[starman2003]

They are Americans the same as you are.

Unfortunately the people on capital hill are heavily influenced by those who consider a foreign power #1.

America has lots of complecated international interests and in the middle east its between strengthning your allys or appeasing your opponents,

Israel is not an ally in the sense of a nation worth supporting because of mutual interests or intrinsic value. It is a dinky, almost worthless nation we're have ben forced to support because of the power of some people here it consider it more important than the US itself.
Had the US been anti-Israel, just about every nation in the region would gladly be our ally. If we have enemies in the region it is because traitors here forced them to act against us.

or leaving it to the Russians and Chinese.

Who like nearly every other nation besides ours, have the sense to realize arab states and Iran are more important than Israel.

[Nonsense]

Not withstanding that we live in the 21st Century, President TRUMP is 100% CORRECT & RIGHT in recognising Jerusalem as the Capital of Israel.
Jerusalem was\is predominantly occupied by the 'Jewish' community for some 3000 years, long before either 'Christianity' or 'Islam' even existed.

The' Jewish' state as 1948 onwards by 'Great'(subjective) Britain through the Balfour 'statement' or 'promise' is a belated recognition that the Palestinian 'Jewish' people are entitled to have their own 'national' home in their own area historically rife with warfare.
The FACT is 'Jewish' people have existed there before the concept of national state's as we know it today even existed.

It's a fact that so-called 'national' boundaries have always been fluid due to national insecurity inability to stop incursion or takeover by 'foreigners'.

'Occupied' territory is in this case, land that has been lost to Israel due to 'act-of-war' against Israel, that is a legitimate aquiescent by Israel.

When you wage war against your neighbour,you don't get a 'free lunch', you pay the price if you don't 'win' through total capitulation,in Israel's case, by loss of your own territory & no matterwhat the UN says can alter that fact.

The truth is that,had the Jews in 1948 took the Arab occupied area of Gaza,there would probably not have been any further acts of terrorism by the Palestinians post 1967.

[skinster]

^ what a load of hasbara bullshit. If you're going to make amazingly retarded claims, try to attach some sources, Nonsense. (btw your screen-name is fitting)


Colliric why are you posting videos from 2015? It's off-topic at a minimum. I've reported a number of similar posts ITT but for some reason they're being ignored. Please stay on topic. This topic is about Trump's dumbest move thus far.

Reminder:

[Rich]

Judaism is racism made into a religion. Blut und Boden, Blood and Soil. Judaism was national socialism, moderate on the socialism, heavy on the nationalism. The kibbutz movement was just a secular version of this theocratic national socialism. But judaism is not just a version of racial nationalism. it is the original racial nationalism. It was the inspiration for all the ethnic European nationalist movements. They all read about it in their bibles. This was the Nazis dirty little secret that ancient Israel was their inspiration, their template.

This why as a British anti Christian man, I honour Hus, Luther and and Calvin. This is why allowing us to read the Jewish scriptures was so revolutionary and allowed us to being the long journey of throwing off the demeted self hating jew worship that is the Christian religion.

The initial Arab conquerors were judaists although almost certainly not orthodox. This is why the proto Muslims prayed to Jerusalem just like other Jews. Later they fabricated the Meccan story, invented their desert origins and sought to hide their Jewish origins. This is the joke of why Jerusalem is a holy city for Muslims. The Mohammed ascension story was fabricated to explain away their reverence for the Jewish city.

[Zag Note: Please focus more on the topic than spiritual talk]

[noir]

This why as a British anti Christian man, I honour Hus, Luther and and Calvin. This is why allowing us to read the Jewish scriptures was so revolutionary and allowed us to being the long journey of throwing off the demeted self hating jew worship that is the Christian religion.

@Rich didn't get the point. How is the Hebrew Bible seemed to you?

[Beren]

Well he said he was going to do it, but how is this MAGA? And will Americans be on the hook to pay for this as usual?

The same could be asked about the Trump presidency as a whole. Trump is a sell-out president selling out America, and its future, the Jerusalem issue is just a crystallised quint-essence of it.

[colliric]

I've made my point and I am on topic. These people hate the US Presidents in equal measure. Trump is receiving the same treatment as the last lot.

These people are gonna pull this violent protest shit no matter what you do.

It's foolish to say Trump's declaration "changed things, oh look how more angry they are, he's made it worse"... uhh no,this is business as usual.

Stop claiming this stuff is new. There is no viable two state solution with Hamas a group that has issued continuous threats and had numerous regular violent demonstrations against Jews and US Presidents.

These people are insane there is no need to get on your knees in front of them. In fact it's gotten to the point where we probably should do as much as we can to PISS THEM OFF.

