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It has been established repeatedly, with evidence, that the counter-protesters did not break the law, either by marching or by going to Emancipation Park. For you to repeat the claim that they did shows that you are either stupid or dishonest.

Speaking of "stupid or dishonest" - repeating the claim that because Nazi Germany has been defeated, it is impossible for anyone to hold to the ideology of Nazism, is absurd. I suspect it stems from the same place as the smirking, forked-tongued bullshit we hear from Richard Spencer about how "German National Socialism is a historic movement of the past" and thinking he has cleverly dodged the question of whether he's a neo-Nazi.

You aren't fooling anyone, so give it a rest. :lol:
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Buzz62 wrote:You don't know me...and you could never hope to leave me "blooded"...


And yet it happens every damned day.


How many times have I said that I do support the right to lawful and peaceful protest?
The counter protestors broke the law.

But supporting criminals who want to kill all white babies is much more important to you so...ya...there's that. And its sickening.


And here you go again. I said no such thing. Putting words in my enough is just wrong. And this is why you get blooded.
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errr...

In Seattle recently, BLM activists shouted demands, accented with much profanity, and the message was clear:

“We need to start killing people. First off, we need to start killing the White House. The White House must die. The White House, your f—ing White House, your f—ing presidents, they must go! F— the White House.”

Video captured the racist tirade and public incitement of violence. One unidentified activist shouted over the megaphone demands that white people pay up or else:

“White people, give your f—ing money, your f—ing house, your f—ing property, we need it f—ing all. Pay the f— up, pay the f— up. It ain’t just your f—ing time, its your f—ing money, and now your f—ing life is devoted to social change.”

“Burn it!” shouted a participant in response. “Reparations!” shouted another.

But when you think it can’t get worse, it does. The woman with the megaphone identifies herself as a preschool teacher and even though her statement is drowned out by the roaring crowd, she promised to “f—ing radicalize” her four- and five-year-old students.

“Teach your kids to throw that f—ing cop car in the garbage. That sh*t has got to go,” she added.

Read more at http://www.patheos.com/blogs/staceydash ... I1SUzGM.99


Reese Bowman, an eight-month-old white baby, was killed at the Rocket Tiers Daycare in Baltimore, MD. Police say that Leah Waldon, a 23-year-old black female, was caught on camera intentionally killing the baby.

Waldon has been charged with 1st-degree murder. Col. Stanley Branford of the Baltimore City Police described the incident as “torture.” He says that Walden can be seen striking, bodyslamming, and swinging the baby by one arm. She also appears to be smothering the baby with blankets and pillows. Brandford says that Bowman keeps looking around to make sure no one else can see what she is doing.

The murder has been a leading story in Baltimore for several days, but no media outlets are showing a picture of the baby or disclosing that the baby is white. Compare this to the murder of a black college student by a white college student at the University of Maryland. The same media outlets begin their articles by stating the race the of the perpetrator and the victim. Then they aggressively speculate about a possible racial motive.

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/offtopi ... -33393032/

You support these animals. You excuse these most disgusting of criminals.
Thus, you are as sick as these bastards.
#14860267
Heisenberg wrote:I take it you've not seen Breaking Bad, then.

I have. It is referring to the lead character, Walter White, using same Werner Heisenberg as a pseudonym. Duh!

Buzz62 wrote:As we all have heard these "lefties" claim, over and over, if you are not against UTR, then you support them. Thus, if you aren't against Antifa and BLM, then you support them and their criminal activities.
So...I guess that means you want all white people and cops...dead.

Exactly. Turnabout is fair play.

They seemed to have little to say about the BLM protest in Dallas, and the cops protecting their freedom of speech and freedom of assembly only to have 5 of their numbers murdered by a BLM sympathizer and another 12 shot. Some of the BLM protesters came with guns and shields, just like some of the militia members on Unite the Right. Some threw rocks at the police. Then, Barack Obama came down and gave a lecture on racism in what was supposed to be a eulogy. All in all, the neo-Nazis in Charlottesville were far better behaved than BLM in Dallas was. Yet, the left on this board seems to have all sorts of sympathy for BLM's cause.

