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@Cookie Monster
Palestinians is no entity, never been and should not be treated as such. UN resloution 242 after Six Day War (1967) was clearlly about it. BTW, these people never asked independent state when they were under Jordanian Hashemite rule. You treat the whole issue along the lines of decades of Arab propaganda. The solution for the Arabs in "Palestine" will come not with the establishing a new unviable country but when they will be reabsorbed to Jordan. Both Jordan and Palestine were under the title Palestine til 1922. It's known history but Arab propaganda (with decisive help of EU) by the late 60's won its way.

The Arab workplane (seen in PoFo by our resident BDS) is jihadi solution. No presence to the infidels in Der al Islam (call it Palestine or whatever the name is). It may sound logical in its own way if not they themselves are settling in Christendom. This asymetry is what makes the Islamic Arab cause unattainable.
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This topic reminds me a sentence from M.K. Ataturk's Declaration of Amasya issued on the eve of Turkish War of Liberation against invading armies of the victors of WW1.

"Independence of the nation shall be achieved only by the nation's resolution and determination"

Once the resolution and determination are solidly there, as in the case of Palestinian people, everything else is of secondary or tertiary importance, i.e it might expedite or slow down the process, but it will not change the final outcome.

This decision of moving the US embassy to Jerusalem... I am not sure whether it will slow down the Palestinian freedom or not. Time will tell.

Yet, if I were a pro-Israeli person, I would not be happy or even content finding an ally in the persona of the current occupier of the White House, i.e the orange headed idiot whose days are politically numbered.
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Cookie Monster wrote:At least now they are confronted with the realities and may perhaps understand that if they want Palestinian sovereignty and territorial integrity, they will have to fight for it and endure the costs and consequences of such action.


It is likely the Palestinians will soon despair completely of negotiation and turn to violence. Unfortunately all that'll accomplish is give Israeli hardliners the pretext they want to crush the Palestinians and take away everything they have left. That won't, of course, be the end of muslim-israel conflict, but a rejuvenation of it, big time, even if the arabs or muslims can't do much at first.
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Drlee wrote:Both true. The US will never allow Christian Holy sights to be occupied by Islamic powers at all. Lots of reasons. In the USG opinion, and mine, the status quo WRT Jerusalem is the second best solution. (Best considering that Islam will never negotiate this particular piece away.) The territories are quite another thing. The US stands a great deal to gain by a stable two-state solution of some kind.
That is the view of Evangelical Americans who have very little understanding of the ME. Historically, they didn't exert that much power over US foreign policy. I don't think the US had any predisposition to the Muslims controlling Jerusalem (which was in fact the situation until the Brits came). Besides, all the holy sites are actually in East Jerusalem. And also note that there are also Christians among the Palestinians.

noir wrote:Palestinians is no entity, never been and should not be treated as such. UN resloution 242 after Six Day War (1967) was clearlly about it. BTW, these people never asked independent state when they were under Jordanian Hashemite rule.
You are confusing things. With the exception of its historic decolonisation mandate, the UN has no say over sovereignty; and therefor UN resolutions cannot grant sovereignty. This confusion is common because admission to the UN is seen as an good indicator of sovereignty. Nevertheless, the question of which nation/state is sovereign is a discretion of sovereign nations themselves. In other words, it is circular self-imposition. Sovereign nations/states never had an interest to internalise and proceduralise the recognition of sovereignty in and by an international body because, in essence, this could eventually undermine their own sovereignty/territorial integrity.

In other words, Palestine's sovereignty is a discretion to be decided on by the sovereign nations of the world. And a clear majority of the world's sovereign nations do recognise Palestine as a sovereign state. Among those who don't there are many nations (especially in Europe) who would like to recognise Palestine as a sovereign nation but don't do so because it doesn't exercise de facto ultimate control over its territories (as result of the occupation).

