[skinster]

Putin is an opponent of the US's geopolitical interests and has made efforts to destabilize our politics.

Source?

[mikema63]

No doubt you'll dismiss it all as fake propaganda as you are wont to do with anything that doesn't follow your narrowly defined narrative but sure.

Let's just start with the US government stuff on russias direct attack on the election, you can just skip this section because frankly I don't think you'd believe it if Putin told you he'd done it to your face.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joi ... r-national

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... 9abbbace05

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s ... ck-n696146

https://web.archive.org/web/20170413224 ... -elections

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rin ... th-n761671

http://abcnews.go.com/US/russian-hacker ... d=42435822

https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... ishing.pdf

https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/top ... -election/


http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/ ... _says.html

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... nsa-report

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/us/p ... d-dnc.html



On russia spreading fake news in the US and use of bots to spread misinformation.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alimwatkins/in ... .ngYgNje5V

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/ ... mp-russian

http://www.thedailybeast.com/how-russia ... -trump-too

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/worl ... ation.html


That all took about 10 minutes of work to find, and is just a short selection. No doubt you don't give a shit about any of it.

[skinster]

Next you're going to tell me you believe your government cares about your wellbeing.

[skinster]

No evidence has yet to be offered. None. Zero. Zip. And regardless of that, we get the same shrill insistence from the liberal chattering class and their bots and their followers, who hang on and won’t let go. If only such persistence could be turned to other ends, like fighting racism, militarism or ecocide! I have been repeatedly disgusted to see so much propaganda spouted by people I’ve known for years who are “otherwise intelligent,” as they say (though my doubts about that characterization are growing).

One cannot take Russiagate seriously unless one sets aside all intellectual rigor. The theory only has credence within the arena of belief; it does not inhabit the world of facts. This is ironic considering the unremitting skepticism for “faith-based” ideas espoused within the very circles of educated liberals who refuse to let go of this shit.

No one seem cognizant of the size of the bite that’s been taken and how unchewable it is. That is to say, the people ferrying this crap are apparently oblivious that Russia-baiting could lead to very serious, planet-killing results. Do you really want to be poking a nuclear-armed bear with a sharp stick? ‘because that’s what you’re doing!

From my non-partisan perspective, it is obvious that Russiagate both plays cover for and justifies the increasingly belligerent behavior of the US toward Russia. Contrast how many people know about NATO’s provocative military maneuvers on Russia’s borders (see this, this, this and this) with the number who have heard the baseless accusations of “election hacking.” Imagine if Russia were holding military exercises along the Rio Grande in Mexico or establishing bases in Quebec. How would the US be reacting? With a flurry of drones, MOABs and white phosphorous, you can be sure. All things considered, I would say that Russia is being admirably restrained, but we cannot count on that lasting forever. Everyone has a breaking point.
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/06/16 ... agate-now/

I was talking about this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Useful_idiot

Which you are, for the Dem party, whether you know it or not.

[Beren]

US Rep. Ted Lieu (D-CA) Photograph by Alex Wong—Getty

Ted Lieu Says Congress Will Start Impeachment Process If Trump Fires Investigators

Lisa Marie Segarra
Jun 17, 2017

Representative Ted Lieu of California said he believes Congress will start the impeachment process if President Donald Trump fires special counsel Robert Mueller and Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.

"All Americans, regardless of party, agree on the fundamental principle that no one is above the law," Lieu said in an interview with MSNBC Friday. "And if President Trump were to fire Deputy Attorney General Rosenstein, and then got special counsel Mueller fired, I believe Congress would begin impeachment proceedings."

The remarks come after President Trump took to Twitter to claim there was a "witch hunt" against him and stating that he was personally under investigation for firing former FBI Director James Comey.

Congress seems to be serious on the issue.

[ArtAllm]

[Igor Antunov]

All talk, all smoke and mirrors. Going on 7 months now.

[Beren]

It takes some time to bring down a president.

[Igor Antunov]

On nothing but lies and fake sources. Sure, maybe it does.

[Beren]

On nothing but lies and fake sources. Sure, maybe it does.

How much time did it take to bring down Nixon?

This fake news nonsense is getting passe by the way.

[Nonsense]

[Quote] Since the collapse of the Soviet Union Russia evolved according to eugenic principles, only high-IQ-people get the leading positions in the military and politics.[Quote]

I think that we can agree that the above describes a 'meritocracy', rather different than the American or UK 'elitist' regimes that appropriate the nations resources to the rich & better-off.


We have a saying that, "Scum rises to the top", any country that has a 'democracy' that allows itself to have an incestuous relationship between politicians in power & big-business is not a 'democracy', it's a corrupt regime.

