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Prosthetic Conscience wrote:But here you are, still determined, over a month later, to make it into an attack on Trump supporters; while ignoring the total insanity several right wing posters showed in that thread of being desperate to link Paddock to Islam (he's a Muslim! He converted! His wife is a Muslim! He was Antifa!

Primarily noir. Yet, we still don't know what his motivation was at this point.

Prosthetic Conscience wrote:In actual fact, hardly anyone condemned the shooting explicitly - most of the people you name didn't, for instance. But that's because we do all assume that a massacre is obviously bad, whether we're on the left, right, or denying that labels are meaningful.

Right. However, the notion that all of the people on the right were responsible for Heather Heyer dying, or for starting the violence and so forth was total rubbish. That backfired very badly, because there were way too many witnesses. I don't know how it will all get sorted out. However, one of the ironies of the event is that left wingers looked up the driver's license plate, found the previous owner of the car and started sending death threats. The police told the previous owner to leave his home for his safety. Clearly, the left was on the war path.

That doesn't excuse violence on the right, but it does provide a rational explanation for what transpired. Take this for example: Bond again denied for suspect in Charlottesville Aug. 12 garage beating following Unite the Right rally

Assistant Commonwealth’s Attorney Nina Antony presented footage of the garage beating and pointed out the moment she said Ramos saw the attack happening and jumped in to participate.

As alt-right protesters moved up Market Street after an unlawful assembly was declared at Emancipation Park, counter protesters followed the group.

Ok. Are you following this? This is what people have been saying the whole time. Not everyone on the right was violent until they were first provoked. The police declared an unlawful assembly, and the Unite the Right people left. Then, they were followed by the Antifa and BLM folks. Even the Commonwealth's attorney has to stipulate to that because of the video footage. The left was looking for a fight and they got what they were looking for.

At one point, Antony said, Harold Cruz was carrying a flag and, as someone grabbed the flag away from him, a struggle ensued in front of the Market Street parking garage.

Ok. Now we have a robbery by the counter protesters. That's a criminal act. It's not ok to do that.

At that point, Harris appeared to swing a flashlight at Cruz and a group rushed at Harris and began beating him, Antony said.

Ok. Now we have aggravated assault, which is a felony by the counter protester Harris at Cruz. So what did the protesters do? They beat the counter protester who had committed felony aggravated assault.

As Harris scrambled backward into the parking garage, Antony said, the group followed him. As Harris lay curled up on the ground, the group continued to kick, punch and swing sticks at him — at which point, Antony said, Ramos can be seen jumping over people and striking Harris on his head and shoulders.

So who's fee fees are hurt now? They tried to take Cruz's flag, engaged in felony aggravated assault, and the protesters met the counter protester with what? The same thing. Felony aggravated assault. Who started it? The BLM/Antifa folks. It's on videotape. Who's getting prosecuted? The Hispanic "white supremacist."

A defenseless young man? That's how the prosecutor sees it? Really? He just committed a felony aggravated assault without any other provocation than the free expression of a view he didn't like. That is how a lot of this went down. More than a few of you on this board have plainly excused the initiation of violence against the Unite the Right protesters. In this instant case, the initial victims were Hispanic and were attacked by black protesters. When they kicked the black guy's ass for stealing Cruz's flag and hitting him with a flashlight, suddenly the black perpetrator became a defenseless victim.

So as I see it, the basic problem you have here is that the person who first robbed Cruz of his flag, and Harris, who committed aggravated assault on Cruz, will probably not get charged. Yet, Harris, who instigated a violent felony aggravated assault is now--boo hoohoohoo--a defenseless man undergoing a felony assault as a response to a felony assault he instigated without provocation himself. You do not have to agree with the Unite the Right protesters. Clearly, Mayor Singer does not. However, if you are going to prosecute people who respond to a felony assault with a felony assault after the police decide to allow things to devolve into a melee, you are only prosecuting one side of the equation when it is clearly a mutual combat at worst. That's not seen as fair to people who were otherwise behaving lawfully and leaving the scene as the police had asked them to do. They left the scene of what was previously a lawful assembly until the Antifa and BLM folks showed up.

If that doesn't make sense to you--and I'm not saying that it's agreeable to you--then you will probably not understand why someone like Ramos found sympathy in the community so that he could make bond. Yet, it was denied anyway.

Hannah Zarski, mother of five young children, said she and her husband were willing to host Ramos at their house if he was granted bond. She said she thought about hosting him after she attended one of his last court hearings and heard the judge say he would be more comfortable granting bond if Ramos had some tie to the community.

Since then, she and Ramos have spoken about a dozen times and she has talked to his roommate in Georgia to assess any risk to her own family. Ultimately, she said she felt comfortable having him live in her home.