Pants-of-dog wrote:Buzz has a habit of assuming that anyone who disagrees with him hates white people, or wants to destroy western civilisation, or something like that.

You have a habit of believing that all neo-Nazis want to kill everyone they disagree with, and you appear to use that to fail to see lawless conduct on the part of neo-Nazi adversaries while championing their initiation of violent conduct toward neo-Nazis.

Stormsmith wrote:In reality, if he simply supported everyone's right to lawfully protest he'd be done.

You have a right to "peaceably assemble" and "petition the government for a redress of grievances." You do not have a right to confront other groups peaceably assembled for their own purposes. To protest others, you must not interfere with their rights, including their freedom of movement, and you must keep a safe distance.

Stormsmith wrote:But instead, he supports the morally inferior position only, and finds brazenly whacky arguments (Saskatchewan law) in an attempt to bolster his argument (s), and is mocked accordingly. Sad. Embarrassing.

Some people just find your histrionics at Heather Heyer's death a bit overblown. You also seem to imply that anybody saying the Unite the Right people have the right to peaceably assemble without interference from Antifa, BLM or the mayor of Charlottesville is somehow a Nazi sympathizer is more or less unfounded. Some see your bias especially in light of the fact that Heather Heyer's apparent cause of death may be a heart attack, and not as a result of being struck directly by James Field's car. Whereas, in Dallas, a BLM sympathizer intentionally killed 5 police officers and shot 12 others. He was known to like the New Black Panther Party (NBPP), Nation of Islam, and Black Riders Liberation Army--all of whom are considered hate groups by the leftist-championed Southern Poverty Law Center. Then, Barack Obama came down and delivered a lecture on racism in the middle of what was supposed to be a eulogy for the slain police officers.

Can you imagine if Trump came to Heather Heyer's funeral and gave a speech about the concerns of the Unite the Right participants?
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Heisenberg wrote:Not one poster has said anything in support of the New Black Panther Party, a collection of kooks and thugs who make the Black Hebrew Israelites look sane.

Stop deflecting.

Not one poster has said anything in support of the Neo-Nazis and UTR except to support their's and every American's right to peaceful and approved protest. Yet you fine criminal supporters feel it necessary to shame people with insane claims of NAZIS and such.

Fine...if the rule is that a person is guilty by loose association...then you have some soul-searching to do.
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blackjack21 wrote:I have. It is referring to the lead character, Walter White, using same Werner Heisenberg as a pseudonym. Duh!

Well done! Who's a smart boy?

Now, as I'm sure you are aware, Heisenberg was neither a Nazi ideologue, nor was his career defined by his role in the development of nuclear weapons. And, I am also sure you are aware that not all German soldiers in the second world war were evil. Rommel comes to mind as someone whose reputation survived being a senior military official in the Third Reich.

Since this thread is specifically about proponents of Nazi ideology and those advocating the ethnic cleansing of the United States, I do not see how this relevant to the discussion. But then, none of your troll posts ever are.

Buzz62 wrote:Not one poster has said anything in support of the Neo-Nazis and UTR except to support their's and every American's right to peaceful and approved protest.

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Buzz62 wrote: Yet you fine criminal supporters feel it necessary to shame people with insane claims of NAZIS and such.

Yes, I know it hurts your feelings to be associated with people you've spent three months and 150 pages defending. Unfortunately for you, I don't care.

Buzz62 wrote:Fine...if the rule is that a person is guilty by loose association...then you have some soul-searching to do.

Three months of active defence of neo-Nazis coupled with spreading stupid conspiracy theories is "loose association", is it? :lol:
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I hear that biology courses in American universities now require students to carry out at least five partial-birth abortions per semester in order to pass their practical requirements. Is that true, @mikema63?
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Heisenberg wrote:Well done! Who's a smart boy?

