- 16 Jun 2017 18:08
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That's right. They are not western specific.
And you're wrong about diversity. Of course racism exists...get a grip. Or would you really want to climb down that hole?
Tell me something. Should I bring my daughter to the Arab world, do you think it would be a good idea or a bad idea for my daughter to wander about sight-seeing in a miniskirt?
Because for the most part, we do allow all people to adorn themselves in their customary fashion.
Dude...really...
Neither was I actually. At least not the overbearing value it appears to be in the Arab world.
I see.
Tell me, what school do you figure this fine lad attends?
Looks a little more like "indoctrination" to me.
Whadya think?
And not only is this young boy being "educated" he's being lectured in Diversity.
He's being taught to sing "May our blood be shed".
Figure he's singing about shedding blood in the name of Diversity?
Cool school, eh?
Is it?
There are currently people form all of these religious denominations and regions, migrating to the west (Europe mostly for now). They bring with them the deep desire to maintain the cultures of the societies they left. Many of them, or at least enough of them to create real alarm, are also motivated by hatred for the societies and cultures they've migrated to. I think it's safe to say that all of these denominations of Islam, from all of these regions, are causing global alarm.
I could just say, "I rest my case." now and be done with it.
However since you are so easily angered...
I don't particularly care which flavor of religion you follow.
But I'd be willing to bet you follow one of them...which one?
If the answer is really "none of the above", that would be a good thing.
I was pointing out that, as you said, a truly atheist leader would not have a chance in the Saudi lands, as the culture would not accept such a thing. They are driven by religious indoctrination. But maybe if I reduce this to your level it will help?
POWA BELONG TO ALL PEOPLE. BUT GREEDY FUCKAS TAKE POWA AWAY WIT RELIGION. DIS BE BAD.
IN WEST WE GOT SMART AND HAVE DEMOCRACY. RELIGION NOT SO IMPORTANT. DIS BE GOOD.
IT WOULD ALSO BE GOOD IF MUSLIM PEOPLE GET SMART TOO. MAYBE EVEN ALL ARABS?
get it...?
Killing people foir their religious beliefs, or lack there of, DOES NOT demonstrate intellect nor an acceptance of diversity. It does not reflect western values. it is...in a word...unacceptable.
Oxymandias wrote:@Buzz62
No and I never said that.
All those things are not Western specific. All those things are parts of what all humans value unless you want to tell me that ALL Middle Easterners and Chinese people do not value family, hard work, pleasure, strength, education, and diversity. Also diversity was only a "western value" until recently. Europe and America have had a very long history with racism from their beginnings in Greece and Rome. So diversity isn't it.
That's right. They are not western specific.
And you're wrong about diversity. Of course racism exists...get a grip. Or would you really want to climb down that hole?
Tell me something. Should I bring my daughter to the Arab world, do you think it would be a good idea or a bad idea for my daughter to wander about sight-seeing in a miniskirt?
Because for the most part, we do allow all people to adorn themselves in their customary fashion.
Oxymandias wrote:For your democracy value I guess you would have to exclude Europe which has had democracy only 60 years ago.
Dude...really...
Democracy in its earliest forms is generally associated with the efforts of the ancient Greeks and Romans, who were themselves considered the founders of Western civilization by the 18th century intellectuals who attempted to leverage these early democratic experiments into a new template for post-monarchical political organization.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_democracy
Oxymandias wrote:Ok, I don't care. I never said anything about religion being a value at all.
Neither was I actually. At least not the overbearing value it appears to be in the Arab world.
Oxymandias wrote:The first literally thing you see in the Quran is to read and to think about the Quran critically. The Quran states that in order to be Muslim you need to have an education and that you are obligated to be educated regardless of who you are.
I see.
Tell me, what school do you figure this fine lad attends?
Looks a little more like "indoctrination" to me.
Whadya think?
And not only is this young boy being "educated" he's being lectured in Diversity.
He's being taught to sing "May our blood be shed".
Figure he's singing about shedding blood in the name of Diversity?
Cool school, eh?
Oxymandias wrote:Also which "Muslim people" are you talking about? Do you mean Sunnis, Shi'as, Sufi's, Ismailis, Ahmadiyyais, etc.? Do you mean Syrians, Persians, Egyptians, Arabians, Lebanonians, Pakistanis, Afghans, Moroccans, Algerians, Libyans, Iraqis, etc.? So much for valuing diversity eh? I can't see how a person who values diversity would shove all Middle Easterners under "Muslim people" kind of stupid and pathetic isn't it?
Is it?
There are currently people form all of these religious denominations and regions, migrating to the west (Europe mostly for now). They bring with them the deep desire to maintain the cultures of the societies they left. Many of them, or at least enough of them to create real alarm, are also motivated by hatred for the societies and cultures they've migrated to. I think it's safe to say that all of these denominations of Islam, from all of these regions, are causing global alarm.
Oxymandias wrote:How is that relevant to my post? What does that have to do with what I was saying? Are you drunk or something? Are you implying I am Muslim just because I said I was Iranian? So much for diversity I guess. I think you should lower diversity to the 100s because I can't see how anyone who values diversity to have such a close-minded view of the world.
WTF does this have to do with what I said. I was talking about how an atheist Saudi ruler would not be accepted by his people and now you're just ranting about democracy and the West and shit. And not only that but your description of power is so stupid and ignorant. You misunderstood why democracy is effective and democracy's problems. You just decided to simplify it into a black and white problem:
THE WAY POWA WORKS IS THAT RELIGIONS GET THAT POWA (There's no other way to get power for some fucking reason) AND THEN THEY TAKE IT FROM PEOPLE WHICH HAVE HTE REALS POWA YAAAAA!! RELIGION BAD PEOPLE GOOD!!
See how stupid you sound? I can get into the nuances of why you are wrong but I don't want to waste my time on you. You seem like someone who doesn't contribute to the discussion anyways.
I could just say, "I rest my case." now and be done with it.
However since you are so easily angered...
I don't particularly care which flavor of religion you follow.
But I'd be willing to bet you follow one of them...which one?
If the answer is really "none of the above", that would be a good thing.
I was pointing out that, as you said, a truly atheist leader would not have a chance in the Saudi lands, as the culture would not accept such a thing. They are driven by religious indoctrination. But maybe if I reduce this to your level it will help?
POWA BELONG TO ALL PEOPLE. BUT GREEDY FUCKAS TAKE POWA AWAY WIT RELIGION. DIS BE BAD.
IN WEST WE GOT SMART AND HAVE DEMOCRACY. RELIGION NOT SO IMPORTANT. DIS BE GOOD.
IT WOULD ALSO BE GOOD IF MUSLIM PEOPLE GET SMART TOO. MAYBE EVEN ALL ARABS?
get it...?
Killing people foir their religious beliefs, or lack there of, DOES NOT demonstrate intellect nor an acceptance of diversity. It does not reflect western values. it is...in a word...unacceptable.