Strange how 'democracies' end up with such systems with the 'few' bagging such wealth, leaving the crumbs to fall off the table, leaving them at the bottom of the social-economic pile generation after generation & these elite construct a fiscal system that enables such disparities to remain.

[Nonsense]

You heard nonsense, the American people would never buy that Putin isn't the bestest dude in all the lands.

Russia is a shit country with a shit leader and shit politics. The sooner Putin and the oligarchs are gone the better. Maybe then someone will let chechnya know they need to cut it with the sick shit they are doing to gay people.

Go back to watching RT comrade nonsense.

Yeah, well, you missed an opportunity there my friend, I'm surprised that you didn't recommend FOX News.

[Igor Antunov]

How much time did it take to bring down Nixon?

This fake news nonsense is getting passe by the way.

They'll get him dis time! Bernie for prezident!



This fake witch hunt nonsense is getting passe by the way.

[Nonsense]

"Russia and China are not governed by crazy idiots with global geopolitical "interests" who believe that it is in their geopolitical interests,".

I think that you missed one off the list, AMERICA.

To be fair, 'power' is the ultimate objective of the 'leaders' of many countries throughout the world, the same is true of 'religious' 'leaders' etc, it's the mind-set of people that elect or not as the case may be, that is hard to fathom at times.

The same is true in 'democracies', but hey!, you get the government that you 'deserve' & what a lot of crap the majority of them are.
If we look back over the 1900's, are we better 'served' by those in the past that thought they were born to 'rule, that 'democracy' was just a 'rubber-stamp', or as of late where people's interest is stirred, yet the results are pretty much the same.

I have a 'theory' that most countries that are 'democratic', would be better 'served' if they could elect characters like Bart SIMPSON or some other fictitious example to 'lead', as they can do no 'wrong' & life may possibly be better as a result.

Whatever 'alternatives' there are, cannot be worse than those currently in vogue.

[Nonsense]

No doubt you'll dismiss it all as fake propaganda as you are wont to do with anything that doesn't follow your narrowly defined narrative but sure.

Let's just start with the US government stuff on russias direct attack on the election, you can just skip this section because frankly I don't think you'd believe it if Putin told you he'd done it to your face.

https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joi ... r-national

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... 9abbbace05

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s ... ck-n696146

https://web.archive.org/web/20170413224 ... -elections

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rin ... th-n761671

http://abcnews.go.com/US/russian-hacker ... d=42435822

https://assets.documentcloud.org/docume ... ishing.pdf

https://theintercept.com/2017/06/05/top ... -election/


http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/ ... _says.html

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/ ... nsa-report

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/us/p ... d-dnc.html



On russia spreading fake news in the US and use of bots to spread misinformation.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alimwatkins/in ... .ngYgNje5V

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/ ... mp-russian

http://www.thedailybeast.com/how-russia ... -trump-too

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/29/worl ... ation.html


That all took about 10 minutes of work to find, and is just a short selection. No doubt you don't give a shit about any of it.

No doubt about it, the media is a vehicle in which truth & facts are mostly inconvenient to the camera wielding desk-monkeys employed by the media.

It's circulation or viewer numbers that matter to them & nothing else.

[Beren]

They'll get him dis time! Bernie for prezident!

I'd suggest someone else:

America needs a good Lutheran to defeat the Axis of Evil.

Yes, it's an Earth orb they touch with their dirty hands!

This fake witch hunt nonsense is getting passe by the way.

The witch hunt nonsense is getting passe as well indeed, although it's just started. Any nonsense Trump comes up with seems to be getting passe faster and faster.

Now the public is completely confused about whether Comey was fired due to Rosenstein's recommendation or it was Trump's own idea, I wonder if Trump still knows himself how it actually happened.

Could Trump's "witch hunt" tweet come back to haunt him?

I'd advise him to tweet less but he must be addicted.

[anarchist23]

I love the irony of the US whinging about interference with a democratic election (well democraticish depending on what you think of the electoral college). How many elections has the CIA rigged all over the world? It is as hypothetical as Argentina moaning about colonialism or the Saudis chairing the UN human rights council or Obama's peace prize. How do American politicians keep a straight face as they do this stuff?

