[Zagadka]

Viva le multiculturalism and rainbow society.

Funny thing is, the people causing these problems are the opposite of multicultural rainbow society. AKA, you. Many of us are far too lenient towards assholes, true, but the asshole behavior isn't us.

[noir]

For BBC it's a joke or part and parcel

Given over 450 acid attacks last year in London, BBC helps out by normalizing how you can fix it with make-up

[Albert]

Funny thing is, the people causing these problems are the opposite of multicultural rainbow society. AKA, you. Many of us are far too lenient towards assholes, true, but the asshole behavior isn't us.

What do you mean, I did not create multiculturalism, it was dumb asses in power disillusioned on idealism that did. I know better, that sticking whole bunch of ethnicities and nationalities in one place will not work, but create ethnic strife. Reality is a bitch is it not Zagadka, it works by its own rules.

So why dont you get your head out of your 2 denominational thinking and look that it is your own idealism and of people like you who created this mess. Not to get too personal.

[Zagadka]

What do you mean, I did not create multiculturalism,

Which is why I never said you did.

I said that the problem lies with the people that multiculturalism lets exist, which are basically a hall of mirrors of each other - bigoted, often theistic, jingoist nationalists. You cry about each other, but have fairly similar positions on social issues and governments to tolerate. Crazy ass Muslim terrorists would probably vote against the rainbow coalition, since it is pretty much everything they hate. If you replace "Mohammed" with "Jesus", though...

Reality is a bitch is it not Zagadka, it works by its own rules.

True.

[Albert]

Which is why I never said you did.

I said that the problem lies with the people that multiculturalism lets exist, which are basically a hall of mirrors of each other - bigoted, often theistic, jingoist nationalists. You cry about each other, but have fairly similar positions on social issues and governments to tolerate. Crazy ass Muslim terrorists would probably vote against the rainbow coalition, since it is pretty much everything they hate. If you replace "Mohammed" with "Jesus", though...

2 denominational thinking Zagadka. You have to look at the cause of this situation to fix it. And the cause is idealism that expects this reality not to happen.

People like me, from the get go were warning that this idealism (like multiculturalism) will not work out. It will be a disaster; their prediction are now coming true. You are simply refusing to acknowledge, that nationalism, race, ethnicity is actually real in this world and means something. It is real. What is unreal is this perception that it does not actually matter, or you can somehow escape or get rid of it. Or dont belong to any of it.

[Zagadka]

Up to you. I'd rather live in a place without radical ideologists that still assumes innocence until guilt. Could you be a lot more efficient at stamping out bad guys? Yea. Still isn't worth losing freedoms for large swathes of people. I've lived in heavily multicultural cities many times, and things managed not to implode.

[foxdemon]

Up to you. I'd rather live in a place without radical ideologists that still assumes innocence until guilt. Could you be a lot more efficient at stamping out bad guys? Yea. Still isn't worth losing freedoms for large swathes of people. I've lived in heavily multicultural cities many times, and things managed not to implode.

That is a good point. Western ppl don't like the authoritarian approach needed for a peaceful multicultural society. Ppl in Singapore don't mind a strict state ready to crush assholes like a bug. Multiculturalism works quite well in SG.

[anasawad]

@Politiks
Now 'm a Lebanese from an Iranian origins, however lived majority of my life in Lebanon. And I strongly advice you stop using Lebanon in your argument, not for anything personal but rather because you clearly have no idea what you're talking about and pretty much your entire argument is full of shit.

And as a little piece of information for you, the country you've been glorifying, Israel, right after you finish talking about Lebanon, is the country that committed the largest massacres in Lebanon against both Muslims and Christians alike. And during the civil war, the areas that were considered safe and people went to,( since the fighting was 1- happening in a handful of areas only at first, and 2- was political not religious since all sides were mixed in religions), Israel went in and pretty much destroyed those areas, then went further on to hire mercenaries to terrorize and massacre the population. (you can look up the Lebanon southern army as an example).