Also, you should note that both Cruz and Ramos are Hispanic names. The left is in a constant battle trying to win over Hispanics and use them against whites, but they call Hispanics whites when they are charged with crimes against blacks and then play up the race card. So you can see why Hispanics are not necessarily going to be a lock for the Democratic Party in the same way that working class whites are no longer a lock for them. Identity politics is destroying the old coalition and the new one is too volatile to comprise a stable majority.

Prosthetic Conscience wrote: That thread has been second only to this one in displaying the complete hopelessness of discussing anything with you and your cohort of paranoid bigots.

It's not paranoia if they're out to get you... Honestly, if you really think neo-Nazis are bad, how does it make sense to walk around in the street while they're driving around you? If you believe they are dangerous, it makes sense to stay away from them. That didn't happen. The BLM/Antifa folks went looking for trouble, and they got it. No, that doesn't make violence other than lawful resistance acceptable. However, it does make it understandable, and you should spend at least some time reflecting on that fact in view of the many people here who think it is a-ok to initiative violence against people whose views they disagree with.
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Libertarian353 wrote:You're confusing police and alt-right, but yes it's racist for Blacks to say their lives matter. How dare Blacks care about themselves, they should worship us. "Wez Godz N Sheet, Wez builtz da Collacums and Romez"

I didn't say that black peoples' lives don't matter. You ASSUMED that, or are just producing hollow sound-bytes. Either way, it's very small of you to put words in my mouth.

Libertarian353 wrote:https://news.vice.com/story/these-are-the-laws-donald-trump-jr-might-have-broken

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 728467001/

The law is the law, right? :lol:

Indeed it is, and if Donny Jr and Keushner are guilty of something, they should be charged. What did you think? That posting this would get me all wound up?
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http://www.breezejmu.org/news/witness-o ... 87728.html

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    Gilmore entered the public eye after recording the video of James Fields — who traveled from Ohio to participate in the white nationalist protests — plowing through a crowd of counter-protesters and killing Heather Heyer, a Charlottesville native protesting against the white supremacist rally.

    “I watched him barrel down that street as fast as he could and then slow down to look at the crowd to see and make sure those weren’t his people,” Gilmore said, referring to the neo-Nazi protestors. “For a second I thought, ‘Maybe he’s going to have a second thought and not do this.’ Instead, he slammed on the gas and accelerated into the crowd.”

    Gilmore received unexpected attention from news agencies and outlets in regard to the video of the violent attack. Within minutes of posting the video on Twitter, Gilmore was bombarded with requests for interviews by news outlets such as the New York Times,

    For the rest of that weekend, Gilmore was interviewed by multiple mainstream media outlets. After his final interview, Gilmore joined friends for dinner in an effort to reclaim his normal life. A worried call from his sister shattered those hopes.

    “My sister said, ‘Brennan have you spoken to mom or dad?’ and I said ‘why?’” Gilmore recalled. “She said that their address had been posted online on a neo-Nazi message board and that there were death threats against me.”

Apparently the racist far right are quite comfortable threatening the families of witnesses.
#14859018
Jesus. This is terrorism too. There must be a water to counter these reckless actions, by which I mean the publication of their home address, and the alt right / white supremacists badgering posts.
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Antifa are the real Nazis, the real Hitler-lovers. They hate freedom and they keep making Nazi rallies be constantly opposed and interrupted. As @Buzz62 constantly reminds us, counter-protesters in the American state of Virginia keep violating Canadian laws from the province of Saskatchewan concerning cars and people.

As a typical everyday Average Joe (my real name) who really hates N*****, I think we need to put our faith in the American National Socialist Movement to stop fascists like Antifa from making America a fascist place to live where guys who advocate for the genocide of Jews, blacks, and other ethnicities and groups of people can't preach genocide and racial hatred without people protesting them, and a fascist place where Nazis have to craft clever reasons for why they made a decision to murder people when they get angry and want to kill some N*****.

Antifa is the cause of all of this fascism we keep seeing. Ever since Heather Heyer's unfortunate heart attack which had nothing to do with being struck by a car driven by a Nazi who drove into a crowd of people, and about 12 million heart attacks during the Holocaust, National Socialism has been constantly assaulted by people who are ignorant and don't understand history or real facts. It is my supreme hope that @Buzz62, @maz, and other ambassadors of the light of truth can exterminate these false portrayals of Nazis as being inherently vile and murderous.
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Ibn Tammiyah wrote:I hope to contribute to your inevitable extinction.

Libertarian353 wrote:No wonder you're a Judenrat.

