[maz]

Almost every Muslim country doesn't accept Israel passports. I sure don't see Jews strapping suicide vests to themselves and blowing up innocent civilians in Tehran over this or any other reason.

However, if Iran ever attacks Israel, they will get a different response than Israel typically dishes out to Hamas whenever they attack Israel.

Why would Iran attack Israel? The nation hasn't even attacked any other nation in my lifetime.

[Suntzu]

Why would Iran attack Israel? The nation hasn't even attacked any other nation in my lifetime.

True. I don't think Iran is stupid enough to attack Israel. I don't think they are suicidal.

[Zagadka]

[Zag Note: I will not go back and delete all 3 pages of off-topic posts (for now). Please keep further posts on topic.]

[Prosthetic Conscience]

My comment was on topic in regards to the ongoing discussion about Islamic murder and why it is happening. You digressed into a religious diatribe in which I have no interest of partaking in with this thread or any other thread. I was stating fact, not blind hate or anti-religious sentiment.

No, it was you who made it into a comparison of religions. My involvement in the thread has been:
Saying the British murder rate is still well below the American one, even with these terrorist murders, so we shouldn't panic, to which Saeko replied "should we not worry about KKK killings, then?" I replied "Great, go after these people the way you go after the KKK", and Albert then compared the KKK to Islam. I pointed out out Albert was incorrectly comparing the tiny violent organisation of the KKK, that is based around violence, to the whole of Islam, and then you joined in saying exactly the same as Albert - wanting to equate the KKK with Islam. So we see it's Albert and you starting the religious diatribes. After I explain very explicitly how you're wrongly trying to paint all of Islam as the equivalent of the KKK, you say "Jesus and Moses were men of peace. Muhammad was a man of war" and quote from the Bible and Koran. Again, you're the one with the religious diatribe. I point out it's absurd to call Moses a "man of peace", giving reasons from the Bible (which you brought into the conversation). Although it was you who brought Jesus, Moses and Mohammed into the thread and compared them, you then tell me to stop using historical comparisons.

You claim you didn't express anti-religious sentiment; but you compared Islam to the KKK, claimed the message of the Koran is "thou shalt kill", and talked about "Muslim savages". Of course that is anti-religious sentiment.

Your opinion about ISIS wanting an "over-reaction" is a typical view from the left and it is dead wrong.

It's a standard analysis, pretty easy to reach, because ISIS even says it in their own propaganda. See, for instance:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... aders.html
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/how ... rists-win/
http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/isla ... apocalypse

Speaking of history...history has shown that ignoring or placating groups of mass murderers only emboldens them.

I'm not saying placate them. I'm not saying ignore them. I'm saying they're a matter for law and order, and that an over-reaction of abandoning our laws based on equality and proof of guilt before locking people up, in favour of internment without trial, will just drive waverers towards them. If you want a historical example, look at Northern Ireland; internment in the early 70s recruited masses to the IRA, and it took a couple of decades to recover from that.

No, your side would prefer to send them flowers, and hope that they change and suddenly become nice. Well go ahead, your side can send them flowers, my side is going to send them bullets and explosives, right between their eyes.

This is fucking idiotic macho posing. Grow up.

Everybody, including Muslims, knows that the West is not anti-Muslim.

As I've already shown, you are repeatedly attacking Muslims in general. You yourself are anti-Muslim, and you're telling the west to adopt your Islamophobia.

With strong leadership such as Donald Trump

Trump is a bumbling fool, alienating the countries allied to his, and crapping out retweets of Drudge before going golfing, rather than 'leading' in any way. He has a team of extremists and grifters at each others' throats, and trying to enrich their family businesses, while he sends out spokespeople to make excuses for him which he then undermines himself the next day. That's not 'leadership', it's malignant chaos. He is the dumbest, least informed president the US has ever had. He thought there is a tax bill making it's way through Congress when there isn't. He had to check that 'Presbyterian' is a Christian denomination, even though he claims to be a Presbyterian himself. He didn't know what the nuclear triad was when he was a candidate. He's not 'strong', he's Mister Magoo, blundering around and causing one disaster after another, unable to see how pathetically unequipped he is to lead anything.