For the overall situation that happened in Lebanon, as stated before it was political rather than religious for the most part. Since the Lebanese "civil war" started as the Lebanese people, Christians and Muslims together, fighting against the PLO, which consisted of both Muslims and Christians as well, then it was followed by Israelis and Syrians invading and fighting against each other inside of Lebanon, then more countries got involved like the rest of the Arab world, the US, UK, France, etc all fighting inside of Lebanon. All while Lebanese people contained themselves into specific areas and held defense against aggressors in each's area.
Those armed militias and parties that you like to keep talking about and constantly fear mongering about. i.e like Hezbollah and the communist party along side other groups.
Those groups combined are called the resistance; Why are they called the resistance ? well, Because they took arms and rose as resistance against foreign aggressors whom were committing massacres in Lebanon. That includes your lovely Israel BTW.
And those groups although most hold an official religion, their supporters are not restricted to that religion. Biggest example is Hezbollah, having a huge support base among not only Shias (i.e its group) but also among Christians, Druze, Alawites, and a minority of Sunnis. Because Hezbollah fought to protect all of them. Same goes for the communist party (secular), and the socialist progressive party (Druze) and others.


Third and finally, Lebanese people in south America. This is where it gets a little complicated. Not complicated in the sense its hard to understand, rather complicated in the sense that ideologue and idiots would choose not to understand.
The overwhelming majority of Lebanese people in south America did not go there as refugees or during the war, they moved there as part of trade just like to everywhere else in the world for Lebanese people. How can you confirm this ? Well, its easy, all you have to do is look at when did they arrive there, you'd find its around 50-100 years before the war even came to be. And the majority left for economic opportunities and trade during the Ottoman era. This was encouraged by the uprisings in several Syrian provinces which led to various economic crises at that time thus pushing lots of people to migrate alongside various conflicts between Druze and Maronites in the 1860-1880 era. (neither are Muslims if you're wondering)
And most of these, the "Lebanese" people who live in south America, while are ethnically Lebanese not really Lebanese. As in they need a travel visa to go to Lebanon just as everyone else since they haven't held Lebanese nationality since generations and don't speak any of the languages spoken in Lebanon by Lebanese people nor do hold any actual relations to the country other than that their ancestors came from there. Thats basically the majority of them.
So I would advice doing some research before talking bullshit, specially when you're counting on stories told to you. Since along side all those uprising across Syria, the Lebanon major conflict in that period wasn't between Muslims and Christians, you know, the one you're talking about how the great war between Christians and Muslims with all the horrible Muslims killing Christians. It started between Christian sects and classes (i.e class warfare would accurately describe it) , then the Druze got involved into it because they were incharge of Lebanon as whole (Druze have their own religion and are not Muslims if you're wondering), and the war in general had massacres being committed by all sides against each other, that even include Christian Maronite committing massacres against other Christian sects whom were on the side of the Druze.
And at the current time in Lebanon, those things are long forgotten since sectarian relations have been having a considerable repairing in the past decades. So you should probably take that into consideration before you start using the "victim card" on behalf of people you don't represent.

[Politiks]

What you said about antifa seemed more like an opinion to me.



It seems this woman does not advocate for Sharia, and that the accusation is axtually fake news.

At least, according to this news article:
https://apnews.com/30499a4ba384447ba85b4054e87407dd



Before you said I do not present opinions, and now you say I do.



Am I supposed to watch these?

Yes she does advocate about Sharia Law. Yes she's part of the Muslim Brotherhood. Yes she is also connected to BLM and the women's march. I posted the videos for you to watch if you want to gain information on a subject you seem to know nothing about but seem very eager to advocate over. I'm not one to talk about subjects I no nothing about there for I always seek information. You're not suppose to watch if you don't intent (which clearly you don't) to understand Islam.

[Pants-of-dog]

What are the contexts for these different statements?

Thank you.

[Albert]

Up to you. I'd rather live in a place without radical ideologists that still assumes innocence until guilt. Could you be a lot more efficient at stamping out bad guys? Yea. Still isn't worth losing freedoms for large swathes of people. I've lived in heavily multicultural cities many times, and things managed not to implode.

Well keep missing the big elephant in the room then. I do not understand how you can be selfish enough, to think that you cant get blown up by a Muslim, because you are an infidel. What is special about you?

Must feel really safe in your specul SJW bubble.

[Ter]

@anasawad
Anasawad, I have just one question for you and I only ask you because you give me the impression that you are a reasonable guy.
I understand that Hezbollah is a resistance movement. They defend Lebanon against invaders like Israel was in South Lebanon several decades ago.
Since then Israel has left Lebanon.
So what is Hezbollah's "reason d'etre" now?

At the moment there is a standoff with harsh rhetoric but no action on either side between Hezbollah and Israel.
We have seen in 2006 that neither side can win a military conflict. Like in 2006, there will be huge damage, death and destruction, mainly in Lebanon, the whole of Lebanon.
I think we should cool things down and avoid a new military confrontation.
Do you honestly believe that Israel has an interest to invade Lebanon again? Except for fighting Hezbollah, I am convinced Israel has no such interest.
Hezbollah has in fact become a proxy military force for Iran. That is not defending the home country any more.

