Heisenberg wrote:Now, as I'm sure you are aware, Heisenberg was neither a Nazi ideologue, nor was his career defined by his role in the development of nuclear weapons. And, I am also sure you are aware that not all German soldiers in the second world war were evil. Rommel comes to mind as someone whose reputation survived being a senior military official in the Third Reich.
Martin Heidegger's reputation survived too, and he did join the Nazi party. Had Heisenberg succeeded in developing a nuclear weapon, the war might have ended very differently. The "betrayal" from Operation Gladio and Operation Paperclip show that the shaming of Nazis was more or less political too. SpecialOlympian recalls me meeting a former Waffen SS officer in Cancun. This officer wasn't directly involved in the killing, so he got a ten year sentence of which he served six. His brother got 15 years, of which he served 10 years I believe. He later died of a "heart attack" like Heather Heyer. However, Hans--this was 2004?, so he's probably dead now--lived a pretty long life.
Heisenberg wrote:Since this thread is specifically about proponents of Nazi ideology and those advocating the ethnic cleansing of the United States, I do not see how this relevant to the discussion. But then, none of your troll posts ever are.
No. It's specifically about why a State of Emergency was called in Charlottesville.
The reality of the situation is that the United the Right folks were active in that park the month before, and there were no incidents. It was a group called SURJ (Showing Up for Racial Justice) that was active in trying to prevent recurring peaceful rallies from Unite the Right.SURJ Seeks to Prevent Planned Emancipation Park Rally
Members of the Loyal White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan held a rally at Justice Park Saturday, July 8. That event drew over 1,000 people to the park, including many counterprotesters – members of SURJ, Black Lives Matter, and Charlottesville Clergy Collective – and roughly 200 law enforcement officers from several jurisdictions.
Charlottesville City Council argues that when it comes to freedom of speech issues, the process is not that simple.
“The Supreme Court has ruled consistently that even when that speech is abhorrent, even when that speech supports violence, if it’s not immediately threatening violence then it is protected under the First Amendment,” said Councilor Kristin Sazkos.
See? The City Council and the Unite the Right people were obeying the law. The Unite the Right people simply triggered the left, and that's when the leftists marshalled to ensure violence.
In the first instance on July 8th, the counter protesters didn't interefere with protesters in Lee Park/Emancipation Park. Yet, they did clash with law enforcement leading to 22 arrests. 22 Antifa, Surj, and BLM activists being prosecuted in Charlottesville
The individuals were from groups like Antifa, Black Lives Matter, and Surj. These groups mobilized about 500 people near Lee Park. This led to individuals blocking roads and fighting with law enforcement.
Charlottesville Surj is now pleading with the activist community online to donate money for the legal defense of the people being charged.
These groups claim they will mobilize thousands of left-wing activists to descend on the same park on August 12th to disrupt a planned rally called “Unite The Right.” Groups like Surj, IWW, and Antifa are trying to recruit people in other cities to travel to Charlottesville. This could be setting the stage for dozens of more left-wing activists being arrested.
A key tactic of left-wing activists, who engage in violence, is to have everyone dress in all black and wear masks. The stated purpose of this is to prevent people from being identified when they commit crimes. The state of Virginia has one of the most aggressive anti-mask laws in the country. The authorities have made it clear that left-wing activists who show up wearing a mask with be subject to arrest and charged with a class 6 felony.
The left clearly planned to violently disrupt the Unite the Right rally. There is no question about it.
And this is for you Pants-of-dog:
Obstructing free passage – misdemeanor:
Jo Zenobia Donahue, 24
Veronica H. Fitzhugh, 38
Nicolas R. McCarthy, 28
Jeanne M. Peterson
John R. Neavear
Sara M. Tansey
Evan S. Viglietta
Whitney R. Whiting
Thomas Freman, 52
Marie Peterson, 37
Cameron S. Bills
Kendall J. Bills
That's 12 misdemeanor arrests for obstructing free passage. Standing in front of the park in a line with interlocking arms to prevent a lawful assembly is a misdemeanor. That is, it is a crime.
Some elements of the Unite the Right even held a peaceful torchlit rally in May 2016, and only one person was disruptive. However, the mayor was upset clearly upset about the torchlit rally, and not the one person who was arguing with them.Charlottesville Leaders Condemn Torchlight Demonstration at Lee Park
"I thought it was terrible. It was a demonstration of, you know, burning torches in a public park that was reminiscent of the tactics you saw with the KKK," Mike Signer said.
If they showed up with little votive candles, then it would be more about peace?
Signer along with Vice Mayor Wes Bellamy put out official statements on social media urging the community to stay "united in diversity."
"This is a loving and welcoming community. We do value diversity, tolerance, difference. That's the source of our strength," Signer said.
As long as there is no diversity in political views? Isn't that's what is really being said here?
The rally is receiving bi-partisan condemnation. Fifty-Seventh District Del. David Toscano (D) and Charlottesville Republican Party Chair Erich Reimer say the intolerance is unacceptable.
Ahh...Erich Reimer and Mike Singer... a German and a Jew working side by side. How nice.
Signer says the next steps to move the city forward involve learning how this happened and how to prevent it from happening again.
"Police are going to be looking into this incident extremely carefully applying due diligence looking at all of our laws and ordinances, viewing all the tapes," Signer said.
See? The Mayor of Charlottesville wanted to prevent the peaceful assembly of people he did not like. That is against the law and the constitution.
As this officer approached the group he observed that several members of the large group were arguing with a male individual.
The members of the larger group were heard to be chanting and the single male was yelling at them “to leave my town”. The officer began giving commands to all parties to clear the park and asked for additional units to respond.
As additional units arrived, all parties involved began to leave the park without incident. No assaults, injuries or damage to the park was reported. No arrests were made but a report was generated by the first responding officer to document the incident. Extra patrol was conducted for the remainder of the evening with no additional incidents being reported or observed.
See how peaceful the right wing can be when you don't stir the hornet's nest?
"I remember landing under sniper fire. There was supposed to be some kind of a greeting ceremony at the airport, but instead we just ran with our heads down to get into the vehicles to get to our base."
-- Hillary Clinton