[stephen50right]

No, it was you who made it into a comparison of religions. My involvement in the thread has been:
Saying the British murder rate is still well below the American one, even with these terrorist murders, so we shouldn't panic, to which Saeko replied "should we not worry about KKK killings, then?" I replied "Great, go after these people the way you go after the KKK", and Albert then compared the KKK to Islam. I pointed out out Albert was incorrectly comparing the tiny violent organisation of the KKK, that is based around violence, to the whole of Islam, and then you joined in saying exactly the same as Albert - wanting to equate the KKK with Islam. So we see it's Albert and you starting the religious diatribes. After I explain very explicitly how you're wrongly trying to paint all of Islam as the equivalent of the KKK, you say "Jesus and Moses were men of peace. Muhammad was a man of war" and quote from the Bible and Koran. Again, you're the one with the religious diatribe. I point out it's absurd to call Moses a "man of peace", giving reasons from the Bible (which you brought into the conversation). Although it was you who brought Jesus, Moses and Mohammed into the thread and compared them, you then tell me to stop using historical comparisons.

You claim you didn't express anti-religious sentiment; but you compared Islam to the KKK, claimed the message of the Koran is "thou shalt kill", and talked about "Muslim savages". Of course that is anti-religious sentiment.


It's a standard analysis, pretty easy to reach, because ISIS even says it in their own propaganda. See, for instance:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... aders.html
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/04/how ... rists-win/
http://yaleglobal.yale.edu/content/isla ... apocalypse


I'm not saying placate them. I'm not saying ignore them. I'm saying they're a matter for law and order, and that an over-reaction of abandoning our laws based on equality and proof of guilt before locking people up, in favour of internment without trial, will just drive waverers towards them. If you want a historical example, look at Northern Ireland; internment in the early 70s recruited masses to the IRA, and it took a couple of decades to recover from that.


This is fucking idiotic macho posing. Grow up.


As I've already shown, you are repeatedly attacking Muslims in general. You yourself are anti-Muslim, and you're telling the west to adopt your Islamophobia.


Trump is a bumbling fool, alienating the countries allied to his, and crapping out retweets of Drudge before going golfing, rather than 'leading' in any way. He has a team of extremists and grifters at each others' throats, and trying to enrich their family businesses, while he sends out spokespeople to make excuses for him which he then undermines himself the next day. That's not 'leadership', it's malignant chaos. He is the dumbest, least informed president the US has ever had. He thought there is a tax bill making it's way through Congress when there isn't. He had to check that 'Presbyterian' is a Christian denomination, even though he claims to be a Presbyterian himself. He didn't know what the nuclear triad was when he was a candidate. He's not 'strong', he's Mister Magoo, blundering around and causing one disaster after another, unable to see how pathetically unequipped he is to lead anything.

I appreciate the well thought out reply. You misrepresent some of my points and frankly, I don't feel like spending hours on a long post to untangle it, only to have you come back and misrepresent that as well. However I would like to comment on one of your points.

<<< You claim you didn't express anti-religious sentiment; but you compared Islam to the KKK, claimed the message of the Koran is "thou shalt kill", and talked about "Muslim savages". Of course that is anti-religious sentiment. >>>

"You claim you didn't express anti-religious sentiment" - that is correct

"but you compared Islam to the KKK" - certain aspects of Islam that are being carried out by terrorists - YES

"claimed the message of the Koran is "thou shalt kill" - certain aspects of Islam that are being carried out by terrorists - YES

"talked about "Muslim savages" - ISIS and other Islamic terrorist groups are Muslim savages - FACT

"Of course that is anti-religious sentiment." - To tie everything into the topic. I am not anti-religious in the least. Never have been, never will be. Anyone can worship the squirrels that run around in their backyard and then build little squirrel monuments to them for all I care. What I am against is those who are trying to kill me and destroy my country! Sorry but I happen to be against that. If they were Christians, Jews, Buddhists, or squirrel worshipers, doing the same thing, then I would also be against that. Today's terrorists are Muslims, that is a fact. Of course it's not all Muslims, but it's too many Muslims, and that's the big problem that must be dealt with for Western civilization to survive.

[Suntzu]

Two of the three should have been under surveillance, good work!

[Buzz62]

While you people, and the western populations, sit around wondering what they can do about this without hurting their ever-lovin' sensibilities, these Muslim Freaks smell weakness.

[Suntzu]

Poland and Hungary understand.

[Buzz62]

I think the Czechs are understanding as well...

[AFAIK]

The solution is to vote labour who will spend more money on police. Theresa May oversaw a reduction in police spending, a reduction of police numbers and directed more resources to policing pornography because Tories consider face sitting and squirting to be bigger threats to the nation.

[Rich]

Fantastic news, a Jihadist Muslim has been killed in Paris with only minor injuries to a police Officer. Infidel lives matter. Those that seek to model themselves on the genocidal, paedophile, slaver Prophet must come second.

[noir]

Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn almost neck-and-neck as Tory lead plummets, new poll finds

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/813504 ... or-atttack

Brits, who are the people who vote for Corbyn and why?

[Oxymoron]

Theresa May and Jeremy Corbyn almost neck-and-neck as Tory lead plummets, new poll finds

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/813504 ... or-atttack

Brits, who are the people who vote for Corbyn and why?