Definitely!
The USA supported every right wing dictatorships in the twentieth century. lol

1876–1911
Mexico. Porfirio Díaz. During the Porfiriato, tensions between the U.S. and Mexico were high.
1929–2000
Mexico Institutional Revolutionary Party
1908–1935
Venezuela Juan Vicente Gómez
1898–1920
Guatemala Manuel Estrada Cabrera
1931–1944
Guatemala
Jorge Ubic
1952–1959
Cuba Fulgencio Batista
1930–1961
Dominican Republic Rafael Trujillo Later overthrown with at least some aid from the CIA
1954–1986
Guatemala Efraín Ríos MonttJunta See also: 1954 Guatemalan coup d'état.
1979–1982
El Salvador Revolutionary Government Junta of El Salvador
1971–1978
Bolivia Hugo Banzer
1976–1983
Argentina National Reorganization Process
1964–1985
Brazil Brazilian military government
1936–1979
Nicaragua Somoza family
1957–1971
Haiti François Duvalier
1971–1986
Haiti Jean-Claude Duvalier
1968–1981
Panama Omar Torrijos
1983–1989
Panama Manuel Noriega Later overthrown by US in Operation Just Cause in 1989.
1954–1989
Paraguay Alfredo Stroessner
1973–1990
Chile Augusto Pinochet
1948–1960
South Korea
Syngman Rhee
1958–1969
Pakistan Ayub Khan
1991–present
Azerbaijan Heydar AliyevIlham Aliyev
1991–present
Kazakhstan Nursultan Nazarbaye
1961–1979
South Korea Park Chung-hee
1979–1988
South Korea Chun Doo-hwan
1955–1963
South Vietnam Ngo Dinh Diem Later assassinated in a US-backed coup.Arrest and assassination of Ngo Dinh Diem.
1970–1975
Cambodia Lon Nol
1969–1971
Pakistan Yahya Khan
1941–1979
Iran Mohammad Reza Pahlavi See also: 1953 Iranian coup d'état.
1985–1987
Iran Ruhollah Khomeini
See also: Iran–Contra affair.
1965–1986
Philippines Ferdinand Marcos
1978–1988
Pakistan Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq
1982–1990
Iraq Saddam Hussein Later seen as an enemy of US in the Gulf War and deposed in the Iraq War. See: United States support for Iraq during the Iran–Iraq war.
1956–1968
Indonesia Suharto[
See also: Allen Lawrence Pope.
1959–present
Singapore People's Action Party
1984–present
Brunei Hassanal Bolkia
2011–present
Vietnam Trương Tấn Sang
2014–present
Thailand Prayut Chan-o-cha
1949–1953
Syria al-Za'im-Shishkali-al-Hinnawi Junta See: Husni al-Za'im, Adib Shishakli, Sami al-Hinnawi.
1990–present
Uzbekistan Islam Karimo
1999–2008
Pakistan Pervez Musharraf
1990–2012
Yemen Ali Abdullah Saleh
1994–present
Tajikistan Emomali Rahmon
2006–present
Turkmenistan Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedo
1945–present
Saudi Arabia House of Saud
1999–present
Bahrain Hamad bin Isa Al Khalifa
1995–2013
Qatar Hamad bin Khalifa Al Thani
1970–present
Oman Qaboos bin Said al Said
1954–present
Jordan Hashemite Dynasty
1994–present
United Arab Emirates United Arab Emirates
1961–1999
Morocco King Hassan II
1969–1985
Sudan Nimeiry
1980–1990
Liberia Samuel Doe
1991–2012
Ethiopia Meles Zenawi
1979–present
Equatorial Guinea Teodoro Obiang Nguema Mbasogo
1965–1997
Zaire, Democratic Republic of the Congo
Mobutu Sese Seko
1982–1990
Chad Hissène Habre
1981–2011
Egypt Hosni Mubarak
2012–2013
Egypt Mohamed Morsi
1990–present
Chad Idriss Déby
1986–present
Uganda Yoweri Museveni
1987–2011
Tunisia Zine El Abidine Ben Ali
2000–present
Rwanda Paul Kagame
1936–1975
Spain Francisco Franco At times opposed diplomatically because of fascist leanings.
1933–1974
Portugal António de Oliveira Salazar
1941–1945
Soviet Union Joseph Stalin
Later considered an enemy of the US. See Cold War.
1967–1974
Greece Greek military junta
1980–1989
Turkey Turkish military junta
1955–1980
Yugoslavia Josip Broz Tito
1969–1989
Romania Nicolae Ceaușescu
1941–1975
Republic of China Chiang Kai-Shek[96]
1948–1957
Thailand Plaek Phibunsongkhram

[Nonsense]

Definitely!
The USA supported every right wing dictatorships in the twentieth century. lol

I agree, you might say that they have both 'form'(history)& hypocrisy about them.

[AFAIK]

So what exactly did Russia do? Did they hack electronic voting machines and change the count in order to secure a win for their preferred candidate? If so the USA's response is a hilarious joke.

911 what's your emergency?
My neighbour stole my car!
OK I'll block his phone no.
Can you help me get my car back?
The car is his now.

[Rugoz]

The USA supported every right wing dictatorships in the twentieth century.

Right-wing totalitarianism was practically defeated after WW2. Left-wing totalitarianism was the bigger threat. You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.