to use the weapon from the Vienna airport to carry out a "serious state criminal offense." The weapon was illegal and not obtained from the Bundeswehr.

Police also arrested a 24-year-old student in the soldier's home town of Offenbach, near Frankfurt. Authorities believe he has a far-right extremist background and found items prohibited under weapons and explosives laws in his home.

Investigators are uncertain about all motives, but they have not ruled out the two men sought to carry out an attack in order to blame it on refugees.

The Military Counterintelligence Service (MAD) is currently investigating 275 cases of right-wing extremism within the Bundeswehr, in addition to dozens of cases of suspected radical Islamists and left-wing extremists.

http://www.dw.com/en/german-soldier-arr ... a-38609200

So it sounds like the refugee screening process is pathetic. And they let him go after catching him with a gun at an airport. Who knows how many 'refugees' are actually scams - perhaps just for a bit of money? Or how many German army officers are spending time hatching false-flag scenarios?

[Zagadka]

Of course the refugee screening is pathetic. It would be one thing, morally, to allow *refugees* from *the war* in on a *temporary* basis. I would fully support that (though I would locate it outside of the country). The system as it exists now just attracts immigrants of all stripes exploiting the system, and no one is willing to address that.

Anyway. No need for false-flag events, they manage to screw things up themselves.

[noir]

motivated by a "xenophobic background"

If a German leader would did it just two decades ago the reaction would be far worse. Today the reaction is so muted. Probably because the scary "Neo Nazis" are all grown old like the rest of the population.

Murder-shocked-Germany-leaders-deny-migrant-crisis.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... risis.html

german-govt-immigrant-crime-increased-by-over-50-during-2016

https://heatst.com/world/german-govt-im ... ring-2016/

[Decky]

Just business as usual for the German army. He was carrying on their "noble" traditions. In other nations the military exists to attack other militaries in Germany it exists to exterminate whole races of civilians. They should never have been allowed to rearm after the first war and certainly not after the second. Nobody in Europe is safe while one single German is left carrying one single rifle.

[Frollein]

Thanks Decky, I'll get a gun permit now.

[skinster]

Nobody in Europe is safe while one single German is left carrying one single rifle.

[MistyTiger]

Just business as usual for the German army. He was carrying on their "noble" traditions. In other nations the military exists to attack other militaries in Germany it exists to exterminate whole races of civilians. They should never have been allowed to rearm after the first war and certainly not after the second. Nobody in Europe is safe while one single German is left carrying one single rifle.

So it is more parania in one more country then? Xenophobes exist everywhere.

There really is no 100% safe place.

[noir]

Denazification

[Frollein]

The irony is that mostly women voted for him, so that the "Nazi" Hofer wouldn't win.

[noir]

The Germans save the word "Nazis" to right wing and xenophobes.
In reality the Nazis were of mixture right and left ideas.

[stephen50right]

The Germans save the word "Nazis" to right wing and xenophobes.
In reality the Nazis were of mixture right and left ideas.

The Nazi name actually stands for National Socialist German Workers' Party. That's a communist sounding name if there ever was one.

There is little doubt, that if Hitler had won the war, he would have turned Germany into a total socialist state IE Leftism. I have read books on Hitler and some from his inner circle stated that Hitler told them that when Germany wins the war, he was going to try to purge Germany of Christianity. That is an extremely hard core leftist idea considering that most Germans were Christians.

The way Hitler would have evolved if he was successful after the war, would have been to the far left, there is little question about that. Hitler being called far right by many historians, is history book propaganda written by liberal/leftist authors who don't wish to acknowledge that Hitler was much more like them, than any conservative.

[noir]

The SA were indeed "right wing" thugs and they resembled postwar "neo Nazis" hooligans. But Nazism was more than that. They were very active in promoting anti capitalism, anti colonialism and anti imperialism (usually watchwords for USA, Britain and Zionism). They were anti Judeo Christian religion but supported Islam. Today people do not understand that when a German/Austrian use certain liberal terminology and phraseology it doesn't mean they are not part of their problematic history.