Now, as I'm sure you are aware, Heisenberg was neither a Nazi ideologue, nor was his career defined by his role in the development of nuclear weapons. And, I am also sure you are aware that not all German soldiers in the second world war were evil. Rommel comes to mind as someone whose reputation survived being a senior military official in the Third Reich.

Since this thread is specifically about proponents of Nazi ideology and those advocating the ethnic cleansing of the United States, I do not see how this relevant to the discussion. But then, none of your troll posts ever are.


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Yes, I know it hurts your feelings to be associated with people you've spent three months and 150 pages defending. Unfortunately for you, I don't care.


Three months of active defence of neo-Nazis coupled with spreading stupid conspiracy theories is "loose association", is it? :lol:


Politically fueled cop hatred has taken another victim. Convicted felon Alexander Bonds, who had already assaulted an officer with brass knuckles, wrote on Facebook last September, “Police is f—-ts, and this ain’t no gimmick. That’s where your taxpayer money be going, to pay off your own people being murdered. N—-s ain’t taking it no more, Mr. Officer.”

Bonds chose just after the Fourth of July to act on his hatred, walking up to an NYPD mobile command post in the Bronx at 12:30 a.m. Wednesday to pump a bullet into the head of Officer Miosotis Familia, a 12-year veteran of the force. She died several hours later in the hospital.

The assassination of the 48-year-old mother of three comes as gun murders of officers continue to rise nationwide: up 9 percent this year, on top of last year’s 53 percent increase. Last Thursday in San Antonio, Police Officer Miguel Moreno was deliberately shot in the head while investigating a car break-in. The San Antonio police chief responded, “I’m sick of the police haters. We protect them. We defend them. And they give us a big F.U.”

Alexander Bonds’ anti-cop rhetoric echoes the Black Lives Matter-inspired vitriol spewed by previous cop assassins over the last three years.

http://nypost.com/2017/07/06/politicall ... cers-life/

Your heroes...
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mikema63 wrote:Oh yes, it's a real pain in the arse. But the extra credit for drawing satanic signs upon the fetal corpse is pretty good, it's whats getting me through evolutionary biology this semester.
When Donald Trump used the phrase “alt-left” to describe the anti-neo-Nazi protesters in Charlottesville last week, most people had no idea what he meant. I’m actually not sure he knew what he meant.

“What about the alt-left that came charging at the, as you say, the ‘alt-right’? Do they have any assemblage of guilt?” Trump said during a rambling press conference.

If the alt-left exists, it’s probably best represented by “antifa” (short for “anti-fascist”) — a loose network of left-wing activists who physically resist people they consider fascists. These are often the scruffy, bandana-clad people who show up at alt-right rallies or speaking events in order to shut them down before they happen, and they openly embrace violence as a justifiable means to that end.

Antifa is not a monolithic organization, nor does it have anything like a hierarchical leadership structure. It’s an umbrella group that shares a number of causes, the most important of which is resisting white nationalist movements. Adherents are mostly socialists, anarchists, and communists who, according to Mark Bray, a historian at Dartmouth College and author of Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook, “reject turning to the police or the state to halt the advance of white supremacy. Instead they advocate popular opposition to fascism as we witnessed in Charlottesville.”

I reached out to Bray to discuss the group and its burgeoning impact on American politics. He’s sympathetic to antifa’s cause and makes no effort to hide that. He describes the book as “an unabashedly partisan call to arms that aims to equip a new generation of anti-fascists with the history and theory necessary to defeat the resurgent far right.”

In this interview, we talk about the ethics of “militant anti-fascism,” why groups like antifa don’t care if they hurt the Democratic Party, and why resisting fascism in a liberal democracy poses a unique challenge to conventional political norms.

