[Buzz62]

I agree with Drlee.
Today here in Toronto, a Muslim woman ran around a Canadian Tire with a long knife.
Nobody was hurt and the woman was rather easily subdued, but she was heard to be proclaiming her acts in the name of ISIS.
She "may" also the product of PM Pixey Dust's refugee program...but I think that's just a rumor at this point.
So admittedly this is a Canuck style terrorist action (small and rather laughable), but the interesting thing is...it's a woman.

Several Muslim women have now been discovered around the globe participating in this new terror fad.
And as we also know that children are being recruited into ISIS, I suppose we can absolve ourselves of worrying about all the women and children that would be hurt by stern and decisive responses from the west...huh?

I think it's silly for some of us to squirm and squeal about humanitarianism and the like, while these Muslim immigrants plot to kill us in our own countries.
And the idea that any response short of "Have you hugged a Muslim today" will make things worse, is simply...the ideas of a simpleton.
Get rid of them, lay siege to their lands, and watch what happens from a distance.

[stephen50right]

I agree with Drlee.
Today here in Toronto, a Muslim woman ran around a Canadian Tire with a long knife.
Nobody was hurt and the woman was rather easily subdued, but she was heard to be proclaiming her acts in the name of ISIS.
She "may" also the product of PM Pixey Dust's refugee program...but I think that's just a rumor at this point.
So admittedly this is a Canuck style terrorist action (small and rather laughable), but the interesting thing is...it's a woman.

Several Muslim women have now been discovered around the globe participating in this new terror fad.
And as we also know that children are being recruited into ISIS, I suppose we can absolve ourselves of worrying about all the women and children that would be hurt by stern and decisive responses from the west...huh?

I think it's silly for some of us to squirm and squeal about humanitarianism and the like, while these Muslim immigrants plot to kill us in our own countries.
And the idea that any response short of "Have you hugged a Muslim today" will make things worse, is simply...the ideas of a simpleton.
Get rid of them, lay siege to their lands, and watch what happens from a distance.

They come over here, not because they want to assimilate, but they just wanted to get away from other Muslims of a different sect trying to kill them. Not at all do they denounce Islam. They are already crazy because of inbreeding from centuries of marrying their first cousins. In some Muslim countries over half of the marriages are between first cousins. They act nuts because they really are nuts. They have no discernible job skills other than manual labor but they are mostly lazy so they don't wish to do that. They don't speak the language and have no desire to learn it except just enough to be able to fill out forms for lifetime free government benefits which they look at as we giving it to them for the pleasure of their existence. They already hate the new country, and they wind up hating it more as time goes on, and their children hate it even more than their parents which is why we are seeing the children of Muslim immigrants and refugees more and more often becoming terrorists.

And the liberals/leftists out there can't figure out why this isn't working?

[Stormsmith]

Dr Lee

I agree adding to the police force would probably prove fruitful. Let's ensure they're well trained.

But better still, let's expand monitoring the Internet. Those who are self radicalised are schooled by the web. We have the capacity to rein in Internet child porn, but we aren't employing the necessary manpower. We also need to improve the international infrastructure needed to be truly effective. But since we proved to be effective handling porn, it stands to reason expansion will lead to bettering both porn convictions and finding self radicalising sites. I don't mind a tax hike for these endeavours.

And hopefully, Google can help too.

I am less enthusiastic than you over actually campaigning. We seem to keep getting it wrong. It's all so confusing.

[Drlee]

How does that work when bin Laden wanted the US to invade and organised the 9-11 hijackings because his previous attacks hadn't provoked the response he wanted?

I am missing the point I fear. Tell me again about this theory?

[QatzelOk]

They come over here, not because they want to assimilate, but they just wanted to get away from other Muslims of a different sect trying to kill them. Not at all do they denounce Islam.

The West and its allies actually pay mercenaries to act like the "Muslims of a different sect" that shoot up nations that the West and its allies want to control.

To control their own countries, the Western elite can probably pay their terrorist mercenaries to blow up our nations as well.

But don't say bad things about your own elite if you want to get a nice treat after you chase their frisbees for them.

[AFAIK]

DrLee,
I got it from George Friedman's book America's Secret War. Basically binLaden wanted to reestablish a caliphate and in order to do so he had to overthrow the Arab regimes that were dependent on America and replace them with Islamic ones. In order to do that he had to prove to Muslims that the US was weak and that they could assert themselves and to make that point he would tie America down in a protracted war that it could not win a la Vietnam.

This article discusses the same ideas;
https://www.stratfor.com/war_psychology_and_time

[Drlee]

Ah. I honestly can't say I am familiar with that. It could be true of course but it is a bit convoluted. Bin Laden seemed to me to be more 'immediate' than that. Never the less, I am intrigued. Do you recommend the book.

