[Hindsite]

Would you fund a Muslim that had just confiscated Christian property on a whim without any warrant?

Absolutely not.

Wouldn't supporting such a person make you a Muslim?

Not if you are a Christian.

What kind of Christian calls the arbitrary confiscation of Christian property "so-called"?

One that does not know if there was such a confiscation of Christian property. Wasn't it so-called harassing of Christians to pay the taxes they owed?
What kind of wealthy Christians would refuse to pay the taxes they owed or any debt they owed?
Praise the Lord.

[noir]

The debate between the two branch of Christianity is telling. These Churches took their entitlement and arrogance as granted. To ask them to pay on services they use is "harassment" and "steal". We need more Protestant ethics.

[noemon]

Also it is good to see American "Christians" supporting the confiscation of church property at the barrel of an IDF rifle. Protestants really are fraudsters, they have about as much to do with Christianity as a Mongol sky worshiper.

At least Hindsite, however anti-Christian his support for the illegal and arbitrary confiscation of Christian property he stands here and supports it no matter how that makes him look, which is kudos to him. Most other fake Christians in here do not even have the balls to speak up one way or another. But we can all imagine their outrage if that was a Muslim Mayor spitting on the law that protects the Christian Holy Sites in Jerusalem.

The even greater curiosity here is people arguing that Christians should have less rights under Israel than they had under the Muslims thus giving the Muslims the higher-ground.

[noir]

Most other fake Christians in here do not even have the balls to speak up one way or another.

There are no many Christians left. Decky is Catholic by culture but he hates Christianity. Hindsite is Protestant American of certain age, jessupjonesjnr87 and anarchist23 may be Catholics too, usually the Catholic Anglos are more anti Jewish than the average Anglo, but this debate is too retarted even to them. It's obvious for any Western person that you have to pay on what you take. The Easterners have different mentality.

[noemon]

Your curiosity noir is that you are arguing that Christians should have less rights under Israel than they had under the Muslims thus openly admitting that you are worse than Muslims. Someone should inform you that in normal countries mayors do not make up fines and then confiscate the money from the bank accounts of the Christian churches.

[noir]

Newsflash. The Othoman Caliphate is long dead. The situation today is totally different. Because of welfare state arrangements, most of the citizens of Jerusalem are not paying taxes at all. They are too "poor". That city is composed by religious of the three religions and the voluntarily unemplyment is very high.

It wasn't the case during the Othoman Caliphate. Someone needs to pay taxes, right now only the few secular Israelis are doing it and it's not enough. The city lookS ugly and poor, you wouldn't guess it's a capital city.

Fun fact. Most of Israel national security goes to ... "Palestinians" Arab in Israel. Who heard about benefits in any Arab or Muslim country, today or in the past? No onder it's the fastest growing Arab community anywhere in the world.

[noemon]

It still does not change the fact that you are arguing that Christians should have less rights than they had under the Muslims thus recognising that you treat the Christians worse than the Muslims did.

If you need money that does not give you the right to illegally raid the bank accounts of the Christian Churches. And what is worse is that property taxes even in Israel are paid when a transaction takes place .ie when someone buys or sells property. The Christian Churches own these buildings long before the State of Israel was created and they do pay these taxes when they make transactions like everyone else.

Because of welfare state arrangements, most of the citizens of Jerusalem are not paying taxes at all.

So what you are saying is that the Christian Churches are supposed to fund Jewish welfare seekers in Jerusalem. A community of 8000 Christians is supposed to fund the welfare benefits of 500,000 Jews.

The Othoman Caliphate is long dead. The situation today is totally different.

Are you saying that Jerusalem was richer under the Ottomans than it is under Israel?

[noir]

Maybe, the municipality had enough with their arrogance. Anyway, it's doubtful they will pay anything. In the end, there will be probably an arrangement between the municipality and the government who will compensate their poor badget. After all these greedy powerful churches are turning the issue into diplomatic crisis. Maybe the state will decide it can't afford it in this moment.

In the end the Eastern Churches may once again get their way, but it won't add to their bad repetition. So what is the point?

A community of 8000 Christians

It's not about the "community". The churches are instiutions with many assets. One of the biggest land owners in the country. Even the building of the Israeli parliament was built on hired Greek Orthodoxy Church land.

[noemon]

It's not about the "community". The churches are instiutions with many assets. One of the biggest land owners in the country. Even the building of the Israeli parliament was built on hired Greek Orthodoxy Church land.

There are rich Jews in western countries noir, I do not see you arguing that we should all turn communist, and take away their property to give it to welfare seekers. By hook and by crook Israeli settlers are taking over Christian property in Jerusalem. And that is what this is about. Because it is not enough that Christian people have completely vanished from Jerusalem, now the Christian Church itself is under attack.

[noir]

Leave the welfare seekers aside. The Israeli taxpayers are paying for it including the Arab parasites. The Churches are wealthy institutions, the Greek Orthodxy Church is probably the greatest land owner in Israel. Seems it's gap of culture. You can't grasp why "holy people" sould do a mortal deed like paying taxes. The Protestants are not seeing things this way.

[noemon]

Leave the welfare seekers aside. The Israeli taxpayers are paying for it including the Arab parasites.

You are the one who said that the Christian Churches should pay for the welfare arrangements of the majority of Jerusalem's Jewish citizens who do not pay taxes:

Because of welfare state arrangements, most of the citizens of Jerusalem are not paying taxes at all.

The Churches are wealthy institutions, the Greek Orthodxy Church is probably the greatest land owner in Israel. Seems it's gap of culture. You can't grasp why "holy people" sould do a mortal deed like paying taxes. The Protestants are not seeing things this way.