[skinster]

Palestinians have every right to hate US presidents since the US has allowed Israel to continue to oppress them for decades. They're not alone in there hate. I'm sure more than half the people on PoFo do too. Big fucking deal. This pathetic boot-licking bullshit you display like people need to love the American presidents is just, fuck off with that shit.

Trump's declaration changed things insofar as it removed the mask off the dead 2-state solution.

This isn't really business as usual though, since the majority of the world is condemning this action.

The 2-state solution was always bullshit; a facade to allow Israel to steal more Palestinian land, which is exactly what has happened. Still, it was the PA, not Hamas, who the Israelis were dealing with re: the fake 2-state-solution plans. Hopefully the PA will now become obsolete since it's been serving Israeli interests, ultimately.

[Drlee]

Trump's declaration changed things insofar as it removed the mask off the dead 2-state solution.

Trump did not kill the two-state solution. Every Palestinian terrorist who lobbed a missile at a school or otherwise attacked Israel using terror tactics did. I sure as fuck would not allow people who shoot at me to become a nation right next door. And I would not be nearly as nice as Israel has been to these terrorists.

If Mexico did to the US what Palestinians routinely do to Israel then there would be no Mexican independence.

And for the record.

Make no mistake. The overwhelming majority of Americans simply to not like "Arabs" very much. We have had just about enough terrorism, chest pounding threats and death to America crap. The region is a shit hole and it finds itself WAY to important. Trump's move will be condemned by many all of the while these same people will be secretly approving of what he did... If for no other reason than to kick sand in the face of people that they really do not separate very much from ISIL.

You have to remember that the majority of Americans can't even find Palestine on the map not to mention have any appreciation of the history of the region. The ones who do, remember quite well that Israel was attacked by its neighbors and kicked these neighbor's asses for their trouble. They know who is lobbing bombs at who. The dislike the terrifying shit they see on TV. They hate hanging homosexuals. Beheading. Beatings. The oppression of women. All ascribed to this thing called "Islam". Sure they have been taught the "all Muslims are not terrorists" crap for years. They still don't want Ali to move in next door. Then the Turkish president (good Arab) visits the US and we see his embassy guards attacking a crowd of Americans. Nice move, don't you think?

Nope. Trump did what most Americans secretly or openly wanted him to do. You and I may see the move as stupid but most Americans really don't. And unlike just about anywhere in the Middle East we at least pretend to be a democracy.

[noir]

if America will fall like Europe we all lost.

[Beren]

Trump did not kill the two-state solution.

Indeed, as well as he didn't kill Rabin.

After 10 months of educating themselves on the complexities of the world’s most intractable dispute, White House officials said, Mr. Trump’s team of relative newcomers to Middle East peacemaking has moved into a new phase of its venture in hopes of transforming what it has learned into tangible steps to end a stalemate that has frustrated even presidents with more experience in the region.

Well, the stalemate is ended for sure.

[skinster]

Trump did not kill the two-state solution. Every Palestinian terrorist who lobbed a missile at a school or otherwise attacked Israel using terror tactics did. I sure as fuck would not allow people who shoot at me to become a nation right next door. And I would not be nearly as nice as Israel has been to these terrorists.

The two-state solution was dead before it started. It has always been bullshit because Israel has always been about taking as much land as possible and never any interest about peace with the natives.

You are a typical ignorant American who doesn't have a clue about the so-called conflict. You're probably an extremist evangelical type who supports all this because you believe in dumb shit like Jesus's second coming and Armageddon having to take place in a state called Israel. I don't even know why Jewish zionists support Evangelical Christians on this shit since according to that whole mythology, millions of Jews will be killed, but smart-zionists is an oxymoron, so....

Israel has never been "nice" to the natives:

What will be ignored, like always, is the 70 years of daily violence carried out by the Israeli state against Palestinians in Israel and the occupied territories. The media will ignore that three-quarters of a million Palestinians have been eternally displaced; more than 500 Palestinian villages have been ethnically cleansed; more than 30,000 Palestinian homes have been demolished; nearly one million Palestinians have been incarcerated by their occupiers; and that 5 million Palestinians live under a brutal Israeli military occupation that is supported by 700,000 heavily armed Israeli settlers.

The media will also ignore the socio-economic violence that living under occupation and apartheid imparts on the Palestinian people, resulting in lower health, education, income and employment outcomes. It will also ignore the Warsaw ghetto like conditions that 2 million Palestinians in Gaza are permanently caged to, with the United Nations declaring the enclave, or rather “open air prison,” to be unlivable within 2 years.