You treat the whole issue along the lines of decades of Arab propaganda. The solution for the Arabs in "Palestine" will come not with the establishing a new unviable country but when they will be reabsorbed to Jordan. Both Jordan and Palestine were under the title Palestine til 1922. It's known history but Arab propaganda (with decisive help of EU) by the late 60's won its way.
How can they be absorbed by Jordan if the place where they live is under occupation by Israel. Do you suggest Israel hands over control of the occupied territories to Jordan or do you suggest they somehow "voluntary" move to Jordan?

starman2003 wrote:It is likely the Palestinians will soon despair completely of negotiation and turn to violence. Unfortunately all that'll accomplish is give Israeli hardliners the pretext they want to crush the Palestinians and take away everything they have left. That won't, of course, be the end of muslim-israel conflict, but a rejuvenation of it, big time, even if the arabs or muslims can't do much at first.
Violence is done anyhow. The absence of open armed violence doesn't exclude the presence of institutionalised structural violence.
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At that time, Lord Cordon who versed this 242 UN resolution said no other Arab country demanded an independent Palestine state. After years of propaganda we forget what the conflict was all about. Arabs vs Jews. Islam vs infidels. There is an interesting reason why they changed tactic and invented ex nihlo the "Palestinian" people. As if we are talking here about a people whose lands and rights was stolen and demand independence. This line suceeded hugely on propaganda level. In reality, they give a fuck about Palestinan state, all they want is Dar al Islam free of infidels i.e jihad.
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@noir

So you admit everything I said was true, that you were listing random organizations not related to what you claim they're related to. Simply saying "random, ah" doesn't make you wise or make you seem like you know what you're talking about. It just makes you look pretentious to be frank.

Probably. Just because a news network begins to talk about a topic doesn't mean that it's being controlled by an external entity to talk about such a topic. Seems to me that anytime anyone says something bad about Israel you make up stuff about them calling either the information they provide propaganda or the person/organization itself an "Islamic conspiracy". Seems to me that you're just in denial and you want to pin all of Israel's flaws on someone else whenever possible because you cannot bear the weight of such flaws on yourself.
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Cookie Monster wrote:That is the view of Evangelical Americans who have very little understanding of the ME.


Yes, this is spot on about Drlee.

And also note that there are also Christians among the Palestinians.


Yes, Drlee doesn't care about Christians if they're Palestinian, what a phoney. :D

I just got back from an huge protest in midtown for Palestine today. It was about as big as the Gaza Day of Rage protest in the city during Israel's carpet-bombing of Gaza in 2014. It was stunning. 8)

Protests have been taking place all over today.

Yemen


Germany


Jordan


Turkey


Gaza


NYC


London
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-28715052

etc.


More are planned for the weekend. 8)
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They are two sort of Palestinan Christians. Their leadership is what is known in Islam as dhimmi (subjugated) giving service to their Muslim tormentors, like the American proffesor, Edward Said who single handedly put the Palestine cause in the heart of America, till then the cause was cherished mainly by ANP (American Nazi Party). On the other hand there is a people and they have nothing to do with what the leadership is doing.

The Christian Palestinan elite has huge responsibility in developing the current Palestine cause as hate cult. The Mufti (islamic authority) used mainly Christian (like George Antonius, Emil Ghoury, George Mansur, Nicola Khuri, Izzat Tannus) aids in his dealing with the fascists regiems in the 30's and 40's. After the war, the Palestinian Christians were again the main interlocutors with the developers of European Community, they were the first Arab lobbists and did great service to the Muslims, like facilitation massive immigration from over crowded Arab states to Europe and changing dramatically the media narrative.

Today they are exppelled all over the Middle East. It's a new world. The current Muslims don't care about the past agenda. The Christian card is only important to overseas Muslims immigrants mainly in left leaning grouping like BDS for propaganda tool.

In the early 70's when the Chrustian card was important

Eurabia

Spoiler: show
EU main Arab lobby is PAEAC (the Parliamentary Association for Euro-Arab Cooperation). It relied on Christian Arab advisers, representatives of dhimmitude who enjoyed the trust of Muslim Arab dictators, their masters, and promoted their anti-Zionist policies and expansionist aims in Europe.Christians in Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, and Palestine, including many Christian PLO members, strove for Europe’s rapprochement with the Arab world, hoping in this way to avert any threat to Christianity’s existence in its Eastern lands of origin, by destroying the State of Israel. Eulogists, and yet victims of Muslim “greatness and tolerance,” these Arab Christians switched from Nazism to communism and became the main instrument of the Euro-Arab alliance, thereby contributing to the transformation of Europe into Eurabia.This activism reconnected, reinforced, and modernized the web of collaboration, synergies, and sympathies that existed between the European fascists and Nazis and their Arab Christian and Muslim supporters in the period 1920–1945. As early as the 1970s its members had revived this platform within the new structure, PAEAC, with responsibility for standardizing the policies of the EC and the Arab League across various fields and in foreign policies, particularly against Israel.[21]No one has done more to destroy the fundamental basis of Western understanding of Islam than Edward Said, a Christian of Egyptian origin operating under a false Palestinian identity and an active member of the PLO. Said disseminated a racist theory restricting the right to write about Islamic history and culture to Muslims alone.[22] This Christian dhimmi engagement, enhanced by a scathing antisemitism that was well received in Europe, introduced the cultural and psychological facets of dhimmitude. It played a predominant role in modifying Europe’s demography and religions and in the Islamization of its political leanings.

