[Beren]

Over 100 000 muslims live in Cologne itself. No, it wouldn't have been difficult. Stop making excuses.

So do you believe only some hundreds of them oppose Islamic terrorism?

[Albert]

Stop making excuses Baren, just face up to reality and be a man.

[noir]

They don't call it terrorism. It's jihad and it's always just. Non Muslims can't grasp it.

[Saeko]

And according to eyewitnesses, half of them weren't MENA. So they were either converts or "progressives," meaning to show solidarity (aka push up the numbers so that they wouldn't look as dismal).

Yes, I'd say this rally is a strong statement about the muslimic stance towards Islamic terrorism. Very unambiguous.

There are more Muslims in London alone who protested to demand a Caliphate:

http://us.blastingnews.com/world/2016/1 ... 34617.html

[Beren]

They don't call it terrorism. It's jihad and it's always just. Non Muslims can't grasp it.

Germany is not Israel, stop claiming things work the same there.

[noir]

Islamic view

On October 6, 2001, Sheikh Wajdi Hamzeh al-Ghazawi, speaking in one of the main mosques of Mecca, gave the Islamic definition of terror:
The [kind of] terror [in Arabic, “striking of fear”] that is permissible according to Islamic law is terrifying the cowards, the hypocrites, the secularists, and the rebels, by imposing punishments [according to the religious] law of Allah…. The meaning of the term “terror” that is used by the media … is the jihad for the sake of Allah. Jihad is the peak of Islam. Moreover, there are religious scholars who view it as the sixth pillar of Islam…. Jihad—whether speaking about the defensive jihad for Muslim lands and Islam like in Chechnya, the Philippines, and Afghanistan, or whether speaking about jihad whose purpose is the spread of religion—is the pinnacle of terror as far as the enemies of Allah are concerned.

[Frollein]

Germany is not Israel, stop claiming things work the same there.

But muslims are muslims and jihad is jihad.

This, btw, is another rally in Cologne, with 20 000 muslims - after the so-called putsch, they demonstrated their solidarity for Erdogan. Apparently, they could be "reached" for that.

[Beren]

But muslims are muslims and jihad is jihad.

And politics is politics, which has more to do with that miserably failed rally than anything. Mazyek, with whom the Turkish living in Germany refused to cooperate, simply couldn't organise a rally because of political reasons and lack of outreach to the Muslims in Germany. He's an FDP politician anyways, which party has problems with reaching out to people in Germany in general regardless of their religion. This is a typical political failure and doesn't prove anything regarding Muslims in Germany at all.

[Saeko]

And politics is politics, which has more to do with that miserably failed rally than anything. Mazyek, with whom the Turkish living in Germany refused to cooperate, simply couldn't organise a rally because of political reasons and lack of outreach to the Muslims in Germany. He's an FDP politician anyways, which party has problems with reaching out to people in Germany in general regardless of their religion. This is a typical political failure and doesn't prove anything regarding Muslims in Germany at all.

Nothing ever seems to.

[Beren]

Nothing ever seems to.

Well, I never really know what to do with bullshits like that, but it really seems like Mazyek's failure in this case. I guess he wanted to boost his political profile but failed miserably. Erdogan's Turks can organise big rallies in Germany of course, Mazyek can't.

[ThirdTerm]

But Germany’s largest Islamic organization, the Turkish Ditib union, which organized Germany’s first Muslim anti-terror march in November 2004, attended by around 25,000 people, has refused to take part in the march saying it stigmatizes Muslims as being solely responsible for terrorism.

“Calls for ‘Muslim’ anti-terror demos fall too short, stigmatize Muslims, and constrict international terrorism to being just among them, and within their communities and mosques,” Ditib wrote in a statement to justify the much-criticized decision.

“We welcome public action, but reject the way in which this march has been organized,” Ditib said.

The association also rebuked the march organizers for choosing a time during the fasting period of Ramadan. Instead of marching, Ditib will hold Friday prayers for peace in its nationwide mosques.

http://www.newsweek.com/thousands-musli ... any-626704

This Newsweek article is more informative about this Turkish Muslim organisation in Germany, which hosted an anti-terror rally in 2004. Probably the Turkish group does not like the organisers of the event. According to local police, the PKK supporters attacked demonstrators with stones and firecrackers as they were peacefully marching and it may be something to do with the PKK.

[Beren]

This Newsweek article is more informative about this Turkish Muslim organisation in Germany, which hosted an anti-terror rally in 2004. Probably the Turkish group does not like the organisers of the event.

Of course they don't. I wouldn't be surprised if they held their own rally soon.

[neopagan]

I am not going to dismiss the rally as entirely worthless, but it is under the multicultural umbrella of a Western nation, so it looks more like an attempt to take the heat of Muslim in the West, other than an actual moral stand against what is preached directly from the Koran. And it has only taken them about 25 years to get around to having such compunction. Not in my name, is a nice sentiment, but it is a cop-out. Of course the murders are not carried out in the name of individuals. They are committed in the name of Allah and the Koran. So if they are going to reject anything, it should be those Islamic teachings. But how do you contradict the holy prophet of God?

You have to recognise that secularism is the thing that is ultimately under threat here. Secularism in any large demographic, is a historically recent development and the gains that have been made in some societies are being eroded by those who wish to confer on religions some kind of philosophical or moral credit. Religion is superstition and ignorance. We need to stand up for secularism or it will be trampled by these low-brows.

[The Sabbaticus]

Turkey is financing the pan-European Islamofauxbia industry. The official stance of Erdogan's Turkey is that Europe is fundamentally racist, xenophobic and Islamophobic. Ditib has apparently adopted a similar stance, by suggesting that Muslims shouldn't be connected to terrorism. The idea alone is 'Islamophobic'.

There also appear to be ties with Mili Gorus (Islamist supremacist organization).

[noir]

Dlt

[Frollein]

Probably the Turkish group does not like the organisers of the event.

Of course, cultivating your personal vendettas must have a higher priority than making a strong political statement of adhering to your host country's values. You do know that refusing to protest against islamic terror is as good as declaring that they're condoning it? If you have trouble with that thought, just exchange islam with the nazis - the reaction to that trigger word is so effective that it should become clear immediately.

If anything, that refusal shows this parallel society's contempt for its host - and that's how it is understood by the population, the politicians (even though they're still kowtowing to them with carefully chosen words), and the media.

So I'm not at all outraged or something I'm always for clear demarcations, so that everyone knows where they stand.

[Igor Antunov]

Anti-terrorism rally < 3000, Pro-Erdogan Rally > 20,000. Liberal media delusion = Infinite

[Frollein]

Just to show that muslims can be arsed to demonstrate, even when it's 25°C: this is from June 23rd (still Ramadan, btw, guys!)





But march against islamic terror?

Nope.

Doesn't concern them.

Which is what I'll say to anyone crying about "most victims of islamic terrorism are other muslims."

If they don't care, why should I?

(and before anyone clings to the fig leaf boy in the first picture: this is the yearly al-quds day, where these people can shout "jews into the gas" in Germany without getting a quick trip to jail like the rest of us. And it's organized by the brothers of our "minister for integration" Özoguz, Social Democrat - that's on the left, if anyone is wondering)

[noir]

By the dress of the first pic, they are Shia. Right now they are stacked in a world war, no need to be excited by the demo. ISIS is Sunni who vowed to slaughter all the Shia and vice versa