[Oxymoron]

Palestinians are the Kings of overplaying their cards, what a bunch of idiots.

[skinster]

Uhh when did they have any "cards"?

I mean, post the 1940s, after they were colonized by European settlers who took over their lands and lives (and continues to do since "Israel" doesn't have absolute control of Palestine and the Palestinians just yet)

[Rich]

If and when an explicit Infidel Arab movement emerges it will have my support, both against Muslims and Jews. Currently Arab nationalism is just a stalking horse for Islam. When given a choice between Liberal Israel and Muslims I will generally side with Israel. That is complicated however by Israel's alliance with Sunni terrorism against the Shia. The Twelvers are the lesser evil, although they are still a great evil.

[Oxymandias]

@Hindsite

Yes, but Palestine formerly did and so a nation known as Palestine did exist at a period of time and was destroyed after Israel was established. Also no one is going to make the stupid decision of recognizing Jerusalem as Israel's capital. It causes instability and outrage for no fucking reason. Why bring to light the obvious? Honestly Trump has no idea how to do politics.

>Says no ethnic cleansing of Arabs
>Israeli government says Arabs need to be ethnically cleansed
>Settlers frequently displace Arabs from homes
>Israel's goddamn Prime Minister has explicitly stated over and over again that Arabs need to be ethnically cleansed

"There is no ethnic cleansing of Arabs"

[Oxymoron]

Uhh when did they have any "cards"?

I mean, post the 1940s, after they were colonized by European settlers who took over their lands and lives (and continues to do since "Israel" doesn't have absolute control of Palestine and the Palestinians just yet)

If that is true perhaps they should think about their position an reanalyze their strategy.

[skinster]

If?

Typical of zionists to not have a clue about what happened quite recently. I guess years of mythology maketh the zionist so I guess your ignorance isn't really your own fault, but it's never too late to learn Oxy. Build that brain of yours.

[Oxymoron]

If?

Typical of zionists to not have a clue about what happened quite recently. I guess years of mythology maketh the zionist so I guess your ignorance isn't really your own fault, but it's never too late to learn Oxy. Build that brain of yours.

Barbarian telling me to build my brain...hilarious

You should take the time to educate yourself, outside the masterful use of emoticons that is.

[QatzelOk]

:lol: Palestinians are the Kings of overplaying their cards, what a bunch of idiots.

I'm sure that Trump's casinos appreciate your Poker reference. 'They're bluffing. Israel has a straight flush Ace high. Gin!'

Personally, I like the expression 'road map' because it makes it sound like it's all about oil and car consumption.

[skinster]

Bannon: Adelson Drove Jerusalem Embassy Move
Candidate Donald Trump claimed that he wouldn’t be beholden to campaign donors and slammed his Republican primary opponents as puppets of their wealthy patrons. “Sheldon Adelson is looking to give big dollars to Rubio because he feels he can mold him into his perfect little puppet. I agree!” Trump tweeted in October 2015. But an excerpt from Michael Wolff’s upcoming book Fire and Fury quotes Steve Bannon, who served as CEO of the Trump campaign and went on to become White House chief strategist, effectively acknowledging that Adelson has been a driving force behind the Trump administration’s foreign policy decision-making.

Adelson and his wife Miriam contributed $35 million to help elect Trump, making the couple Trump’s biggest campaign supporters.

An excerpt published in New York Magazine describes a dinner attended by Roger Ailes two weeks before Trump’s inauguration. Wolff writes [my emphasis]:

On December 6, the Trump White House, marking a huge shift in U.S. policy, recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and declared its intention to move the U.S. embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. Past presidents refused to move the embassy on grounds that it would upset potential talks between Israeli and Palestinian negotiators and thwart efforts to achieve a two-state solution, but Adelson publicly pushed the White House to make the move.

Earlier this week, Trump went even further, tweeting that he had “taken Jerusalem off [the negotiating] table,” effectively making a unilateral decision about a key issue that previous administrations had maintained could only be decided in talks between Palestinian and Israeli negotiators.

But Trump’s biggest supporter wasn’t pleased with the administration’s slowness to fulfill its campaign promise.

Adelson, who once accused Palestinians of existing “to destroy Israel,” was reportedly “furious” with Secretary of State Rex Tillerson in May for suggesting in a Meet The Press interview that moving the embassy should be contingent on the peace process, a position consistent with previous administrations. Axios reported:

[S]ources say the Las Vegas billionaire doesn’t buy the argument that the embassy move should be contingent on the peace process. He has told Trump that Palestinians are impossible negotiating partners and make demands that Israel can never meet.

Adelson and his wife Miriam spent more than $80 million on Republicans in 2016, and he gave $5 million to Trump’s inauguration.

Adelson even used his own newspaper, the Las Vegas Review Journal, to telegraph his displeasure with Trump’s slowness to deliver on the promised embassy move. “The Adelsons reportedly have been disappointed in Trump’s failure to keep a campaign pledge to move the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem on his first day in office,” according to an article published in October. But as Wolff quotes Bannon saying last January, that may have been more than a campaign promise. It may have been a personal promise to Adelson in exchange for his support.

Bannon’s characterization of Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and casino billionaire Adelson as the two most important individuals steering U.S. policy on a sensitive matter is a shift from the independence Trump touted as a candidate.