Some churches and their media networks became the most active agents of the legitimization of Palestinian terrorism. Political pressure and the promotion and funding of anti-Israeli clergy involved in the EAD (Euro Arab Dialogue) swept away internal Christian opposition.

The cult of Palestinianism often exploits the theme of the Crucifixion. Although the Qur’an actually denies the Crucifixion altogether (4:157), Muslims and the Islamized and Eurabian Churches identify the Crucifixion with Palestine or the Arabs of Palestine. In a lecture in Paris on June 2, 1970, Mgr. Georges Khodr, Metropolitan of Byblos and Mt. Lebanon, stressed, “It is not for me to tell the Muslims what force the evangelical ferment would contribute to the Arab cause.” In his conclusion, he declared to have chosen Arabness because, on the June 5, 1967, “I saw that Jesus of Nazareth had become a Palestinian refugee.”4 The Arab Palestinian poet Mahmud Darwish, much praised in Europe, identified in his verse Arab Palestine with Christ crucified by Israel. Such abuse of Christian symbols to incite hatred of Jews has been strongly condemned by many Christians as blasphemy.

According to the Geneva bulletin of the League of Arab States, the WCCP (World Conference of Christians for Palestine) had a considerable impact on the Christian populations of the West. One of the WCCP’s aims was to inform Christians around the world about the plight of the Palestinians. The Arab League’s Bulletin stated that Middle Eastern Christians were “anxious to bring to their brothers in the West and in Eastern Europe, a testimony not only of their solidarity, but also of their identity with the Arab peoples of the region where they form an integral part.” For the League, it was also a major victory for unity between Muslim and Christian Arabs, and for Arab solidarity in general.

The Third World and the international networks of Arab Churches advocated this policy. As early as 1974, at the Lahore Summit of the Organization of the Islamic Conference, Secretary-General al-Tohami commended the efforts undertaken by the Churches in the Arab countries and worldwide on behalf of the Palestinians, and praised their backing for Arab sovereignty over Jerusalem.

Despite all this talk of unity, cracks were already appearing in the fraternal edifice. Many Eastern Christians opposed antisemitism and anti-Zionism on principle, and thus never accepted the basic premises of the WCCP. Moreover, clashes occurred as early as April 1969 between the Lebanese army and the PLO in southern Lebanon and in the Bekaa Valley. Within a few years, the PLO would become instrumental in the destruction of Lebanon. After the PLO had contributed to Lebanon’s devastation in the mid-1970s, Bashir Gemayel—Lebanon’s president-elect when he was assassinated in 1982—denounced the tragic fraud imposed upon his country in the name of Arab solidarity. Amid the blood and ruin, he appealed for help to European politicians and the Western Churches. But his appeal was in vain: many were backing Lebanon’s enemies in their common war against Israel.

Thus, the politico-religious axis of Euro-Arab Judeophobia that had reemerged after World War II now drew Middle Eastern Christianity into its web. This was the beginning of the great pro-Arab, pro-Islamist offensive in the West. Dhimmi Churches and Arab-Christian intellectuals became enthusiastic soldiers and propagandists for Islamic causes.

Arab Christians, meanwhile, would play the role of ambassadors on behalf of Islamic causes to their fellow Christians in Europe. It was in this way that the first seeds of dhimmitude were implanted in Europe,17 as will be described later. It also accelerated the disintegration of the dhimmi Eastern Christian communities of the Middle East, a development that went largely unnoticed due to the European compliance with the Arab/Islamic propaganda war against Israel.

Immigrant groups became vehicles to spread these prejudices throughout Europe, with the active collusion of academics, politicians, and the whole of the EAD’s cultural apparatus.