[AFAIK]

It's good coverage if you want to hear the Washington consensus on the conflict. Friedman is pretty candid and direct so you don't have to read between the lines or cut through any verbiage. I give it 5 stars. I'd also recommend The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein if you want a lefty's perspective.

[Buzz62]

They come over here, not because they want to assimilate, but they just wanted to get away from other Muslims of a different sect trying to kill them. Not at all do they denounce Islam. They are already crazy because of inbreeding from centuries of marrying their first cousins. In some Muslim countries over half of the marriages are between first cousins. They act nuts because they really are nuts. They have no discernible job skills other than manual labor but they are mostly lazy so they don't wish to do that. They don't speak the language and have no desire to learn it except just enough to be able to fill out forms for lifetime free government benefits which they look at as we giving it to them for the pleasure of their existence. They already hate the new country, and they wind up hating it more as time goes on, and their children hate it even more than their parents which is why we are seeing the children of Muslim immigrants and refugees more and more often becoming terrorists.

And the liberals/leftists out there can't figure out why this isn't working?

I hear ya, but...
I don't think migration to another society requires one to give up their religious beliefs. It's just a dangerous slope to start down. Besides, given enough rope, the man made idea of this Hebrew Gawd will hang itself. Which may be the only favorable outcome of this conflict. The end of this socio-political indoctrination called "religion".
That the Arab people like to impregnate their own cousins is interesting, if not comical news. Not that I don't believe you, but the idea does sound funny. As funny as the stories of cross-eyed butt-ugly inbred Ozark good ol' boys. Or the European Royals...
Stupidity is a genetic affliction of the human race. if its not one stupid notion, it'll be another. Dealing with this "situation" should be carried out as far removed from the trappings of religion as possible.
As for coming here as refugees, then hating our culture and society enough to make acts of violence in and against their chosen land of refuge...send 'em back.
It needs to made perfectly clear that, although one may prostrate ones self worshiping Mohamed's encounter with this mischievous mid-eastern sky-king, that this may not be used as an excuse for acts of war. BY ANY OF THE 3 CRAZY-ASSED SECTS!

Beware too that, although I would support mass deportation of recent Muslim migrants from Europe, and the closing of any migration for any reason from the offending countries to the west, that such an act will enrage the Muslim world. Thus the further we can distance ourselves from making this a Wholly War...the better.

[stephen50right]

I hear ya, but...
I don't think migration to another society requires one to give up their religious beliefs. It's just a dangerous slope to start down. Besides, given enough rope, the man made idea of this Hebrew Gawd will hang itself. Which may be the only favorable outcome of this conflict. The end of this socio-political indoctrination called "religion".
That the Arab people like to impregnate their own cousins is interesting, if not comical news. Not that I don't believe you, but the idea does sound funny. As funny as the stories of cross-eyed butt-ugly inbred Ozark good ol' boys. Or the European Royals...
Stupidity is a genetic affliction of the human race. if its not one stupid notion, it'll be another. Dealing with this "situation" should be carried out as far removed from the trappings of religion as possible.
As for coming here as refugees, then hating our culture and society enough to make acts of violence in and against their chosen land of refuge...send 'em back.
It needs to made perfectly clear that, although one may prostrate ones self worshiping Mohamed's encounter with this mischievous mid-eastern sky-king, that this may not be used as an excuse for acts of war. BY ANY OF THE 3 CRAZY-ASSED SECTS!

Beware too that, although I would support mass deportation of recent Muslim migrants from Europe, and the closing of any migration for any reason from the offending countries to the west, that such an act will enrage the Muslim world. Thus the further we can distance ourselves from making this a Wholly War...the better.

It's not just mental problems, it's physical problems as well. So even if some aren't crazy and terrorist prone, their physical infirmities are a huge burden on an already burdened healthcare system.

Muslim immigration in mass for a Western country is strictly a lose-lose situation for the country, and this isn't even a debatable point any longer - it is a stone cold fact. The only question is how bad it will become.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -risk.html

Also:

<<< That the Arab people like to impregnate their own cousins is interesting, if not comical news. Not that I don't believe you, but the idea does sound funny. As funny as the stories of cross-eyed butt-ugly inbred Ozark good ol' boys. Or the European Royals... >>>

Here ya go...you can read this and humor yourself some more...or smarten up...the choice is yours.

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Cousin_Marriage_in_Islam

Here's a snippet:

A rough estimate shows that close to half of all Muslims in the world are inbred: In Pakistan, 70 percent of all marriages are between first cousins (so-called "consanguinity") and in Turkey the amount is between 25-30 percent.