Iran is another issue where Adelson’s influence can be felt. Adelson also proposes deploying a nuclear weapon against Iran and vehemently opposes the Iran nuclear deal (known as the JCPOA). During the campaign, Trump called the JCPOA “the stupidest deal of all time” and told an American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee audience, “My number-one priority is to dismantle the disastrous deal with Iran.” In the middle of January, Trump will face a deadline to reimpose sanctions, potentially in violation of the JCPOA, or waive the sanctions. Here, too, Trump may well reveal that he made a commitment to adopt a hawkish foreign policy in the Middle East in exchange for Adelson’s support.
http://lobelog.com/bannon-adelson-drove ... assy-move/

[Nonsense]

Not really.

Where is the source of your assertion,or is it in reality,a question for which you have no clue as to what reality is?

[skinster]

You what?

[LehmanB]

If and when an explicit Infidel Arab movement emerges it will have my support, both against Muslims and Jews.

There is such a movement: Baathists (National- socialists). These are the secular pan-Arab nationalists who were sided with USSR.
Among them: Naasser, Saadam Hussein, Assad. Assad is fighting the Islamists. They are infidels who oppress Islam and fight Jews.
The problem of course is there isn't any powerful liberal movement, it is all either religious either commie.

Currently Arab nationalism is just a stalking horse for Islam. When given a choice between Liberal Israel and Muslims I will generally side with Israel. That is complicated however by Israel's alliance with Sunni terrorism against the Shia. The Twelvers are the lesser evil, although they are still a great evil.

Well thats a serious western problem. Saudia is first a USA ally, as well as these Gulf countries are also European allys.
This is of course a dance with snakes.

[Deutschmania]

History has been made: Trump recognized Jerusalem as Israel's capital - Muslims all over the world are outraged

Giving Jerusalem to Palestinian Muslims is like giving the Vatican to the Islamic state.
Australian Foreign Minister Julie Bishop joined the France President, Turkey's President, Hamas, Palestinian Authority, the Islamic Jihad and ISIS,calling on Trump not to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel without the approval of the Muslim world...

See more:
https://freespeechtime.blogspot.com/201 ... nized.html

Not just Muslims are outraged , so are such Christians as this one for instance . https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/07/christians-holy-land-jerusalem-settlers?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+USA+-+Collections+2017&utm_term=259636&subid=15556394&CMP=GT_US_collection Jerusalem is the holy land and home to more than simply News , or for that matter Muslims .

[Hindsite]

@ skinster
Why are you so hung up about what happens with Israel?
What is wrong with Jerusalem being the capital city of Israel?

[skinster]

@ skinster
Why are you so hung up about what happens with Israel?

Because I care for my friends who live and work there and the couple who aren't allowed to return to their families. Why do you?

What is wrong with Jerusalem being the capital city of Israel?

Lots of things. You can find a number of Western politicians criticizing the move, see what they're saying, it might explain why even zionists have a problem with this.

It doesn't matter though, zionists have been colonizing East Jerusalem for years, kicking Palestinians from their homes there, ethnically-cleansing them and giving their home to illegal settlers. This move basically just brought attention back to something that was already happening.

[Hindsite]

Because I care for my friends who live and work there and the couple who aren't allowed to return to their families. Why do you?

You would be better off minding your own business.

You can find a number of Western politicians criticizing the move, see what they're saying, it might explain why even zionists have a problem with this.

You can't be serious that you think the people of Israel do not have the right to determine their own capital. It is not other countries business to criticize such things. They don't do it for other countries, Israel should be no exception.

It doesn't matter though, zionists have been colonizing East Jerusalem for years, kicking Palestinians from their homes there, ethnically-cleansing them and giving their home to illegal settlers. This move basically just brought attention back to something that was already happening.

So actually, it is no big deal then. HalleluYah

[noir]

In fact it's the other way around. East Jerusalem become Arab (for about 19 years between 1948 war and 1967 war) after the Jordanians kicked out the indigenous Jews (not Zionists settlers) and destroyed the synagogues. The Taqqyah propagandists propably don't know the history. The Pallywood propaganda is using the "ethnic cleansing" narrative so many fall on thie lies.

[noir]

The ethnic cleansing of the Jews from East Jerusalem. Sometimes the Taqqyah propagandists so believe in their own lies that very often they show these images on their "Palestinian" ethnic cleansing narrative.

[Libertarian353]

The ethnic cleansing of the Jews from East Jerusalem. Sometimes the Taqqyah propagandists so believe in their own lies that very often they show these images on their "Palestinian" ethnic cleansing narrative.

Jews are ethnic cleansing Blacks and other minorities. I believe they couldn't care less about your pity.

[anasawad]

indigenous Jews ? and in Jerusalem ?

The Jews made up at most 5-6% of the population before the 20th century, Those Jewish communities were not actually native but rather formed from various Jewish migrations into the land across the centuries. Since generally speaking, All "Native Jews" are not Jews any more, i.e they converted to either Christianity or Islam very long time ago.

The Jews who lived in Jerusalem (very few) were mainly migrants from eastern Europe. I'm nott really sure how to spell their name and too tired to look it up.

The native Jews, i.e Hebrews; you know, the original Jews, are the ones who made up the bulk of the early Christians and latter on early Muslims.