[Drlee]

You are a typical ignorant American who doesn't have a clue about the so-called conflict. You're probably an extremist evangelical type who supports all this because you believe in dumb shit like Jesus's second coming and Armageddon having to take place in a state called Israel. I don't even know why Jewish zionists support Evangelical Christians on this shit since according to that whole mythology, millions of Jews will be killed, but smart-zionists is an oxymoron, so

You need to grow up honey. You actually know better than this but I got right in your wheelhouse rent free. When you get over the emotional outburst come back and try to make an argument.

[skinster]

The United Nations can pass a thousand anti Israel motions every day because they have locked in a majority of Muslim-majority countries and other banana republics. The UN carries no legal or moral authority any more.

It would be interesting to see who exactly is taking part in those demonstrations... let me guess : at least half of them Muslims, surprise surprise, then the lefties, the anti semites and some gullible idiots and half a dozen of wayward ultra orthodox Jews.

The silent majority was definitely not there.

I don't really give a shit about the UN either but my point was that international bodies are refusing to recognize Trump's decision on Jerusalem.

As for you calling people who demonstrate for Palestinian liberation from Israeli fascism whatever you think of us, well, call us what you like because we don't give a shit what zionists think, we will continue to exist and of course grow bigger because of the OP and further exposure of what Israel is and the boycotts will increase and your ilk will continue to display what illegitimate drones they are with their fear of Palestinian flags in their own territory.

at silent majority though. A source would be good but I won't hold my breath on that.

You need to grow up honey. You actually know better than this but I got right in your wheelhouse rent free. When you get over the emotional outburst come back and try to make an argument.

I believe it's you who's having an emotional outburst because I called you out on your ignorance on this topic and that just makes you sad. No matter, you'll die soon I'm sure.

[Ter]

No matter, you'll die soon I'm sure.

What a nice wish to want our own Drlee to die.
Is this today's pofo's debating style?
Is it acceptable?

we will continue to exist and of course grow bigger because of the OP and further exposure of what Israel is and the boycotts will increase and your ilk will continue to display what illegitimate drones they are with their fear of Palestinian flags in their own territory.

Sure you and your fellow zealots can demonstrate to your heart's content in all the countries that allow it.
But do you really think this will make Israel disappear?
Do you think six million Arabs will get their land and houses back in what is now Israel?
Good luck with that.
And please don't hold your breath.

[skinster]

People who support equal rights for all are only "zealots" to ethnosupremacist/zionist scum, and as I said, we don't care what racists think. But thanks for acknowledging Palestinian land/homes-theft, and how you support it.

Re: antisemitism accusations. This podcast will devastate zionists if they're willing to learn their history. I highly recommend it to anyone who wants to learn about how zionism was pushed/promoted by the West to counter socialism, it's very interesting, history is.

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[Ter]

But thanks for acknowledging Palestinian land/homes-theft, and how you support it.

There is no denying that some Arabs left because they thought the Israelis would be massacred by the seven Arab countries that attacked Israel the day after its declaration of independence, hoping to return after the massacre. I also do not deny that some Arabs were evicted. That was then in 1948, 69 years ago. How many of those Arabs are still alive today ? The millions of Arabs that call themselves refugees are the third and fourth generation, their claim to return is very far fetched and weak.

I hope you will have a lot of fun demonstrating with your Muslim and leftist co-zealots. Israel is doing fine in the meantime and Jerusalem will remain undivided and Israeli, there is nothing you can do about it.

[skinster]

"some Arabs left"

The "seven countries attacked" line is propaganda, why do you lot keep promoting it? It's not true. Israel was not under attack. It was a land grab. Evidence comes from Israeli Generals meetings at the time where they claimed it was an opportunistic move, revealed by one of the General's son who had access to military archives and who released this information in his book. I recommend the book, you might learn something.

[Drlee]

No matter, you'll die soon I'm sure.

[skinster]

Just making an observation. We all die, it's ok. My point was that younger people - including tons of American Jews - oppose Israel for its many crimes and systemic racism. Of course you didn't grow up with social media like most young people nowadays, which is why you remain programmed with MSM bullshit, but that's not the only option nowadays.

[Drlee]

Just making an observation. We all die, it's ok. My point was that younger people - including tons of American Jews - oppose Israel for its many crimes and systemic racism. Of course you didn't grow up with social media like most young people nowadays, which is why you remain programmed with MSM bullshit, but that's not the only option nowadays.

My generation did not grow up with social media but we did invent it. And I am here, aren't I? Please do not labor under the assumption that we were programmed drones nor that your generation invented modern. What you read about I lived through. I was in Israel just after the 7 day war. I served in the military during the Vietnam war. I attended about 22 years of school. Nice as it is to have a youtube video about history there is something to be said for front row seats.