[Potemkin]

The Nazi name actually stands for National Socialist German Workers' Party. That's a communist sounding name if there ever was one.

There is little doubt, that if Hitler had won the war, he would have turned Germany into a total socialist state IE Leftism. I have read books on Hitler and some from his inner circle stated that Hitler told them that when Germany wins the war, he was going to try to purge Germany of Christianity. That is an extremely hard core leftist idea considering that most Germans were Christians.

The way Hitler would have evolved if he was successful after the war, would have been to the far left, there is little question about that. Hitler being called far right by many historians, is history book propaganda written by liberal/leftist authors who don't wish to acknowledge that Hitler was much more like them, than any conservative.

What you are identifying is not the 'leftism' of the Nazis, but their anti-liberalism. The reason you interpret this anti-liberalism as being hostile to conservatism is because American conservatism was founded on liberal ideas in the 18th century. In the US, almost everybody is a liberal, in the classical sense. In Europe, of course, this is not the case. We have a different history, and European conservatism is rooted in feudal or quasi-feudal ideas of hierarchy, discipline and unquestioning obedience to one's feudal lord, one's 'fuehrer'. This is why neither fascism nor communism could gain any real traction in American society in the 20th century - American society is saturated with liberal ideas and liberal values. Even the First and Second Amendments, shibboleths of the American 'right-wing', are thoroughly liberal ideas. From a European perspective, you have neither a left wing nor a right wing in American politics - only a centrist liberal position. The only difference between the Republican and the Democratic parties is a difference of nuance and rhetoric. They actually agree on pretty much everything else. To you, everyone who isn't a (classical) liberal looks the same, which is why you cannot properly distinguish between communism and fascism, ideologically speaking. They are both anti-liberal ideologies, therefore they are the same ideology. Which is nonsense, of course.

And as for the Nazis' contempt for Christianity, they regarded it as a Jewish religion based on the worship of weakness, mercy and love. Not the appropriate religion for a nation of warriors and conquerors, as the Nazis wished Germany to be. Indeed, the classical liberal values on which the USA was founded were in fact derived from Christianity, and form a secularised version of that religion. Nazism and Bolshevism, which both possessed a shared loathing for liberalism, therefore rejected Christianity and either tried to or planned to eradicate it from their respective societies.This has nothing to do with being 'leftist' or 'rightist', but has a lot to do with wanting to eradicate liberalism.

[noir]

What you are identifying is not the 'leftism' of the Nazis, but their anti-liberalism. The reason you interpret this anti-liberalism as being hostile to conservatism is because American conservatism was founded on liberal ideas in the 18th century. In the US, almost everybody is a liberal, in the classical sense.

The reason we call German Islamophiles, "liberals" is because we are still under German 68 self explanatory propaganda. At that time West Germany was ruled by conservative pro-American Cold War warriors, so it was easy for them to claim that these leaders were the inheritors of Nazism while they are the "new start" liberals and Human Rights crusaders. In reality the Nazis were as Islamophiles as they are.

[Beren]

German army investigates 275 suspected cases of right-wing extremism

Most of the offenses under investigation relate to propaganda and racist commentary on the internet. Germany has increased resources for military intelligence to conduct investigations into suspected extremists.

The German army is investigating 275 suspected cases of right-wing extremism within its ranks, according to an answer provided by the defense ministry in response to a parliamentary question.

The Military Counterintelligence Service (MAD) is investigating 143 cases from 2016 and a further 53 cases from this year so far. The remainder of the investigations stem from before 2016.

Most of the investigations are related to propaganda crimes and racist commentary on the internet. In one instance, a soldier wrote abusive messages to a refugee after asking her whether she was Christian or Muslim.

In a number of cases, soldiers were dismissed or handed financial penalties. Some of the soldiers were reported to have had access to weapons.

Military ombudsman Hans-Peter Bartels told the "Funke Mediengruppe" that right-wing extremism was a topic at which "the Bundeswehr must take a close look." He said that when there were violations, superiors usually responded quickly and consistently.