[anasawad]

@Ter
Hezbollah current main function is channeling funds from the Baalbak clans to a social welfare system across Lebanon (for all sects not just Shias) that include everything from Free hospitals, clinics, schools, university scholarships, building infrastructure, development, providing jobs, retirement, etc.
These are all the things that the state in Lebanon doesn't do, mainly due to corruption and on the other hand due to the fact that Lebanon's government is practically under the control of foreign governments to a large extent. Mainly Saudi Arabia controlling the ministries with Hariri as their puppet, blocking pretty much any chance of reform or reparations at the time.

This accounts for over 95% of Hezbollah's funding. These tasks are also being done across the country by other political parties directly, specially the communist party and socialist progressive party.
(Most of Lebanon's infrastructure and economy outside the administrative district of Beirut is built this way)

For Israel, the 2006 war was mainly, though rarely truly addressed, about the natural gas fields in the sea which are split between Lebanese and Israeli waters.
Looking at Netanyahu speeches and plans for these fields describing it as a "gift from god", i would put high expectation on Israel invading Lebanon in the future in order to dominate these fields, as it did before.
So i prefer that the overall resistance, including Hezbollah, remains heavily armed and on stand by incase that happened.
Until it is guarenteed that Israel or Islamists (which also these 3 parties are currently protecting Lebanon from) wont invade Lebanon (that would be anther genocide if they did if you're wondering, and the last battle against them on the borders were literally days ago) , or that the state becomes a real state rather than one where its army would just withdraw and let the people be massacred. This armament should remain and preferably increase.

Note that Israel invaded Lebanon and committed massacres that killed 10s of thousands of people and hired mercenaries to terrorize and subjugate the population before in a time that Hezbollah or any of the resistance groups to that matter didn't exist.
You can check the number of towns and villages razed to the ground by those mercenaries, or the number of men killed, and women raped and tortured by them to see why a strong and organized resistance movement along side a heavily armed population is no less than essential under the current conditions.

For Iran, Hezbollah's main funding comes first from the Baalbak clans, averaging around 5-10 billion dollars a year. Followed by the tribes which the Baalbak clans are connected to in Iran and Iraq, averaging to a couple of billion dollars a year. And then followed by Iranian government averaging around 100-200 million dollars a year. The Iranian government main reason for providing weapons and equipment to Hezbollah is because they have a large interest in keeping the investments of the Baalbak clans flowing into Iran and boosting the Iranian economy.
I'm sure you already know that Baalbak is pretty much the weed and drug capital of the middle east and a good portion of Europe, so there is alots of money there. And no, I don't think drugs are wrong, each person can choose what he or she does in their live regardless of other's opinions and that includes drugs.

[Pants-of-dog]

Yes,@Albert,

Toronto is always dealing with Islamic terrorism. There was that attack.....oh right. The golf club woman. Yeah, scary. All those people...well, they did not die. Nor were they injured. But she did swing a golf club while saying Allah Akbar.

You are obviously living in a dangerous place and have every right to tell the rest of us that we live in safe little bubbles.

[Rugoz]

Hezbollah has in fact become a proxy military force for Iran.

Indeed, and Iran regularly calls for the destruction of Israel. Not that I'm a fan of Israel's behavior in the region, but it's plain obvious that Lebanon is a target because of Hezbollah.

anasawad's views are only useful if they aren't about Iran and his "tribe", because then he goes full fanboy and loses all perspective.

[anasawad]

@Rugoz
Israel occupied Lebanon before Hezbollah even existed. Infact, the Shias in Lebanon welcomed Israel at first as they viewed the Israelis as liberators against the PLO.

The fact that Israel aggression against Lebanon predated Hezbollah blows your entire argument away.

And Israel's interest in Lebanon is in 2 main points: 1- Water, which is a cause of war all by itself in the middle east. And 2- natural gas.

Note that water rights is the same reason why Syria also invaded and occupied Lebanon for over 2 decades.

[noir]

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[Politiks]

@anasawad
Anasawad, I have just one question for you and I only ask you because you give me the impression that you are a reasonable guy.
I understand that Hezbollah is a resistance movement. They defend Lebanon against invaders like Israel was in South Lebanon several decades ago.
Since then Israel has left Lebanon.
So what is Hezbollah's "reason d'etre" now?