Our conversation, lightly edited for clarity, follows.

https://www.vox.com/2017/8/25/16189064/ ... -interview

Anarchists, Communists, and of course the Cop Killers who think all white babies should be killed.
The heroes of Charlottesville...
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Heisenberg wrote:Now, as I'm sure you are aware, Heisenberg was neither a Nazi ideologue, nor was his career defined by his role in the development of nuclear weapons. And, I am also sure you are aware that not all German soldiers in the second world war were evil. Rommel comes to mind as someone whose reputation survived being a senior military official in the Third Reich.

Martin Heidegger's reputation survived too, and he did join the Nazi party. Had Heisenberg succeeded in developing a nuclear weapon, the war might have ended very differently. The "betrayal" from Operation Gladio and Operation Paperclip show that the shaming of Nazis was more or less political too. SpecialOlympian recalls me meeting a former Waffen SS officer in Cancun. This officer wasn't directly involved in the killing, so he got a ten year sentence of which he served six. His brother got 15 years, of which he served 10 years I believe. He later died of a "heart attack" like Heather Heyer. However, Hans--this was 2004?, so he's probably dead now--lived a pretty long life.

Heisenberg wrote:Since this thread is specifically about proponents of Nazi ideology and those advocating the ethnic cleansing of the United States, I do not see how this relevant to the discussion. But then, none of your troll posts ever are.

No. It's specifically about why a State of Emergency was called in Charlottesville.

The reality of the situation is that the United the Right folks were active in that park the month before, and there were no incidents. It was a group called SURJ (Showing Up for Racial Justice) that was active in trying to prevent recurring peaceful rallies from Unite the Right.

SURJ Seeks to Prevent Planned Emancipation Park Rally
Members of the Loyal White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan held a rally at Justice Park Saturday, July 8. That event drew over 1,000 people to the park, including many counterprotesters – members of SURJ, Black Lives Matter, and Charlottesville Clergy Collective – and roughly 200 law enforcement officers from several jurisdictions.

Charlottesville City Council argues that when it comes to freedom of speech issues, the process is not that simple.

“The Supreme Court has ruled consistently that even when that speech is abhorrent, even when that speech supports violence, if it’s not immediately threatening violence then it is protected under the First Amendment,” said Councilor Kristin Sazkos.

See? The City Council and the Unite the Right people were obeying the law. The Unite the Right people simply triggered the left, and that's when the leftists marshalled to ensure violence.

In the first instance on July 8th, the counter protesters didn't interefere with protesters in Lee Park/Emancipation Park. Yet, they did clash with law enforcement leading to 22 arrests.

22 Antifa, Surj, and BLM activists being prosecuted in Charlottesville
The individuals were from groups like Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and Surj. These groups mobilized about 500 people near Lee Park. This led to individuals blocking roads and fighting with law enforcement.

Charlottesville Surj is now pleading with the activist community online to donate money for the legal defense of the people being charged.

These groups claim they will mobilize thousands of left-wing activists to descend on the same park on August 12th to disrupt a planned rally called “Unite The Right.” Groups like Surj, IWW, and Antifa are trying to recruit people in other cities to travel to Charlottesville. This could be setting the stage for dozens of more left-wing activists being arrested.

A key tactic of left-wing activists, who engage in violence, is to have everyone dress in all black and wear masks. The stated purpose of this is to prevent people from being identified when they commit crimes. The state of Virginia has one of the most aggressive anti-mask laws in the country. The authorities have made it clear that left-wing activists who show up wearing a mask with be subject to arrest and charged with a class 6 felony.

The left clearly planned to violently disrupt the Unite the Right rally. There is no question about it.

And this is for you Pants-of-dog:

Obstructing free passage – misdemeanor:

Jo Zenobia Donahue, 24
Veronica H. Fitzhugh, 38
Nicolas R. McCarthy, 28
Jeanne M. Peterson
John R. Neavear
Sara M. Tansey
Evan S. Viglietta
Whitney R. Whiting
Thomas Freman, 52
Marie Peterson, 37
Cameron S. Bills
Kendall J. Bills

That's 12 misdemeanor arrests for obstructing free passage. Standing in front of the park in a line with interlocking arms to prevent a lawful assembly is a misdemeanor. That is, it is a crime.