I am listening to you. That does not mean that I agree with you. It may give you comfort to write-off our disagreements by assuming that I was programmed to disagree with you. It is arrogant and incorrect but I am sure it makes you feel better. Try not to feel better. Try to understand. The world is full of people like me. There are two really important rules in warfare. One is that wars are never won by those who underestimate the power of their enemy. The other is that no battle plan survives initial contact with the enemy. If you make a habit of underestimating your enemies one of them will blow through your lines one day.

Just some advice from an old programmed geezer.

[skinster]

Your "front row seats" are shit when they keep feeding you bullshit. If you have an argument, make it, provide sources, but come at me with your ignorant arrogance and I will continue to call it out. You don't get free reign to talk bullshit just because you're old. I won't understand your perspective ever when it's ethnosupremacist, which is what zionism is.

Also, it was called the "6 day war" according to zionist mythology. It was bullshit. It has been proven to be bullshit. You're welcome to learn about it. All the information is there if you're willing to deviate from the Corporate-MSM.

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[Ter]

The "seven countries attacked" line is propaganda, why do you lot keep promoting it?

Because it is the truth. You cannot rewrite history by citing one source from your side of the debate.
(or by posting tweets with anecdotal stories, that does not convince anybody, seriously)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab ... sraeli_War
I am aware that the wikipedia is not an academic journal but with the thousands of Muslim editors I cannot imagine that what they say about the 1948 war is "propaganda" as you call it. Read it.

Also, it was called the "6 day war" according to zionist mythology. It was bullshit. It has been proven to be bullshit.

If you disregard the threats by Nasser and Hafez and the closing of the Straits of Hormuz and the withdrawal of the UN troops in the Sinai on request by Egypt, and the fiery verbal apocalyptic threats, then yes, Israel fired the first shots.

Your side fought again and again and lost every single time, and that will also be the case in future. The sooner your side realises this, the better it will be, also for the Arabs.

[Rich]

Perhaps we can all agree to condemn the filth like Nancy Pelosi who voted to recognise Jeruslem and are now denouncing Donald Trump for doing what they demanded the President did.

[noir]

Never get the Turkish logic. They take the asymmetry between the believers and infidels for granted


Netanyahu: Erdogan ‘bombs Kurdish villages,’ cannot lecture Israel

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has slammed Turkey’s Recep Tayyip Erdogan, saying he will not be lectured by a man who bombs Kurdish villages after the Turkish president called Israel a “terrorist state.”

“I’m not used to receiving lectures about morality from a leader who bombs Kurdish villages in his native Turkey,” Netanyahu said on Sunday in a joint press conference with French President Emmanuel Macron in Paris.

Erdogan “helps terrorists, including in Gaza, kill innocent people,” Netanyahu went on. “That is not the man who will lecture us.”

Netanyahu was reacting to comments made earlier in the day by Erdogan.

“Palestine has been under occupation since 1947,” the Turkish leader said at a meeting of his party, Anadolu Agency reported. “Israel is an occupying state, a terrorist state.”

Erdogan has been fiercely critical of US President Donald Trump’s recent controversial decision to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. He called an emergency session of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation for Wednesday in Istanbul.

A Turkish presidential spokesperson brushed off Netanyahu’s remarks, saying “Instead of attacking our country and our leader, the Israeli authorities should end the occupation of Palestinian territories.”

Turkey has been waging a decades-long war with the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK), which is fighting for greater cultural and national rights for millions of Kurds in Turkey.

http://www.rudaw.net/mobile/english/mid ... /101220171

The Turkish own history

In 1973, five decades after Turkey’s empire fell apart, Turkey invaded a European nation state, Cyprus. Occupying half of the island, its armies slaughtered Greek Cypriots and drove others from their homes. The occupation continues to this day, despite Turkey being a member of NATO and the southern Greek portion of Cyprus being a member of the EU. One might concede that Turkey, as a historical force, has been no worse, if certainly no better, than any other country in the world. Who has not carried out an actual genocide, run an empire for twice as long as the British and invaded a sovereign nation in recent decades? This is not what is striking. What is striking is that so little of this is ever raised and Turkish people are rarely if ever made to feel guilt for Turkey’s historic role in the world.

