[Zionist Nationalist]

back up what?

the fact that Arab countries suck? I dont think I need to back this up the facts are out there

[One Degree]

@One Degree

What even is the rationality behind such a thing? :?:

Do parents want their children to be used as advertising?

Got me. I could never figure it out. The worse was school assemblies to teach kids sales techniques for these worthless products.

[Political Interest]

It just amazes me that some people think that Europe needs to just open it's doors and that the Europeans must tolerate this. If Europeans protest they are racists and there is nothing they can do about it.

Why don't such people be honest and admit that they are racists who hate Europeans? They won't because they are cowards who hide behind the banner of progressivism. What they really advocate is ethnic chauvinism.

[Oxymandias]

@Zionist Nationalist

The fact that Middle Easterners can't build anything. Where the fuck do you think architecture was founded in?

[Zionist Nationalist]

@Zionist Nationalist

The fact that Middle Easterners can't build anything. Where the fuck do you think architecture was founded in?

Im not talking about buildings

Im talking about building a proper functioning country and society something that the middle east lacks

[Oxymandias]

@Zionist Nationalist

Iran, UAE, Turkey, and unfortunately Saudi Arabia are all properly functioning and stable countries and societies. The form of government is irrelevant here, what you are talking about is stability and if you aren't then you should cross America, Greece, Britain, France, and Hungary from the list.

[Zionist Nationalist]

@Zionist Nationalist

Iran, UAE, Turkey, and unfortunately Saudi Arabia are all properly functioning and stable countries and societies. The form of government is irrelevant here, what you are talking about is stability and if you aren't then you should cross America, Greece, Britain, France, and Hungary from the list.

Iran is a medieval dictatorship
Turkey is moving towards authoritarianism
and UAE is just full of oil
Saudi Arabia same as Iran just full of oil

[Oxymandias]

@Zionist Nationalist

Stability doesn't have to do with form of government. Iran, Turkey, UAE, and Saudi Arabia are functioning countries and societies that have a moderate amount of stability. Saudi Arabia is more stable than America but that doesn't mean that Saudi Arabia has to be heaven on earth. North Korea is probably very stable but that doesn't mean it's also heaven on earth.


Also what is especially "medieval" about Iran? Also it's a theocracy where there's a small amount of democratic representation ruled by a vanguard party similar to China. Iran is becoming progressively lest authoritarian. You just added medieval in there because you need to associate the Middle East with backwardness every single time. If you don't your political beliefs don't work.

"Full of oil" isn't an argument. What does that have to do with stability?

[Zionist Nationalist]

ok those countries are currently stable in terms of security
but they have backward societies some of them have shariah laws
those are not civilized countries

[Oxymandias]

@Zionist Nationalist

So your point is wrong. You were wrong about the big ME. You admitted it yourself and if you edit it out later, you'll only look stupid with context.

What is considered "civilized" is subjective. "Civilized" as a term was created to be subjective. Iran isn't as "backwards" as you think it is and government isn't society or culture.

[Deutschmania]

I don't exactly know what to make of this issue . I have read essays by two respective women emigres from Iran , arguing opposing viewpoints , and I think that both of them raised some worthwhile points < http://maryamnamazie.com/the-veil-must-be-opposed/ , https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/dec/12/gender.uk > . I have thereby noticed that among Communists such as both these two women , as well as myself , opinion is divided . And apparently , going by comments made by the likes of Dave , our newest resident neo-fascist , views of fascists on Muslims in Europe has largely shifted against them . For it used to be that the Axis Powers were conducent towards Muslims < https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relatio ... Arab_world , http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-an ... with-islam , http://greyfalcon.us/Kosovo%20and%20Bos ... r%20II.htm > . And as the National Socialist German Workers Party's own platform stated , " 24. We demand freedom for all religious faiths in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or offend the moral and ethical sense of the Germanic race.

