[noir]

Israel was the first target of the British f**** Pakistanis

Mike's Place bar April 2003

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike%27 ... de_bombing

[skinster]

Cool

[stephen50right]

It was you who brought up Jesus, Moses and Mohammed. The historical comparisons are yours. And if you think that was "justifying" murder, then you're illiterate. I called the murderers psychopaths. What I'm doing is pointing out that attacking the religion of one and a half billion people, and the calls for internment or deportation without trial, or bans on Muslim immigration, are hysterical over-reaction that won't solve anything. They'll just drive marginal Muslims more to the "they hate us all" camp, and some will turn to violence. It's the over-reaction that groups like ISIS want. They want all Muslims to fear western countries and side with them. If you try to make it a "clash of civilizations" too, you're giving them the eternal war that ISIS craves.

My comment was on topic in regards to the ongoing discussion about Islamic murder and why it is happening. You digressed into a religious diatribe in which I have no interest of partaking in with this thread or any other thread. I was stating fact, not blind hate or anti-religious sentiment.

Your opinion about ISIS wanting an "over-reaction" is a typical view from the left and it is dead wrong. Speaking of history...history has shown that ignoring or placating groups of mass murderers only emboldens them.

Did you ever stop and think how much worse the ISIS terrorism would be right now if ISIS was rampantly doing what they do unabated? Have you thought about how many more members ISIS would have, and how much better their recruitment effort would be if we didn't fight back against them? No, your side would prefer to send them flowers, and hope that they change and suddenly become nice. Well go ahead, your side can send them flowers, my side is going to send them bullets and explosives, right between their eyes.

Everybody, including Muslims, knows that the West is not anti-Muslim. And it's quite obvious, so your point about this being a "clash of civilizations" is really silly and invalid. However, we do need to shake-up average Muslims, and make them realize that there is a malignancy in their religion, and it is going to be removed one way or the other. Because radical Muslims constantly murdering innocent civilians throughout the West is not going to be tolerated. With strong leadership such as Donald Trump, ISIS and groups like it will be dealt with harshly, as harsh as it can be done.

[skinster]

Everybody, including Muslims, knows that the West is not anti-Muslim.

[MememyselfandIJK]

I do not want to repeat what I said again and again, but I will simply let these Islamic animals to make the case themselves.

We would decrease terrorism by a larger amount by deporting reactionaries and Christian/White extremists than we would by deporting Moslems.

All religion is bollocks - there are no gods, and no afterlife or reincarnation. Most people do their best to find ways to excuse their bad behaviour and say it's OK with their religion. But the psychopaths use it to justify murder or genocide. The problem in the world is the psychopaths, not one religion.

Give this guy a hive-five!

[noir]

British Labour party

[Suntzu]

Maxine Waters' sister?

[Decky]

All the left groups in Britain support mass Muslim immigration. They support it now, while they are in opposition and they support it if they ever come to power. No the left criticise the Tories for not letting in enough Muslims. Stalin may well have controlled immigration, Trotsky may well have as well if he'd succeeded Lenin to the throne, but that's totally irrelevant because the overwhelming majority of today's Stalinists and Trotskyists want more Muslim immigration not less.

I think you will find it is the right who supports mass Muslim migration, the centre right have been in power in the UK every year since 1979 when Jim Callaghan (our last left wing leader) was kicked out of power and what has immigration been like in the post 1979 world? The right can claim to be anti immigration as much as they like, actions speak louder than words.

[MememyselfandIJK]

May I point out that the platforms that many westerners describe as left are actually center right. Center-Left is democratic socialism (at the bare minimum, many leftists consider that more center than center left). A (highly simplified) diagram is below.

Far Left_____________Left________________Center-left ___________Center__________Center-Right______________Right________________Far Right
______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Communism________Socialism__________Democratic Socialism _____Centrism_________(Neo-)Liberalism___Conservatism/paleo-liberalism___Fascism/Nazism

[Suntzu]

Not a line but a circle.

[stephen50right]

Because it restricts the freedom of movement that, for decades, the west has been known for @Suntzu

Almost every Muslim country doesn't accept Israel passports. I sure don't see Jews strapping suicide vests to themselves and blowing up innocent civilians in Tehran over this or any other reason.

However, if Iran ever attacks Israel, they will get a different response than Israel typically dishes out to Hamas whenever they attack Israel.

[MememyselfandIJK]

Almost every Muslim country doesn't accept Israel passports. I sure don't see Jews strapping suicide vests to themselves and blowing up innocent civilians in Tehran over this or any other reason.

That would because Israeli citizenship can be revoked if one were to travel to Moslem nations.

[QatzelOk]

Almost every Muslim country doesn't accept Israel passports. I sure don't see Jews strapping suicide vests to themselves and blowing up innocent civilians in Tehran over this or any other reason.

Suicide bombers are relatively harmless compared to arms traders, spies or banksters - three murderous groups that Western countries welcome with open arms.

[Suntzu]

Almost every Muslim country doesn't accept Israel passports. I sure don't see Jews strapping suicide vests to themselves and blowing up innocent civilians in Tehran over this or any other reason.

However, if Iran ever attacks Israel, they will get a different response than Israel typically dishes out to Hamas whenever they attack Israel.

You talkin' nukes?

[Suntzu]

That would because Israeli citizenship can be revoked if one were to travel to Moslem nations.

Bullshit and you know it.

[MememyselfandIJK]

You talkin' nukes?

Nukes too...

Bullshit and you know it.

How so?
Israeli passport limitations

[Suntzu]

Nukes too...


How so?
Israeli passport limitations

Yep, Israel is reported to have maybe 300 nukes, all sophisticated. The travel ban is not enforced much like the travel ban of U.S. citizens to Cuba. On the other hand, Arab states do not allow folks carrying Israeli passports to enter so does it matter?

[MememyselfandIJK]

Both sides are at fault. I am simply pointing out the fact that Israel too is responsible.

[Suntzu]

Both sides are at fault. I am simply pointing out the fact that Israel too is responsible.

Takes two to tango.

[MememyselfandIJK]

Takes two to tango.

Precisely.