In part that is because Turkey’s government ensures this is the case. One of the reasons why modern Turkey is a world leader in imprisoning journalists is because under Article 301 of the country’s penal code it is a crime to ‘insult the Turkish nation’. Any mention of the Armenian genocide breaks that law and sees the violator sent to prison. And although a contingent of Greek Cypriots continue to complain about the ongoing occupation of the northern half of their country, this has never precluded the British government among others from continuing to call for Turkey to become a full member of the European Union.17

The Strange Death of Europe by Douglas Murray.

[noir]

@Drlee,

The radicalization is taking place in American soil.

[starman2003]

If you disregard the threats by Nasser and Hafez

Hafez??! He was the Syrian leader in '73 not '67.

and the closing of the Straits of Hormuz

Try getting your facts straight. The Egyptians closed the strait of Tiran...

and the withdrawal of the UN troops in the Sinai on request by Egypt, and the fiery verbal apocalyptic threats, then yes, Israel fired the first shots.

Nasser did precipitate a crisis but he only sought to regain his leadership of the arab world; by challenging Israel he could get all the arabs to rally around him. He had no intention of actually starting a war. Egyptian forces, and those of every other arab state, were deployed defensively.

Your side fought again and again and lost every single time, and that will also be the case in future

Currently Israel is at its zenith in terms of military power vis a vis potential opponents. Still, you can't state categorically that no military solution will ever be possible. One interesting development, since the last fullscale war, in '73, is the appearance of nonarab anti-Israel powers. In the future, Iran needn't be the only one; the recent rhetoric of Erdogan suggests even Turkey may be part of a future anti-Israel coalition.

[Ter]

Hafez??! He was the Syrian leader in '73 not '67.

Try getting your facts straight. The Egyptians closed the strait of Tiran...

Yes, my mistakes, I wrote that post too quickly early in the morning.
Whatever the case may be, one tyrant or another, Syria has been ruled by dictators, and Egypt did close an international water way, which is equivalent to an act of war. So your laughing emoticons are quite ineffective.

It is very convenient to now say that all those Arab troop movements (together with the rhetoric and the rest) were "defensive". Israel was so small they could not wait to see what would happen and struck first. And they cleaned out the Arab armies and took the Sinai, the West Bank, the Golan and Jerusalem.

It does not look as if the Arabs will be peaceful even after getting all of those territories back because even before the 1967 war, the Arab neighbours could not accept even one inch of Israel as a Jewish State.

[danholo]

Nah, it is the small tiny democracy that is the bad guy and the huge dysfunctional dictatorships are the misunderstood parties who are fighting for human rights, anti-racism and equality. They really are bastions of freedom and liberty even today. Oh, if that small apartheid state would just vanish into oblivion, peace would ensue!!!

That was the narrative now during the Cold War and remains so today. Oh, those anti-imperialist forces under the Umbrella of Communism. 1967, what a year!

[skinster]

at Ter for using zionist wikipedia to prove...that he doesn't know what he's talking about too.

The Israeli attacks of 1967 were a land grab, there was no threat from other countries. Israeli Generals admitted to all of this. Ter thinks what was recorded in the meetings of the Israeli Generals about it being an opportunistic war are lying, but he has to, to keep his faith in the mythology of Israel that he's been programmed with.

Nah, it is the small tiny democracy that is the bad guy and the huge dysfunctional dictatorships are the misunderstood parties who are fighting for human rights, anti-racism and equality. They really are bastions of freedom and liberty even today. Oh, if that small apartheid state would just vanish into oblivion, peace would ensue!!!

When zionists with what appears to be seriousness claim Israel is a democracy and go on about racism and equal rights , like hey, that's what I've been calling for the entire time. Are we on the same page now? Do you believe the millions of Palestinians that are denied human rights by Israel, do you accept they're just as deserving?

Thanks for admitting Israel is an apartheid state. I'm guessing you're still coming to terms with zionism by the sound of your posts. Good luck. The truth will set you free.

[Ter]

:lol: at Ter for using zionist wikipedia to prove...that he doesn't know what he's talking about too.

You haven't even read the text you referred to:

The problem, according to Ayelet Shaked of Israel Sheli, is that online, pro-Israeli activists are vastly outnumbered by pro-Palestinian voices.

Those few pro-Israeli editors do not control the Wikipedia in any significant way.
As with most of your posts, you are just rambling on and uttering clichee after clichee and posting some emotional tweets (with zero result, nobody is impressed)

By the way, I am also a recognised editor of Wikipedia but I only edit articles within my own expertise, nothing about the Middle East.

I look forward to your next posts. (It's OK, society needs lesser educated and less intelligent people also)

[danholo]

Thanks for admitting Israel is an apartheid state.

Sarcasm isn't your strongest suit, I see.



Kisses, skinny. We gotta meet when I come to NYC next time. No joke. (Brooklyn?)