The Latin patriarch of Jerusalem, Michel Sabbah stigmatized the European Churches for abandoning the Palestinian Christians, who he proclaimed, do not suffer from Muslims—thereby implying that they suffer from Israel.12 However, the facts show otherwise. In July 2003, a Muslim convert to Christianity went into hiding in the territories controlled by the PA; ten days later his body was returned to his family, butchered, and quartered by Palestinian Islamists. He had run afoul of the death sentence prescribed in Islamic law for those who leave Islam. Other Christians were harassed; many took refuge in Israel.13 At present, the only “protection” that European Christians offer Christians living under the Palestinian Authority—1% of the Arab population—and in the Arab/Muslim world is their contribution to the demise of Israel through the Euro-Arab symbiosis policy, and by the weakening of the U.S.A. It is noteworthy that over 125,000 local Christians living in Israel as citizens remain, but the few under Arafat’s Palestinian Authority began emigrating as soon as Israel left the territories, and have continued to do so.

The conception and practice of Palestinianism as a hate cult against Israel has had a profound impact on European society. Even if not everyone adheres to it, many absorb its noxiousness unconsciously, since it is constantly distilled by the EU mainstream media, by the political apparatus of the Euro-Arab Partnership and by the third pillar of the Barcelona process (see chapter 10). It is difficult to assess the resistance to this propaganda, since the EAD press network has silenced most protests against it for years. With the exception of a vigorous rebuttal from the Protestant International Christian Embassy in Jerusalem, there has been practically no consistent opposition, nor any strong denunciation from other organizations of this return to the old indoctrination of hate—and certainly not from NGOs.

Among the tragedies of the second half of the twentieth century, historians will recall Europe’s silence and its cynical indifference toward Christianity’s demise in Arab and most Muslim countries—a tragedy paralleled by that of nearly a million Jewish refugees expelled from Arab countries through indiscriminate terror, confiscations, expulsion, and insecurity—with indifference from all international bodies.22

Christian distress and isolation were vividly illustrated by the Lebanese war and European support for the PLO. Lebanese Christians were the first indirect victims of the EAD agreements of the 1970s that endorsed European political advocacy for the PLO, which was already the most deadly of terrorist organizations and today still competes with Hamas and al-Qaeda. Lebanon was forced by its Arab “friends” to host the PLO. While the PLO and its allies preyed on the Lebanese Christians, wiping out whole villages, desecrating and burning churches, murdering, and mutilating corpses (as at Damur in 1976), Europe was supporting Arafat.

The agony of Lebanon holds many important lessons for Europe, particularly since the EAD has prepared the conditions for the EU’s future Lebanonization. When the civil war erupted in Lebanon in April 1976, there were twelve thousand regular Syrian troops in the country. Soon this increased to twenty-five thousand, with a Syrian workforce of three hundred thousand. The large Palestinian civil population, with its innumerable groups and factions, impeded the functioning of the state.23 The PLO received help and training from Arab and Communist countries, as well as from Nasserite, Ba’athist, and communist organizations in the region. Factional divisions and pusillanimity weakened the Christian camp, which was blinded by profits from Arab oil and financial contracts.

The Lebanese war was butchery, conducted with the outmost violence. With public attention focused on Palestinian martyrdom, the PLO inflicted mass murder, abductions, untold suffering, and destruction on over a hundred thousand Christians in Lebanon. This was one of the bloodiest phases of the Palestinian jihad since it had initiated international terrorism and indiscriminate murder of civilians with the first hijacking of an El Al airplane to Algiers in 1968.
Yet the valiant Christian resistance was demonized by a European press that sided with the PLO—the jihad camp that believes (as is expressed today in widespread graffiti in PA areas) that after the “Saturday people”—the Jews—comes the turn of the “Sunday people”—the Christians. Europe’s indifference to the long and bloody agony of the Christian resistance against the world’s then most powerful terrorist organization, which it was supporting, was the first sign of the subversion of its values and the perversion of its language, a process that would progressively poison it. Today, when Eurabians remember the Lebanese war at all it is only to lament the massacre at Sabra and Chatila, which was committed by Christian Maronites in retaliation for PLO massacres, and inevitably blamed on Ariel Sharon. That of Damur, which preceded it and was personally supervised by Arafat, is conveniently ignored.24 An eyewitness gave an account of the massacre of 582 Christians in Damur by the PLO and its Muslim allies on January 22, 1976: “The attack took place from the mountain behind. It was an apocalypse. They were coming, thousands and thousands, shouting ‘Allahu Akhbar! God is great! Let us attack them for the Arabs, let us offer a holocaust to Mohammad!’ And they were slaughtering everyone in their path, men, women and children.”25

When, in the 1960s, European Christian theologians were engaged in a painful process of self-criticism and moral reassessment through the examination of Christian antisemitism, the Arab Churches were pursuing a Muslim-Christian dialogue intended to reassure the Muslim world and counterbalance the Jewish-Christian rapprochement.