In short, when Palestinians aren’t being segregated, humiliated, and denied freedom of movement, they’re being arrested, detained, tortured, starved and bombed. This has been their plight for 70 years, a plight made worse by a dishonest and untrustworthy broker – the United States of America – which has for the better part of the last half century done nothing to halt the Israeli colonial expansion project.

While the Palestinians have long been completely forsaken by the international community, Trump’s upheaval of the status quo promises to increase the sense of betrayal, humiliation, frustration, and hopelessness Palestinians and the Arab world writ large feels towards the Western world, but more so than ever before, they will fixate their anger towards the United States.
https://ahtribune.com/us/trump-at-war/2 ... salem.html

Make no mistake. The overwhelming majority of Americans simply to not like "Arabs" very much. We have had just about enough terrorism, chest pounding threats and death to America crap. The region is a shit hole and it finds itself WAY to important. Trump's move will be condemned by many all of the while these same people will be secretly approving of what he did... If for no other reason than to kick sand in the face of people that they really do not separate very much from ISIL.

Wrong! 63% of Americans oppose this move.

But...

Make no mistake. The overwhelming majority of the world simply to not like "Americans" very much. We have had just about enough terrorism, chest pounding threats, regime changes, torture and We Love Freedom crap. America is a shit hole where cops go around killing people with impunity, where people have to beg online to be treated for healthcare, where the GOP tax bill is a massive fuck you to the poor, where your roads and general infrastructure is crumbling etc.etc.etc. Trump's move has been condemned by pretty much everyone who isn't a zionist-extremist or evagelical-psychopath.

As for ISIL, that's an American creation who the US and Israel have armed, trained, provided air-cover for (in Syria) etc. If it was genuinely for the people of the middle east, it would aim fire at Israel. But that happened once and ISIL subsequently apologized for it, for hurting their own. I posted that in a thread earlier but here it is again.

You have to remember that the majority of Americans can't even find Palestine on the map not to mention have any appreciation of the history of the region. The ones who do, remember quite well that Israel was attacked by its neighbors and kicked these neighbor's asses for their trouble.

It's clear Americans like you have no understanding of the history of the region, you've taken what you've learned from the topic probably from your extremist church or from your mainstream media which brainwashes eejits with zionist propaganda.

As for the "Israel was attacked by its neighbors" mythology, Miko Peled has proven how this is bullshit from the Israeli generals meetings that were taken place at that time (his father was a general). Stop repeating bullshit that's already been exposed as bullshit.

They know who is lobbing bombs at who. The dislike the terrifying shit they see on TV. They hate hanging homosexuals. Beheading. Beatings. The oppression of women. All ascribed to this thing called "Islam". Sure they have been taught the "all Muslims are not terrorists" crap for years. They still don't want Ali to move in next door. Then the Turkish president (good Arab) visits the US and we see his embassy guards attacking a crowd of Americans. Nice move, don't you think?

Spare me this bullshit too. If you cared about the oppression of women, what about Palestinian women? If you want to bitch about cultures, try taking a look at your own, the one causing the most destruction all over the world. The arrogance of people like you is just, laughable.

Nope. Trump did what most Americans secretly or openly wanted him to do. You and I may see the move as stupid but most Americans really don't. And unlike just about anywhere in the Middle East we at least pretend to be a democracy.

Actually Americans protested in cities all over the country because of this, I posted pictures of that.

And if you think Israel is a democracy, lol once more at you for being so clueless.

Here are pics again from American protests:

[LehmanB]

Had the US been anti-Israel, just about every nation in the region would gladly be our ally.

Like Saudia Arabia? Or Egypt? Or Pakistan?

I was waiting for you to write exactly this. Its ok that you hate, but it seems you have no sense of what is going on in the middle east.

[skinster]

The United Nations General Assembly passed 6 new resolutions against Israel, including one denying Israeli sovereignty over Jerusalem 151-6.

[noir]

America

[Oxymoron]

UN is such a joke, Terrorist circle jerk.

[noir]

UN is such a joke, Terrorist circle jerk.

Trump is going to deal with the Muslim power in UN as well.

[colliric]

Putin criticising Trump is a bit rich....

You don't need a long memory to remember that Russia did this in April first. Who cares if they only declared "East Jerusalem" as the Capital of Israel...

They still said "Jerusalem (in part) is the Capital".

[noir]

It's much more complicated

[Ter]

@skinster

The United Nations can pass a thousand anti Israel motions every day because they have locked in a majority of Muslim-majority countries and other banana republics. The UN carries no legal or moral authority any more.

It would be interesting to see who exactly is taking part in those demonstrations... let me guess : at least half of them Muslims, surprise surprise, then the lefties, the anti semites and some gullible idiots and half a dozen of wayward ultra orthodox Jews.

The silent majority was definitely not there.