The party as such represents the point of view of a positive Christianity without binding itself to any one particular confession. It fights against the Jewish materialist spirit within and without, and is convinced that a lasting recovery of our folk can only come about from within on the principle: " - http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/nsdappro.asp .

[Zionist Nationalist]

@Zionist Nationalist

So your point is wrong. You were wrong about the big ME. You admitted it yourself and if you edit it out later, you'll only look stupid with context.

What is considered "civilized" is subjective. "Civilized" as a term was created to be subjective. Iran isn't as "backwards" as you think it is and government isn't society or culture.

What big ME? and I edit only to fix typos or add things I dont delete anything

it is backward because it does not allow freedom to its people

women are forced to cover themselves
strict religious rules that are being forced on everyone dont eat this dont drink that and so on
public executions

[Oxymandias]

@Zionist Nationalist

ME = Middle East.

Neoreactionaires are people who think that freedom as a concept is backwards and that serfdom and monarchy are the future. Backwardness is subjective.

Then this means that only recently has Europe and America ever been civilized or unbackward. By the 1950s women and minorities weren't even allowed to vote.

[Ned Lud]

@Ned Lud

But why can't we destroy those prejudices? Why can't we let anyone wear whatever they want? Culture isn't static, it changes. Something alien one day can potentially be normal in the next and vice versa. The idea of "culture as static" is nothing more than nationalist and conservative drivel.

Also I doubt that a face veil is alien to your culture. If you saw someone walking around in a ninja suit or someone covering their face with a Luchador you wouldn't give a shit and probably would have a laugh. However if it's a face veil that looks Middle Eastern and implies that the person is Muslim is apparently horrible.

I don't think culture is static, but when we've been invading and murdering in so many Muslim countries, it is not a good time for us to be telling them what to do. Where I live, equal communication always implies seeing the face, so I think we should stand firm on that. I don't think veils are anything to do with Islam myself - just an antique Middle Eastern tradition that will disappear in time. In my own view both west and east turn women into objects, to be presented either as sexual temptation or covered up to remove temptation, but in times of Crusade/Jihad like the present I prefer to keep my mouth shut.

[skinster]

Bunch of dudes telling women what they should or shouldn't be wearing.

Yay.

[One Degree]

Bunch of dudes telling women what they should or shouldn't be wearing.

Yay.

Women who think what they want to wear should be important to anyone except themselves.

[Ter]

It is beekeeper's fashion.
Actually, our Muslim brothers can still control their women.
They never have to ask "Who is your daddy?".
In the West, the women are running helter skelter, working outside the house and mating here and there.
Oy vey.

[skinster]

Men being typically gross and entitled men. How interesting.

[Rich]

Accidental double post.

[Rich]

but when we've been invading and murdering in so many Muslim countries, it is not a good time for us to be telling them what to do.

This nonsense is constantly trotted out. Were Americans murderers when they intervened in France in WWII? Because the bombing we did in Iraq in 2003 and Libya in 2011, was nothing compared to what we did in France in 1943 to 1944. Some French wanted America to invade some didn't, exactly the same as in Iraq. When Britain and America invaded French North Africa in 1942, the French arguably put up more resistance than the Iraqis in 2003, they certainly caused more casualties.

I'm sorry to break it to you lefties, but I remember your arguments back in 2003, you won't get away with while I'm around. Lefties weren't afraid that Iraq was going to be a disaster, they were terrified that it was going to be a great success like Grenada, Panama, Bosnia Kosovo and even Afghanistan seemed to be back in early 2003. Not that I ever supported the cretinous occupation of Afghanistan, Air and special forces support for the Northern alliance was all that was required. I remember arguing lefties and saying "Don't worry no ones going to be thanking America." But of course America got precious little thanks for liberating France in WWII, at least the Shia and Kurdish opposition never claimed to have liberated themselves like de Gaulle did.

The only people who consistently oppose cooperation with western Infidels are ISIS and lefties constantly tell us that they have nothing to do with Islam. Muslims are constantly asking us to intervene in Muslim countries.