[Godstud]

Yeah, Maz. I sure am glad it has nothing to do with guns.

[ThirdTerm]

Two law enforcement sources briefed on the investigation identified the shooter as Devin Patrick Kelley, 26.
Kelley was once a member of the US Air Force, spokeswoman Ann Stefanek said. He served in logistics readiness at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico, starting in 2010.
Kelly was court-martialed in 2012 for two counts of Article 128 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, assault on his spouse and assault on their child, Stefanek said. Kelley received a bad conduct discharge, confinement for 12 months and a reduction in rank, she said. The Air Force did not provide a date of the discharge.
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/05/us/de ... index.html

The suspect was a violent person who was confined for 12 months by the military for attacking his spouse and child. Probably he was wrongly jailed for a year and it could have been an ordinary domestic dispute, making him extremely angry with the community which he felt wronged him.

[Godstud]

Right, so this person should have been denied access to firearms, and possibly this could have prevented this incident. If the US had any gun controls worth a shit, these incidents could be prevented.

I am talking gun control, not banning guns.

[noir]

Terrorism is one aspect of Islamic hate culture. When Muslims terroists do their thing is because they have been incited day and night. The problem with Islamic hijra (jihad by immigration) is that they infuse Islamism to Western world. This Islamism should be rejected whether it is still non violent or not.

[Godstud]

Terrorism is one aspect of Islamic hate culture. When Muslims terroists do their thing is because they have been incited day and night. The problem with Islamic hijra (jihad by immigration) is that they infuse Islamism to Western world. This Islamism should be rejected whether it is still non violent or not.

That has nothing to do with this thread, which is about white American men with guns killing lots of people. White American male gunmen are a bigger threat to Americans than Islam, or terrorism.

[noir]

Yeah right

[Red_Army]

Its not like she caused the shooting. Terrorism isn't a uniquely Islamic matter. The fact that you acknowledge this as a threat to your ideology shows that to be true. Every time there is Islamic terror someone posts a thread, why should people with a different perspective refrain?

[The Immortal Goon]

Oh look, it's Sunday night. Must be time to argue about what victims white men are because a white dude shot up a church.

[noir]

"Please don't be it a Muslim"

[Red_Army]

Your posts certainly have nothing to do with the Texas shooting.

[noir]

Admiit. Just because this OP has other intention.

[Zagadka]

Yea, because we should just not post about murder sprees killing 28 people. Non-story.

[noir]

Dlt

[foxdemon]

You can't make words mean something they are not. That's called bullshit.

Liberalism: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties; specifically :such a philosophy that considers government as a crucial instrument for amelioration of social inequities (such as those involving race, gender, or class).

If Liberals are degenerate trash, then Conservatives are fucking worse than degenerate trash.

Your statement is one of ignorance and idiocy.

That is a view that liberals like to have of themselves. The truth is liberalism is the ideology of the ascendancy of mercantile townsfolk, the bourgeoisie, over labour and the aristocracy. Liberalism = capitalism.

Liberal
adjective;

of, pertaining to, based on, or advocating liberalism, especially the freedom of the individual and governmental guarantees of individual rights and liberties.

In other words that the rich should not be bound by obligations to community. Liberalism = capitalism.


Just to clarify a few points liberals seem to be confused about.

1/ rule of law predates liberalism. Therefore liberalism is not required for rule of law.

2/ acedemic freedom and an open mind predates liberalism. Therefore liberalism is not required for freedom of intellectual inquiry or a curious mind.

3/ democracy predates liberalism. Therefore liberalism is not required for democracy.

4/ social justice was a response to the inequities of liberal capitalism. It is an expression of socialism. Therefore liberalism is not required for social justice.


All liberalism does is legitimate the capitalist way of life. Now, shall we discuss how contemporary liberalism has appropriated the ideals I listed, used them to entrench bourgeoisie class interests and then undermined the principles those ideals are based on?

Oh look, it's Sunday night. Must be time to argue about what victims white men are because a white dude shot up a church.

Nah mate. Tis a good night for a spot of liberal bashing. I suppose we should try harder to stay on topic, though.

[ingliz]

nothing to do with the Texas shooting.

My wife is buying me a new gun belt for Christmas - Hand-stitched, 18 oz leather, with a spring steel core - She chose the colour.

[Potemkin]

All liberalism does is legitimate the capitalist way of life. Now, shall we discuss how contemporary liberalism has appropriated the ideals I listed, used them to entrench bourgeoisie class interests and then undermined the principles those ideals are based on?

Indeed. But that process can only proceed so far before it hollows out the ideals it claims to represent sufficiently that they become mere formalisms in which nobody believes. They seem to be oblivious to the fact that they are undermining the basis of their own authority and status. The bourgeois liberals are like a guy sitting on a branch and cheerfully sawing through it, not realising what is likely to happen next....

[anarchist23]

Another mass shooting in the US. They are so common that soon they will not hit the headlines.
At least the Americans are getting a tast of their own medicine. Medicine that they've been dishing out to foreign nations for a century or so.

[Atlantis]

President Donald Trump, who is in Tokyo, has said the shooting was a “horrible crime” and an “act of evil.” He blamed the suspect’s “mental health problems” and said this was “not a guns situation”.

Poor dude staying up all night to watch FOX TV to be the first the announce another Islamist attack. Sucks to know that is one of your own, Donald, doesn't it? And guns don't of course have anything to do with shooting. If the shooter had been called Ali, he could have been clinically insane, it would of course have been a terrorist attack to serve in Trumps vendetta.

Reminds me of last year's shooting in Munich. The far-righters were salivating all over PoFo because the guy had an Iranian background. Now that it's been classified a far-right terrorist attack, it's of no more interest them.

[anarchist23]

It's not a laughing matter but the Americans are again terrorising each other. This cycle of violence will, it seems, never end. lol

[foxdemon]

Indeed. But that process can only proceed so far before it hollows out the ideals it claims to represent sufficiently that they become mere formalisms in which nobody believes. They seem to be oblivious to the fact that they are undermining the basis of their own authority and status. The bourgeois liberals are like a guy sitting on a branch and cheerfully sawing through it, not realising what is likely to happen next....

They do seem to suffer from a singular lack of foresight. Possibly this behaviour could be attributed to their habit of shifting the costs onto to someone else thus fostering a belief that consequences can be avoided.