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And of course there is all kinds of outrage from the typical whiners. Pretty good trolling though from President Trump and the White House.

Trump’s “National Day for the Victims of Communism” has one major problem

The White House commemorated Tuesday to the victims of communism, an abrupt homage from the Trump administration. In a statement, the White House identified Nov. 7 as the 100 year anniversary of the Bolshevik Revolution, which gave rise to communism in Russia. The White House called communism "a political philosophy incompatible with liberty, prosperity, and the dignity of human life."

"Today, the National Day for the Victims of Communism, marks 100 years since the Bolshevik Revolution took place in Russia," the statement said. "The Bolshevik Revolution gave rise to the Soviet Union and its dark decades of oppressive communism, a political philosophy incompatible with liberty, prosperity, and the dignity of human life.

Over the past century, communist totalitarian regimes around the world have killed more than 100 million people and subjected countless more to exploitation, violence, and untold devastation. These movements, under the false pretense of liberation, systematically robbed innocent people of their God-given rights of free worship, freedom of association, and countless other rights we hold sacrosanct. Citizens yearning for freedom were subjugated by the state through the use of coercion, violence, and fear.


The rhetoric in the statement was a stark departure from the language used in January when Trump honored International Holocaust Remembrance Day. The Trump White House's statement at the time omitted a reference to the Jewish people, who were targeted and killed by the Nazi regime.

The Trump White House also failed to mention the political ideology that birthed Nazism. On Tuesday for the "National Day for the Victims of Communism," the Trump White specifically called out communism, asserting it was "incompatible" with life and liberty. That same language did not appear in the Holocaust Remembrance Day statement, which did not even mention fascism.

The Trump White House's eagerness to condemn communism will likely please his base. Far-right politicians in Europe, especially in Hungary, frequently celebrate a day remembering the victims of communism.

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Beren wrote:How is this a relevant topic in the US? They never had communism there.


I guess mainly because US government claims to have been fighting Communism all over the world. And then there was that whole Red Scare and all.

Plus, the Holocaust didn't happen in the US either but the government still honors it multiple times per year, have various laws and policies related to it, and have issued declarations for it over the years.
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Godstud wrote:When is the National Day for victims of American Democracy?

Soon, soon. As soon as we overthrow the Trumps /s

Seriously, capitalism kills more in 5 years than socialism ever did. Even adjusting for population, socialism killed less per year than capitalism. And keep in mind that we only had one major model of socialism out of many schools of though (The authoritarian soviet model). The number could go way down in a more meritocratic/democratic nation that embraces socialism.
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MememyselfandIJK wrote:Soon, soon. As soon as we overthrow the Trumps /s

Seriously, capitalism kills more in 5 years than socialism ever did. Even adjusting for population, socialism killed less per year than capitalism. And keep in mind that we only had one major model of socialism out of many schools of though (The authoritarian soviet model). The number could go way down in a more meritocratic/democratic nation that embraces socialism.


"Victim" does not necessarily equal to "killed", also "stripping of freedom, fairness, etc". USSR, PR China, NK and Cambodia all commit (or once committed) very bad atrocities against their own people, while democracies usually make people in other countries suffer.

AFAIK some people around me find the latter much more justifiable, because they believe governments should maximize their citizens' gain, even at the expense of other nation's people. In their opinion, that's why governments exist in the first place.

P.S. IMHO this is why some Hong Kong people seek independence, because they think the Chinese Government does not treat them as it should (in Western standards maybe).
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Patrickov wrote:Just a segment? We in Hong Kong are universally suffering! Please explain your case and see how serious it is.


I have no idea how playing oppression olympics is going to support or refute anything.

Even if HK is somehow more oppressed than indigenous people in Canada, it does not change the fact that capitalist democracies such as Canada and the US target their own citizens when they can profit from said targeting.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:I have no idea how playing oppression olympics is going to support or refute anything.

Even if HK is somehow more oppressed than indigenous people in Canada, it does not change the fact that capitalist democracies such as Canada and the US target their own citizens when they can profit from said targeting.


If there are sufficiently many people some will bound to have more power and / or tend to oppress others for more gain. It's OK to aim for absolute fairness and freedom but if we compare the currently operating social systems we still have to compare their pros and cons on a relative scale. It's not right to claim "both systems are not better than each other" if one indeed does less (unnecessary) damage.
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Patrickov wrote:If there are sufficiently many people some will bound to have more power and / or tend to oppress others for more gain. It's OK to aim for absolute fairness and freedom but if we compare the currently operating social systems we still have to compare their pros and cons on a relative scale. It's not right to claim "both systems are not better than each other" if one indeed does less (unnecessary) damage.


Okay. What does this have to do with your previous claim about capitalist nations not targeting their own people?
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I would like to take this moment to point out, again, that Pol Pot endorsed the destruction of the urban proletariat and was backed by Thatcher and Reagan. The regime ended when the Vietnamese Red Army went over to rid the world of such filth.

The Khamier Rouge are one of these victims of communism we are asked to mourn and celebrate.

Also North Korea is not socialist, it is Jouch and explicitly not communist. In fact, one of the first things the regime did was get rid of the Marxists (who at that time represented foreign occupation in their eyes).

Facts about these kinds of specifics are hard to get in NK, but let’s assume that at least one Marxist fought back and killed someone in the NK regime. That way we can remember the brave Kim regime and its victims at the hands of the communists along with the Khamier Rouge, Italian Fascists, and Nazi Party.
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Pants-of-dog wrote:Okay. What does this have to do with your previous claim about capitalist nations not targeting their own people?


Unfortunately I didn't say "capitalist nation didn't target their own people". I just said Western governments (unintentionally?) serve their people better than Chinese or Russian governments, but usually at the expense of people that live in technological, ideological or economically inferior parts of the world.
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The Immortal Goon wrote:I would like to take this moment to point out, again, that Pol Pot endorsed the destruction of the urban proletariat and was backed by Thatcher and Reagan. The regime ended when the Vietnamese Red Army went over to rid the world of such filth.


Pol Pot was ousted before either of them were in power. They backed Pol Pot effectively because they don't want Vietnamese (and thus Soviet) domination. While I wouldn't ennoble this intention, I am shocked to find you literally twisting facts.

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