Seems like you cannot grasp reality, property taxes even in Israel are paid when someone buys or sells a property and the Christian churches pay these taxes like everybody else when they do buy and sell their properties, now you are illegally fining them for properties they had since before Israel was created in an attempt to make them sell these properties to Jewish settlers at firesale prices.

[noir]

You are the one who said that the Christian Churches should pay for the welfare arrangements for the majority of Jerusalem's Jewish citizens who do not pay taxes:

I wasn't understood. I meant to show how poor is the city and how it differs from the Othoman government. The Ottomans had no serious badget for anything. Each person for its own. At least in Palestine.

Don't worry, the Christians are not giving away anything they are just entitled to take. This debate is so odd.

[noemon]

I meant to show how poor is the city and how it differs from the Othoman government.

Are you saying that Jerusalem was better off under the Ottomans than it is under Israel?

Don't worry, the Christians are not giving away anything they are just entitled to take. This debate is so odd.

That's funny because Israel has already confiscated the properties of the Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant Churches illegally.

[noir]

Of course not. It was rotten as hell with many lepers and beggars, read Mark Twain, but the goverment had almost no expenses and they didn't think it's their duty to provide any service. It was a feudal country with the Churches and the Arab Raʾīses (sitting in Lebanon/Syria) as rulling class. Today, the municipality has huge expenses because the state takes on itself to provide many services. Since the town is mostly religious there is chronic shortage in funds. Jerusalem is the poorest city in Israel which is quite remarkable record since it's the offical capital.

Some say, the city was better off during the British Mandate. Much less religious and many more tax payers.

[noemon]

Some say, the city was better off during the British Mandate. Much less religious and many more tax payers.

The British mandate also recognised and formalised the rights of Christians as defined in the Status Quo for the Holy Sites which Israel is undermining today.

but the goverment had almost no expenses and they didn't think it's their duty to provide any service.

That is also funny because the Ottomans and the British provided free water to Jews and Christians for their Holy Sites and they did not invent these arbitrary taxes against Christians. In 2012 Christians were given backdated water bills for water in their Holy Sites and now this.

[noir]

Can't unsderstand this debate. You want special status at all costs. Why?

[noemon]

You will find that people have this peculiar thing noir, they want their existing rights to be respected. For some reason you want to remove people's rights without them uttering any kind of protest. Is that something that you support for your own people? To have their rights removed? And what are you hoping to accomplish exactly noir? The total extinction of Christians from Jerusalem? The international embarrassment of Israel? Christian countries went to war every single time someone tried to change the Status Quo of the Holy Sites in Jerusalem.

By the mid-19th century, the Ottoman Empire was in terminal decline. Napoleon III of France pressed the sultan to restore the pre-1757 status quo, appealing to a 1740 treaty. Nicholas I of Russia threatened to invade Turkey if this happened.

http://www.bibleinterp.com/articles/sepulchre.shtml

[noir]

Christian countries went to war every single time someone tried to change the Status Quo of the Holy Sites in Jerusalem.

The pathetic "Christians" of today have different priorities, like giving tribute to Islam. You live in a very dated world.

[noir]

The Christians are not going to be extincted in the Holy Land. It was just annonced that Ta’alin Abu Hanna from Nazareth, the Arab Christian who won the Miss transsexual Israel (who comes second in Miss Transsexual final) will make an history and will compete in the official Miss Israel pageant.

In 1999, Rana Raslan from Haifa of Muslim and Christian Arab heritage won the title Miss Israel

[skinster]

Despite threat, Trump budget still funds countries that opposed Jerusalem move
President opts not to follow through on warning he would stop aiding those who voted to condemn recognition of Jerusalem as Israel's capital; moving embassy deemed a high priority

WASHINGTON — After repeatedly threatening to cut aid to countries that voted against the United States over its recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital, US President Donald Trump left foreign assistance to them untouched in his 2019 budget proposal published on Monday.

Despite the threats, 128 countries voted for the December resolution, and aid to all those countries was unaffected in the $4.4 trillion budget plan that envisions steep cuts to America’s social safety net but mounting spending on the military.

“If you look at our budget, it is focused on where we think the most appropriate assistance level should be based on where our security needs are,” said Hari Sastry, director of the Office of US Foreign Assistance Resources.

When asked whether any specific assistance was reduced based on December’s UN vote, Sastry said, “There’s nothing specific just tied to that because that is only one factor.”

The budget also notes that money will need to be allocated for moving the embassy to Jerusalem, which it calls a high priority.

“The construction of a U.S. Embassy facility in Jerusalem will be among the Department’s highest priority for capital security investments in FY 2018 and FY 2019,” the document says.

Last month, the Trump administration announced it was accelerating its transfer of the US Embassy in Israel, with a plan to have the facility ready in Jerusalem by the end of 2019 by using an existing building.

Trump incensed the international community on December 6, when he formally recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and set in motion plans to relocate the US embassy there from Tel Aviv.

The United Nations General Assembly responded to that decision by passing a resolution that condemned Trump’s controversial move. It passed overwhelmingly by a vote of 128-9, despite repeated threats from Trump and other administration officials that the US would not continue to send foreign aid money to countries that voted for the resolution.

“Let them vote against us,” Trump said. “We’ll save a lot. We don’t care. But this isn’t like it used to be where they could vote against you and then you pay them hundreds of millions of dollars. We’re not going to be taken advantage of any longer.”

US Ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley also said the US would be “taking names,” hinting at punitive measures.

Since then, though, administration officials have sent mixed signals about whether they plan to go through with the threat.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/despite-t ... alem-move/