Muslims, self hating whites, idiots and the like.

[The Sabbaticus]

The solution is to vote labour who will spend more money on police. Theresa May oversaw a reduction in police spending, a reduction of police numbers and directed more resources to policing pornography because Tories consider face sitting and squirting to be bigger threats to the nation.

And you think those additional police officers will be conducting anti-terror surveillance as if they were intelligence officers and part of the secret services? No, the solution would be to round up all known jihadists and extremist imams, shuttering all extremist mosques, reforming school curricula in adopting a zero tolerance policy towards extremism within immigrant communities and putting the various Islamic communities on notice.

Shutting down the multi-million pound Islamofauxbia industry in the UK will also be a good start. In addition to banning halal slaughter and extirpating the sharia system. Not to mention blocking satellite transmissions from Islamic networks to and fro the Middle East. (The UK is in fact a hub for Islamic hate preachers who record their shows there in order to broadcast in the Middle East.)

Of course the modern 'multicultural Brit' knows only one politically correct action to Islamic terrorism - namely, to bend over and take it. Wouldn't want to offend the Muslims, now would we?

[skinster]

Brits, who are the people who vote for Corbyn and why?

I'm guessing mainly the working class since his party's manifesto is all about helping them.

[AFAIK]

Sab, I take it you haven't been following this story. Several of the attackers were known to authorities who were unable to pursue adequate surveillance due to a lack of resources due to Tory cuts and Tory fears of sexually assertive females.

In regards to halal slaughter, you'll be happy to hear that Corbyn is a vegetarian and has pledged to promote animal welfare.

[Nonsense]

Moses, of course, is a myth. He never existed. The fables told about him, however, include extensive violence (killing an Egyptian himself, God massacring the firstborn of all Egypt and drowning the Egyptian army, ordering a massacre of 3000 people, and much more killing. The biblical story from Exodus to Judges is frequent genocide of non-Hebrew tribes, and Moses is in the thick of it. "Thou shalt not kill" is a hollow joke if you read the surrounding stories.

But, of course, Jews and Christians are able to ignore the biblical atrocities that are excused as commanded by their god. Muslims see the wars fought by Mohammed (real, this time) as politically necessary, just as western nations see the wars they fought themselves as necessary and fully compatible with their religion (the religiously based genocide during the Albigensian Crusade, following the Pope's orders, is just ignored, for instance).

All religion is bollocks - there are no gods, and no afterlife or reincarnation. Most people do their best to find ways to excuse their bad behaviour and say it's OK with their religion. But the psychopaths use it to justify murder or genocide. The problem in the world is the psychopaths, not one religion.

The Egyptians of old had 2000 'gods', they must have had a 'Lottery' because they ended up with just one.

It's funny how many religions proclaim that ,"There is ONLY one god but "****".

Yet, somehow they still manage to proliferate, obviously, they cannot ALL be the 'ONE' can they.

[Drlee]

The solution is to vote labour who will spend more money on police. Theresa May oversaw a reduction in police spending, a reduction of police numbers and directed more resources to policing pornography because Tories consider face sitting and squirting to be bigger threats to the nation.

There is a good point here that is worth expanding upon.

The greatest consideration in all of this is just how far we are prepared to go to fix the problem. If the decision is to go further than resources are going to have to be devoted to it and we are not talking a little bit. Protecting a country from hundreds of thousands of potential threats is a massive undertaking. The Israelis are good at it. So, it would appear, are the Americans these days.

My opinion (which is very unpopular) is that the best way to stop this is to have the people in the Middle East (namely mainstream Islam and the governments that contain it) to fear our retaliation more than they fear the terrorists within. This is a big order. It is a draconian order.
It is in effect if not in practice an actual war.

Within our borders there must be swift and decisive action. Deportation of what we previously called "persons of interest" would help. Muslim communities within our borders must know that we will not brook activities that promote or even condone terrorism. Is this a slippery constitutional slope? Yes. But it is necessary.

WRT the internet. Sites that allow any discussion which might promote terror or even radicalization should be shut down immediately.

For the older folks here, this is much the same quandary we faced in the Vietnam war. Like that war the problem is that we have decided to 'almost' win the war.

[Suntzu]

For the older folks here, this is much the same quandary we faced in the Vietnam war. Like that war the problem is that we have decided to 'almost' win the war.

Vietnam wasn't a war, it was an occupation. One can't 'almost' win an occupation, you either stay forever or leave.

[AFAIK]

@Drlee
How does that work when bin Laden wanted the US to invade and organised the 9-11 hijackings because his previous attacks hadn't provoked the response he wanted?