However, Ulla Jelpke, a speaker for the Left Party in parliament, who requested the information, described the military's handling of right-wing extremism as "highly problematic."

"Whoever turns out to be a Hitler fan needs to get out of the army," Jelpke said.
The German government has increased resources for MAD to conduct investigations into suspected right-wing extremists, radical Islamists and the far-left within the Bundeswehr.

Starting in July, new recruits will also have to undergo a security background check before entering the military. Soldiers currently undergo a security check by MAD but only after they have entered the service.

The goal of the change is to prevent extremists from receiving weapons training in the army that could later be used to carry out individual acts of violence at home or abroad.

cw/jm (AFP, dpa)

Although I'm sure some of them have serious plans and mean to take real action, it seems most far-right extremists in the Bundeswehr happen to be internet warriors and the whole issue is under strict control.

[noir]

How pathetic. To all intents the indigenous citizens have been tied by their own government to their doorposts while the Muslims streamed past. Any one who believes it will not bring "far right" backlash is deluding itself.

[Beren]

It must be pathetic indeed that Germany is still proper and civilised and not a miserable shithole of vigilantes.

[stephen50right]

What you are identifying is not the 'leftism' of the Nazis, but their anti-liberalism. The reason you interpret this anti-liberalism as being hostile to conservatism is because American conservatism was founded on liberal ideas in the 18th century. In the US, almost everybody is a liberal, in the classical sense. In Europe, of course, this is not the case. We have a different history, and European conservatism is rooted in feudal or quasi-feudal ideas of hierarchy, discipline and unquestioning obedience to one's feudal lord, one's 'fuehrer'. This is why neither fascism nor communism could gain any real traction in American society in the 20th century - American society is saturated with liberal ideas and liberal values. Even the First and Second Amendments, shibboleths of the American 'right-wing', are thoroughly liberal ideas. From a European perspective, you have neither a left wing nor a right wing in American politics - only a centrist liberal position. The only difference between the Republican and the Democratic parties is a difference of nuance and rhetoric. They actually agree on pretty much everything else. To you, everyone who isn't a (classical) liberal looks the same, which is why you cannot properly distinguish between communism and fascism, ideologically speaking. They are both anti-liberal ideologies, therefore they are the same ideology. Which is nonsense, of course.

And as for the Nazis' contempt for Christianity, they regarded it as a Jewish religion based on the worship of weakness, mercy and love. Not the appropriate religion for a nation of warriors and conquerors, as the Nazis wished Germany to be. Indeed, the classical liberal values on which the USA was founded were in fact derived from Christianity, and form a secularised version of that religion. Nazism and Bolshevism, which both possessed a shared loathing for liberalism, therefore rejected Christianity and either tried to or planned to eradicate it from their respective societies.This has nothing to do with being 'leftist' or 'rightist', but has a lot to do with wanting to eradicate liberalism.

Yes, different societies may interpret words in a different way depending on their background and culture. For example some languages may not have a precise equal definition of a word from another language. Sometimes two or three words are needed to get the same point across.

Also, I can see how from a European prospective that the Founding Fathers in 1776 were liberals/leftists...IE: A bunch of radical damn Yankees who overthrew the established British order. However, I don't see it that way. Our Founding Fathers were mostly very religious. and wealthy land owners...pillars of American society. But they didn't have the freedom and liberty they wanted in which freedom and liberty are bedrock fundamentals of conservatism. Fortunately they achieved their goals. More fortunately, complete freedom and liberty for all Americans finally happened in 1863 by a Republican Party president.

[Heisenberg]

Most of the "founding fathers" were slave-owning Unitarian maniacs who were convinced George III was a secret Catholic sleeper agent because they weren't given free rein to completely exterminate the Native American population. Why you guys hold them in semi-religious esteem is a mystery.

[noir]

Slaves, slaves, slaves. They could escape but they liked it that way. Sort of economic security for people with no ambition to mobolize.*

*know little about American slavery.