And you don't like the neo-Nazis? I thought you were white now (and we're all fooled, believe me :roll: ). If you are white and very concerned about black people, why do you dislike the Jews? Charlottesville's mayor is a Jew.

Pants-of-dog wrote:Apparently the racist far right are quite comfortable threatening the families of witnesses.

Indeed they are comfortable. In fact, they are just as comfortable as the BLM/Antifa people who called the previous owner of James Field's car and issued death threats to him and his family.

Stormsmith wrote:Jesus. This is terrorism too. There must be a water to counter these reckless actions, by which I mean the publication of their home address, and the alt right / white supremacists badgering posts.

You mean they are doxxing, just like the left does? SpecialOlympian seems to think that's okay.

SpecialOlympian wrote:Lol can't wait to see shitlords lose their job over this shit.

Oh boy was it ever worth to walk in fucking circles with a tiki torch while drssed up like a retail manager.


SpecialOlympian wrote:*Gets fired from job for attending a nazi rally*

"Huh. Guess that's why the klansmen wore hoods."


I've looked back through this thread a bit, and one of the things that strikes me is that all the people claiming the right is a-okay with violence were saying so well before anybody on the right started trolling you. However, a lot people have pointed out that the trashing of white working class people by the establishment is why you are seeing this sort of thing happening in the first place. Yet, they don't do the same thing to other groups. Let's take this from SpecialOlympian for example:

SpecialOlympian wrote:Because nazi speech is inherently violent and guess what? When you have people marching around openly declaring that they want a white power state it ends up having pretty negative and violent consequences for the people who aren't part of that white power group.

For example, people get run down by cars.

We could rewrite it in another context, such as the recent terror attack in NYC:

Because Islamist speech is inherently violent and guess what? When you have people marching around openly declaring that they want an Islamic state it ends up having pretty negative and violent consequences for the people who aren't part of that Islamic group.

For example, people get run down by cars.

Why is that lost on you people? mikema63 will say something like this:

mikema63 wrote:Since these right wingers like LARPing oppression victim hood maybe it's time we give them what they want and systematically jail, disenfranchise, and destroy all the Klansman, neo-confederates, and NAZI scum infesting the united states.
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I think I've finally found a reason to want Guantanamo bay to stay open.

From my perspective, all the alt-right is doing is basically mimicking your own behavior. Why is that such a surprise? You are regularly confronted by the fact that you initiated the violence, and you seem to think that when it blows back on you that it's somehow unrelated to your own actions.

SpecialOlympian wrote:Oh cool there's more of that Kessler guy getting chased by an angry mob:

Right. You guys are initiating violence and are upset at the blowback. How about taking a page out of MLK's book and adopt non-violence instead?

SpecialOlympian wrote:I hope everyone will join me in shouting PENIS!

Punch
Every
Nazi
In
Sight!

I guess this is humor on LSD, but again it illustrates that you people were the ones calling for violence. Why does it upset you when people use violence against you in response?

SpecialOlympian wrote:The cool thing is that punching nazis works, because they're built on projecting a false image of strength.

Is it cool that one of your BLM/Antifa protesters ended up dead? There is certainly a profound lack of reflection and rush to judgment on the part of Antifa/BLM folks.
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Another long Blackjack post no one will read.

But about the white nationalists/supremacists: obviously they are just copying what BLM/Antifa and everyday anti-Nazi people do. Since people who don't really like Nazis advocate for racial genocide, mass murder, and think it's perfectly acceptable to murder people because they're not white.

One had to be profoundly ignorant to think white supremacists are only violent because people consistently oppose them, yell at them, and even counter-protest against them in the US, and not because they are inherently violent as is any other racial supremacist movement is bound to be.
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Yo I don't read your big gay posts blackjack you can stop quoting me.

My favorite blackjack story is the one where he went on a dream beach vacation and rubbed suntan lotion on the back of an actual third reich nazi and how this was apparently a very formative experience for blackjack, a guy who defends nazis.
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SpecialOlympian wrote:Yo I don't read your big gay posts blackjack you can stop quoting me.

My favorite blackjack story is the one where he went on a dream beach vacation and rubbed suntan lotion on the back of an actual third reich nazi and how this was apparently a very formative experience for blackjack, a guy who defends nazis.

Obviously you do read them, or you wouldn't be able to recount them and then twist them into your LSD infused fantasies replete with derision for homosexuals when it suits your rhetorical flourish. I didn't say he was merely a Third Reich Nazi. I said he was part of Otto Pohl's group at Auschwitz. His brother was the paymaster for Otto Pohl's group, and he was more or less a supply chain manager in today's parlance. His upbringing was in the Hitler youth, and he had fond memories of it. His attitude toward losing the war could be described as crestfallen. It was an interesting enough story to check up on him, and the story did check out.