[Buzz62]

stephen50right:

Yes I get it. Extraordinarily stupid.
The problem is...I don't care...much...
Stupid people make it easier for my own seed to compete and succeed in this world.
And history clearly shows that foreign migrants, over the course of a generation...2 in some cases...produces generally stable and seamless integration with the new culture and society. According to your ideas and supporting documentation, the worst case scenario might be what...
Further dilution of the gene pool? Darker complexions over some time?
I can live with these minor irritants.
Admittedly though, the idea that 70% of all marriages in Pakistan are between cousins, does bring to mind several humorous anecdotes...

[Drlee]

It's good coverage if you want to hear the Washington consensus on the conflict. Friedman is pretty candid and direct so you don't have to read between the lines or cut through any verbiage. I give it 5 stars. I'd also recommend The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein if you want a lefty's perspective.

I'll order them. Thanks..

[stephen50right]

stephen50right:

Yes I get it. Extraordinarily stupid.
The problem is...I don't care...much...
Stupid people make it easier for my own seed to compete and succeed in this world.
And history clearly shows that foreign migrants, over the course of a generation...2 in some cases...produces generally stable and seamless integration with the new culture and society. According to your ideas and supporting documentation, the worst case scenario might be what...
Further dilution of the gene pool? Darker complexions over some time?
I can live with these minor irritants.
Admittedly though, the idea that 70% of all marriages in Pakistan are between cousins, does bring to mind several humorous anecdotes...

<<< And history clearly shows that foreign migrants, over the course of a generation...2 in some cases...produces generally stable and seamless integration with the new culture and society. >>>

This situation is not the same as from the past. Too many Muslims are going backwards in their thinking while the rest of the world is moving forward. And it's quite obvious...just ask the families and friends of those murdered by Muslim terrorist attacks - they'll tell you.

[mikema63]

Apparently 130 imams have refused to preform funerary rites for the attackers and are urging other religious leaders to join them.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/06/06 ... s.amp.html

[stephen50right]

Apparently 130 imams have refused to preform funerary rites for the attackers and are urging other religious leaders to join them.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/06/06 ... s.amp.html

That's fine and dandy...but the basic problem is can these statements be believed?

I don't believe these Imams are sincere. But of course anyone else is free to believe whatever they wish.

[mikema63]

The right: why don't we ever see Muslims condemning these attacks.
Me: here are 130 religious leaders refusing funeral prayers for the attackers.
The right: all Muslims are liars.

[stephen50right]

The right: why don't we ever see Muslims condemning these attacks.
Me: here are 130 religious leaders refusing funeral prayers for the attackers.
The right: all Muslims are liars.

Even if these 130 are telling the truth...130 Imams out of millions worldwide isn't that many.

If you want to think the statements by these Imams is helpful, then that's your prerogative.

I happen to think the statements are a bunch of bull feathers.

Show us ACTION, not words, as to how as an Imam they are working to eradicate Islamic terrorism. That's what I want to see and then I'll believe them.

[mikema63]

These guys are religious zealots. Being denied religious rights is not exactly a small thing.

But whatever, you so badly need all Muslims to be in on it that you will dismiss everything that goes against your narratives as lies or explain it away.

What would you expect them to do to fight terrorism? Join the military?

[Buzz62]

<<< And history clearly shows that foreign migrants, over the course of a generation...2 in some cases...produces generally stable and seamless integration with the new culture and society. >>>

This situation is not the same as from the past. Too many Muslims are going backwards in their thinking while the rest of the world is moving forward. And it's quite obvious...just ask the families and friends of those murdered by Muslim terrorist attacks - they'll tell you.

Ya well...no. I disagree.
Remember this guy?

Sure ya do...

Not strictly the same scenario, but close enough.
Foreigners having troubles migrating. Or coming with explicit instructions to subvert the society.
Either way, America managed to make them folk heroes...

Be that as it may...
Perhaps we should consider being bluntly honest about this particular situation, shall we?
The Muslims and the Christians have a long history of war.
This time around, it looks like it was US who kinda started the unrest.
Thus for the next generation or so, we can expect Muslim people who have...watched their mothers be blown to bits by a drone? ... exact their revenge.
Be that as it may, they have seen fit to annex a goodly chunk of the sandbox, and in their rage, have declared war on the west via urban warfare and the imposition of fear (terror) into our societies.
Unfortunately the question then becomes one of self preservation here in my home.
Yes, our idiocy has come home to roost.
But there's the problem. Not only is this Muslim Extremist Ideology, poking at a military force that is exponentially bigger and more capable, but this happens to be my home.
And I do NOT want this battle brought to my door!

[Buzz62]

These guys are religious zealots. Being denied religious rights is not exactly a small thing.

But whatever, you so badly need all Muslims to be in on it that you will dismiss everything that goes against your narratives as lies or explain it away.

What would you expect them to do to fight terrorism? Join the military?

Yes!