At the moment there is a standoff with harsh rhetoric but no action on either side between Hezbollah and Israel.
We have seen in 2006 that neither side can win a military conflict. Like in 2006, there will be huge damage, death and destruction, mainly in Lebanon, the whole of Lebanon.
I think we should cool things down and avoid a new military confrontation.
Do you honestly believe that Israel has an interest to invade Lebanon again? Except for fighting Hezbollah, I am convinced Israel has no such interest.
Hezbollah has in fact become a proxy military force for Iran. That is not defending the home country any more.

Ana saw isn't reasonable, he/she is very likely a Muslim and what he wrote is a huge distortion of history and true facts, he constructed a fake reality in order to further certain ideas.

You don't need to believe me, just google, search, talk to Lebanese who aren't Muslims or Palestine descend. The war with Israel only started after the Palestinian and Muslim minority in Lebanon took over.

Hezbollah imploded 2 buildings in Argentina in the 90' , killing 95 people and injuring hundreds of others. Was the only Islamic attack in South America and in a country that literally did nothing to Muslims or the Middle East.

Mohammad tells them to lie though, so I can't blame them. Remember Iran is one of the oldest countries, land of the Persians, was once Zoroastrian and look at Iran now. Just google Iran before 1979 and Lebanon before the Holy War. If what Ana Saw said was half truth don't you think Iran and Lebanon would become a improvement of their own old self and not Islamic fascist nations?

[skinster]

Do you honestly believe that Israel has an interest to invade Lebanon again? Except for fighting Hezbollah, I am convinced Israel has no such interest.

Thanks for accepting Hezbollah are a resistance org.

As for Israel, since it's a lunatic state that's constantly attacking the natives of Palestine as well as neighbouring states where they align with Islamists and continue airstrikes, we can be sure of Israel invading Lebanon again.

Israel has such interest:

[anasawad]

@Politiks

Ana saw isn't reasonable, he/she is very likely a Muslim and what he wrote is a huge distortion of history and true facts, he constructed a fake reality in order to further certain ideas.

Please then. Go ahead and share the "facts" and how they contradict what i said.

You don't need to believe me, just google, search, talk to Lebanese who aren't Muslims or Palestine descend. The war with Israel only started after the Palestinian and Muslim minority in Lebanon took over.

You can google search and get the same facts that i stated, from pretty much all sources.
And you can talk to Lebanese Christians who are actually in Lebanon and not ones that didn't live in Lebanon since a 100 years, and you'll see how many of them support Hezbollah and the resistance.
Infact, many Christian celebrities and leaders casually say that without Hezbollah, Israeli army would be in Jounieh. And even most Christian leaders from all sects are currently, and were for the past several years, allied with Hezbollah.
Ooh, you didn't follow up on the last presidential election in Lebanon to know that ?

Mohammad tells them to lie though, so I can't blame them. Remember Iran is one of the oldest countries, land of the Persians, was once Zoroastrian and look at Iran now. Just google Iran before 1979 and Lebanon before the Holy War. If what Ana Saw said was half truth don't you think Iran and Lebanon would become a improvement of their own old self and not Islamic fascist nations?

Lebanon has spent 2 decades under occupation from 2 foreign powers, and was invaded several times, as well as fighting a war against Islamists on the borders for years now.
And without any natural resources or anything to support it other than trade. If other countries, including your own if i may say, has been under the same conditions, they'd have collapsed long time ago. Infact many did indeed have.

And for Iran, clearly you cant read, Since Iran while under sanctions and siege and constant threat over the past several decades is now one of the fasted developing nations scientifically and technologically in the world. Number 1 fastest to be more specific. And conditions have improved massively in the past decades.

But you wanted to look at Iran before the revolution, i.e under the Shah's tyrannic rule. Ok, lets look at Iran.
Which side do you want to look at first ? The 70-80% poverty rate ? The homelessness rate affecting an estimate of 5% of the population ? Maybe the unemployment rate or the literacy rates all worse than most of the world back then ? How about social welfare, being non-existent back then as all the natural resources revenue went to the Shah and his bunch.
Or, my favorite, the death squads and secret police with all the massacres they committed against opposition to the Shah.
We can go on, just tell me which side do you want to focus on first.


And Islamic fascist states ? Lebanon is Islamist ? You some type of retard or what ? Have you even been following news of Lebanon anytime in the past years or even history ?

And ofcourse, Mohammed taught everyone to lie, said every full of shit poster to ever talk in history of PoFo when they're confronted with facts.