skinster wrote:What a timely article (for me ) since I just completed the trilogy documentary which is all about this (trailer here) how neocons are still pulling the strings as far as foreign policy is concerned and how they wanted fellow neocon Hillary to win the last election.
This is why I wrote "Trump calls it like it is; the establishment can't take it." Even the moderators here think that if they can somehow stop the discussion, the neocons will somehow get back into power. Their game is old and tired now. Even their Russia story line and the Mueller investigation is seen as pathetic by people who are no longer defending the neoconservatives.
skinster wrote:People did though, remember? A lot of people wanted Bernie Sanders to be the nominee for the Democrats, but Clinton in collusion with the DNC, stole the nominee.
Exactly right. They also were soft on Trump, because they thought he was a sure loser. Frankly, the neocons just suck, and they're extremely violent.
mikema63 wrote:No, he lost fair and square. He lost by more in places with higher turnout and he never broke into African american voters.
The DNC and Soros co-ordinated with Black Lives Matter to stage protests at Sanders rallies. What they didn't count on is that this was offensive to a lot of white working class people who decided to vote Trump instead.
mikema63 wrote:I think a better candidate, like Elizabeth Warren, can do better in the next primary and even win by learning the lesson.
She will lose badly. The electorate is tired of identity politics.
mikema63 wrote:Well if you say so I'll just pretend that the 3.5 million more people who voted for her don't matter somehow because the democratic party used illegal immigrant votes or whatever.
That doesn't matter. The big cities on the coasts won't get you around the electoral college. That's why running Elizabeth Warren is a time waster. You should be trying to get someone like Steve Bullock on the ballot so you can at least win Montana, Colorado, and peel off a mid-West state like Indiana. If you're going to go with the identity politics candidate, you've not learned the lesson of why Trump was able to beat a Democrat in their own states.
skinster wrote:Anyway, back on topic: I think it's time to hang the neocons. Or at a minimum, stop them in their tracks.
Well, they certainly need some time in the woodshed. They've fucked things up around the world, and people are tired of their game.
Buzz62 wrote:However they did get caught trying, and when the news went public, I'd strongly suspect allot of Dumbocratic-inclined voters, finally felt they just could not continue to support such crap. Et voila...instant Donny-Boy.
Well that, and basically only Sanders and Trump spoke to the effects of neoliberal/neoconservative trade policies and their effect on jobs and household income.
Quantum wrote:This Russia hysteria is getting on my nerves. When did your average boneheaded liberal become a cheerleader for imperialism? America and its cronies overthrew democratically elected leaders like Mossadegh, Arbenz Allende and tried to overthrow Chavez but a bunch of Russians somehow managed to subvert the most powerful country in the world.
Yes, it's pretty tiresome. They did overthrow Saddam Hussein's government, are trying to do the same to Assad, and overthrew the government of Ukraine plunging it into civil war. Russia may be the largest country on Earth, but even Mexico has a bigger economy.
skinster wrote:The neocons have been pushing the anti-Russia hysteria for quite some time. Of course the Dems, who have aligned with them would continue with it, plus it helped distract from Dems shit-awful corrupt-as-fuck candidate who lost the election to someone even worse.
Right, but as you were saying earlier, don't vote for the neocon. Trump isn't a neocon.
The Immortal Goon wrote:The city of Atlanta opposes Jim Crow. Do they have a right to oppose the state's local law by being more local?
No. In the United States, the states are sovereign. Cities are just municipal corporations.
Decky wrote:Apathy and idealism is Mike's code for not voting for a right wing Tyrant who handed Libya to jihadis. Why would anyone on the left want anything to do with Killery or the Democrats? They are on the hard right by the developed world's standard.
Very good point. That's why Sanders had so much traction.
skinster wrote:American politicians get $$$$$$$ from health insurance companies and big pharma so write laws that serve them instead of the people.
This is yet another reason Trump is making the establishment look pathetic.
Buzz62 wrote:The same people are still buying the same politicians.
Thus the public has little to no say in the direction the USA takes.
Yes, but they elected Trump. A guy with zero political experience was preferred over pretty much everyone else. What does the establishment do? They come up with this ridiculous Russia story and try to prosecute him. It still hasn't even occurred to them why they lost. They are so used to rigging elections, that they don't understand voter anger at the neocon/neolib cabal.
One Degree wrote:There is no solution for a health care system that demands more than the public can pay. Trying to figure out who should pay for it is senseless, when no one has the money.
That's exactly why talking about nationalization, public options, or single payer is a time waster. Until the cabal is broken, anything like a public option would simply bankrupt the US.
Dave wrote:Senator Pat Toomey (R-PA) admitted that Congressional Republicans didn't think Trump was going to win, and therefore they didn't bother having any legislation at all ready.
Exactly. That's why I wrote "Trump calls it like it is; the establishment can't take it." Very few people seem to understand why Trump won, and why he'll likely win again.
Dave wrote:You'd think that maybe at some point in time in the past eight years they could've written a few bills to enact as soon as a Republican President came into office again, but I guess that would be too much work?
Yep. The Democrats are doing exactly the same thing. The Russia story is just an excuse to do nothing for two years and collect a pay check.
One Degree wrote:Wishful thinking is all the democrats have.
Well that, and the Republicans are fucking up mightily.
One Degree wrote:The GOP is likely to lose seats in the mid-term elections for the banal reason that the incoming President's party nearly always loses seats in the subsequent mid-terms.
Well that, and Trump has exposed them as a bunch of liars. He openly taunts them for voting to repeal ObamaCare for 7 years and now won't do it. People who voted straight repeal are afraid of what? Democrats won't vote for them? They already don't. Wanting the Democrats to like you is a time waster. They are a coastal party now.
Dave wrote:It's possible that it's simply too late to save the United States of America and the country will not exist in its present form a half century from now.
That is an inevitability. You cannot have open borders and free trade and a welfare state. If we continue with open borders and free trade, Social Security and Medicare will inevitably die. You simply cannot outsource your tax base and expect to fund a welfare state.
Decky wrote:When was the last time any modern nation had a period of total political stagnation that lasted for 50 years?
Decky wrote:The US government will massacre as many of its own people as it needs to massacre in order to prevent states or combinations of states exercising any kind of self determination let alone breaking off and forming new nations.
That ultimately means the right will win, because the military is primarily composed of red state Americans. Leftists in America view military service as beneath their dignity.
Decky wrote:Do you really think the rednecks would be able to run a state that would function at a first world level? It would be like Poland but with less history and culture.
There's always West Virginia...
"We have to send a clear message. Just because your child gets across the border, that doesn't mean the child gets to stay."
-- Hillary Clinton