Some elements of the Unite the Right even held a peaceful torchlit rally in May 2016, and only one person was disruptive. However, the mayor was upset clearly upset about the torchlit rally, and not the one person who was arguing with them.

Charlottesville Leaders Condemn Torchlight Demonstration at Lee Park
"I thought it was terrible. It was a demonstration of, you know, burning torches in a public park that was reminiscent of the tactics you saw with the KKK," Mike Signer said.

If they showed up with little votive candles, then it would be more about peace?

Signer along with Vice Mayor Wes Bellamy put out official statements on social media urging the community to stay "united in diversity."

"This is a loving and welcoming community. We do value diversity, tolerance, difference. That's the source of our strength," Signer said.

As long as there is no diversity in political views? Isn't that's what is really being said here?

The rally is receiving bi-partisan condemnation. Fifty-Seventh District Del. David Toscano (D) and Charlottesville Republican Party Chair Erich Reimer say the intolerance is unacceptable.

Ahh...Erich Reimer and Mike Singer... a German and a Jew working side by side. How nice.

Signer says the next steps to move the city forward involve learning how this happened and how to prevent it from happening again.

"Police are going to be looking into this incident extremely carefully applying due diligence looking at all of our laws and ordinances, viewing all the tapes," Signer said.

See? The Mayor of Charlottesville wanted to prevent the peaceful assembly of people he did not like. That is against the law and the constitution.

As this officer approached the group he observed that several members of the large group were arguing with a male individual.

The members of the larger group were heard to be chanting and the single male was yelling at them “to leave my town”. The officer began giving commands to all parties to clear the park and asked for additional units to respond.

As additional units arrived, all parties involved began to leave the park without incident. No assaults, injuries or damage to the park was reported. No arrests were made but a report was generated by the first responding officer to document the incident. Extra patrol was conducted for the remainder of the evening with no additional incidents being reported or observed.

See how peaceful the right wing can be when you don't stir the hornet's nest?
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Buzz

The reason you have been reduced to quoting [url]GameSpot. Com[/url] and attributing it to me is because You cannot find one quote of mine that comes close to sounding like this utter rubbish, ergo you make it up and you attribute it to me. this is fiction. Any actual quote will demonstrate my position as being on the moral high ground.

Yours, in contrast, are over the top attempts to defend these self described Nazi as decent citizens whilst being arrested is why everyone and I mean anyone can leave you blooded every time you say such demonstrably preposterous utterances.
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Stormsmith wrote:Buzz

The reason you have been reduced to quoting [url]GameSpot. Com[/url] and attributing it to me is because You cannot find one quote of mine that comes close to sounding like this utter rubbish, ergo you make it up and you attribute it to me. this is fiction. Any actual quote will demonstrate my position as being on the moral high ground.

You fine people have been doing exactly that to myself and many others since this horseshit began...enjoy... :knife:

Stormsmith wrote:Yours, in contrast, are over the top attempts to defend these self described Nazi as decent citizens whilst being arrested is why everyone and I mean anyone can leave you blooded every time you say such demonstrably preposterous utterances.

Really?
Perhaps you should prove that...or deal with your own "heroes"...
#14860400
Is it really ok to punch nazis?


Yes. /end of thread (regardless of pants-shitters not realizing the thread ended long, long ago)

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As for Blackjack's arguments that people standing in the street protesting deserve to be murdered/executed because they were jaywalking, the Nazis were already breaking the law because their rally was deemed unlawful and their permit revoked.

Which means the Nazis were already guilty of jaywalking since they were standing in the streets, and then residents of the city ended up standing in the streets to oppose them, and so on.
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