By contrast, James Fields knows practically nothing about such things. You have said:

SpecialOlympian wrote:The cool thing is that punching nazis works, because they're built on projecting a false image of strength.

You wouldn't do that to a Waffen SS soldier, because they would just smile, pull out a Luger and shoot you in the head. I'm telling you that a real Waffen SS guy has no remorse at all. It is actually quite the opposite. It is not unlike the recent terror attack in NYC, where the perpetrator wanted an ISIS flag for his hospital room and bragged about his accomplishments. Such people have a fundamentally different ideology from anything liberal. When they kill, they think they are doing the world a favor.

We still don't have any insight into the mind of James Fields, other than that he is a diagnosed schizophrenic, apparently hit his mom at one point, and championed Nazism.

In my opinion, what you have in places like Charlottesville are some disenfranchised whites that have abandoned political correctness and they have no more respect for factions that have no respect for them. To compare them to the Waffen SS or anything resembling an actual Nazi--in spite of their self-identification--is a bit ludicrous. The NSDAP was able to build a political party and take power. The American Nazi Party has never been anything more than a bunch of cranks.

Bulaba Jones wrote:But about the white nationalists/supremacists: obviously they are just copying what BLM/Antifa and everyday anti-Nazi people do.

Putting on displays of solidarity and making outlandish statements is a common tactic on the political left. That's just becoming a tactic on the political right too.

Bulaba Jones wrote:Since people who don't really like Nazis advocate for racial genocide, mass murder, and think it's perfectly acceptable to murder people because they're not white.

You have them right here on this board, and replete through this thread. Moderating them and suspending them doesn't mean they don't exist. It just means you are silencing their voices, and then denying that they exist. Lots of you guys call for mass murder of the bourgeoisie. Have you somehow forgotten this?

Bulaba Jones wrote:One had to be profoundly ignorant to think white supremacists are only violent because people consistently oppose them, yell at them, and even counter-protest against them in the US, and not because they are inherently violent as is any other racial supremacist movement is bound to be.

In recent times, BLM have killed far more people and have actually called for it. BLM chants, "What do we want? Dead cops! When do we want them? Now!" They don't chant, "What do we want? Fair treatment! When do we want it? Now!" Do you see a difference? TIG regularly points out that America's so called neo-Nazis fancy themselves as victims. They will chant such things as "Jews will not replace us." That's actually an admission of fear and a statement of defiance. If they were like BLM, they would be chanting, "What do we want? Dead Jews! When do we want them? Now!" Yet, we didn't hear that from the neo-Nazi protesters. They are just being what TIG would characterize as "edgy."
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:lol:
You people are so cute...

Bulaba Jones wrote:Antifa are the real Nazis, the real Hitler-lovers. They hate freedom and they keep making Nazi rallies be constantly opposed and interrupted.

And violent. Don't forget that inconvenient truth.
Bulaba Jones wrote:As @Buzz62 constantly reminds us, counter-protesters in the American state of Virginia keep violating Canadian laws from the province of Saskatchewan concerning cars and people.

Breaking the law is breaking the law...grow up and deal with it.
Bulaba Jones wrote:As a typical everyday Average Joe (my real name) who really hates N*****, I think we need to put our faith in the American National Socialist Movement to stop fascists like Antifa from making America a fascist place to live where guys who advocate for the genocide of Jews, blacks, and other ethnicities and groups of people can't preach genocide and racial hatred without people protesting them, and a fascist place where Nazis have to craft clever reasons for why they made a decision to murder people when they get angry and want to kill some N*****.

Errrr...I don't remember any quotes about black people. Do you?
Bulaba Jones wrote:Antifa is the cause of all of this fascism we keep seeing. Ever since Heather Heyer's unfortunate heart attack which had nothing to do with being struck by a car driven by a Nazi who drove into a crowd of people, and about 12 million heart attacks during the Holocaust, National Socialism has been constantly assaulted by people who are ignorant and don't understand history or real facts. It is my supreme hope that @Buzz62, @maz, and other ambassadors of the light of truth can exterminate these false portrayals of Nazis as being inherently vile and murderous.

:lol: You're so cute when you're lying.
But none of your horse-shit is actually fact-based.
You like to say I "support" Nazis, even though all the real Nazis are dead and gone, and I have said on countless occasions that I find both sides deplorable.
Your incredible display of anti-Americanism and willingness to outright lie, means...
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The counter protesters were not breaking the law, even if we accept the use of the Canadian criminal code for this argument, which is actually not the right set of laws to use in this jurisdiction.

Your cited law clearly states that standing in someone’s way is only assault if you are carrying a weapon.
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