noemon wrote:The Visegrad administrations are merely trying to cash in the current anti-immigrant political bandwagon. They are not acting decisively against anything but merely trying to stay in power with circus and theatre like everybody else. They are not in a mission for anything other than keeping their chairs and these countries have never been in any multi-cultural danger of any kind.
I do not speak Polish, Hungarian, etc. so my perspective is limited, but it seems that they are accomplishing things in this department. Most obviously the construction of a border fence (I realize non-Visegrad states have done this as well) and the refusal to accept refuges.
All these nations have to do is gaze west over the Oder-Neisse line to see how quickly multiculturalism metastasizes. There is also quite a large Polish diaspora in the United States which must mean many Poles have learned about the multicultural transformation of the United States.
They are doing it only because that is what populists do when you let them do it, they extend their time and grip on the chair. When you concentrate power in the chair you also risk that power falling to the wrong hands, which it most certainly will if it's not already there.
Yes, this is clearly true. Taking advantage of a crisis to seize power is the oldest trick in the book.
Civic rights decline when governments like the one in Poland remove civic rights from their people and others support that decline. All these things happen when people let them happen by providing tacit or explicit approval. And then it comes down to very simple things in our every day lives.
The governments west of the Oder-Neisse have been proliferating "hate speech" laws and prosecutions, which is an obvious assault on civic rights.
This occurs in the Visegrad states as well--Richard Spencer was arrested in Budapest and deported, which certainly seems contrary to Viktor Orban's image.
Bizarrely, Germany's new social media control legislation has been cloned by the United Russia Party and introduced as legislation in the State Duma.
noemon wrote:Does one support the idea of families and birth rates? Having children is far more productive than blaming homosexuality & immigrants for example.
This is a false dichotomy. If one's goal is to expand the national family, then promoting cultural and political conditions which are conducive to that is mandatory. This promotion is ofc far more effective when you "walk the walk".
There are also immigration restrictionists and nationalists who don't promote larger families and think population decline is positive. John Derbyshire frequently cites Japan as a positive example.
noemon wrote:Does one support the advancement of civic rights, then speak out against the Polish actions. Does one support the post-war international order? Then speak out against those states that undermine it.
With respect to the European Union, it was Germany that illegally undermined the Dublin Convention and thus made today's Poland possible.
And internationally the main underminer of the postwar order would be the United States, often aided and abetted by its European allies.
Everything you believe is wrong. Yes, you!Boom. You just got Dave'd.