The Arab states exploited their dhimmi Church leaders to impede this timid rapprochement. Eastern Christian communities were blackmailed and threatened. Any criticism of the pejorative characteristics attributed to Jews by the church fathers—especially those of St. Augustine and St. Chrysostom33—was considered blasphemous by Muslims, since they are echoed in the Qur’an.

The contribution of Arab Christian politicians and intellectuals to dhimmi militancy in the Islamic cause, following the banner of Edward Said, has been overwhelming in Europe and America. Middle Eastern Christians in America, as well as Greek, Serbian, and other Slavic historians, have often denounced the type of Christian collaboration that reproduces the permanent pattern of dhimmi behavior customary under Muslim colonization. In spite of their tenacity and courage, Lebanese, Coptic, and Assyrian refugees from Arab countries could hardly compete with the “Arabists,” their brother-enemies, who are generously funded and protected by powerful lobbies—and whom they consider as traitors.51

The search for a Muslim-Christian common ground has led since the middle of the twentieth century to a “de-biblicizing” of the Bible. In line with the Massignon school and one of its most active defenders, the late Abbé Youakim Moubarak, the Bible was reinterpreted from the viewpoint of the Qur’an. Some Arab Palestinian clergy are currently campaigning to induce the Church to forego the First Testament altogether, as well as its spiritual links with Judaism. They recommend retaining only the Gospels, interpreted in line with Qur’anic assertions. They hope to suppress the Judeo-Christian connection in order to attach the Gospels to the Qur’an, in particular through the adoption of the Qur’anic interpretations of the Palestinian Arab (Muslim) Jesus.

The dhimmi Churches’ Arabized interpretation of the Gospels combines traditional anti-Judaism with the psychological conditioning of dhimmitude. Jesus, his mother Mary, and the Apostles are all assimilated with the local Arabs and lose their Jewish historical and cultural identity. This Islamization of the Jewish sources of Christianity, disseminated through European Islamophile church networks, plays into the hands of Muslims eager to co-opt Christianity and instrumentalize Christians as partners in their struggle against Israel. It is aggravating the disintegration of Christian identity, compounding the dhimmi’s cultural amnesia with falsification of the Christian faith’s foundations.
Some theologians recommend the reading of the First Testament with an exclusively Christian understanding—amounting to an expulsion of the Jews from their own Scriptures. In Britain, an evangelical Anglican, the Rev. Dr. Steve Motyer, who promotes this view, calls it “a broadly ‘replacementist’ position” and pleads that Christians must interpret the Old Testament from the perspective of the New.9

The Arab dhimmi Churches—especially the Syro-Palestinian ones—have elaborated an entire theology of the non-Jewish, Arab roots of Christianity: Palestinian Liberation Theology. According to this trend, Christianity was born in an Arab tent and with a Palestinian identity. This new Arab-Palestinian sui generis embodiment of Christianity evidently also denies any historical rights to the modern State of Israel in its Hebrew-Israelite birthplace.

The rooting of Christianity in Arab Palestinianism involves the mechanism of the perversa imitatio: the perverse imitation, i.e., the duplication of Jewish history in an Arab-Palestinian context.10 This device is a rehash of traditional anti-Judaism that has repeatedly been condemned since Vatican II, as well as by several Christian scholars and clergymen, but it has become the root of the Palestinian theology that is flourishing in Western Churches.

Since the emergence of Palestinianism in the 1970s, the Arab dhimmi churches have striven for a united front against Israel by identifying totally with the Arab Palestinian cause. They saw their service to Islam as bringing together the whole Christian world in solidarity with the Palestinians and promoting an anti-Israel campaign in the West.

The Christian service to Islam thus consists primarily in its worldwide support for the Muslim jihad against Israel. It has also included spreading Islamic propaganda through Western religious channels, encouraging and giving practical or moral succor to anti-Israel terrorism by blaming it on Israel, demonizing Israel and America, vindicating Islam, and, above all, concealing the Islamization and religious “purification” of Arab societies—including the discriminatory and humiliating restrictions imposed on native Christians. These tendencies, implicitly enunciated in the January 1969 Cairo International Conference in support of the Arab peoples, were prevalent in the EAD. They fostered the foundation of a European and church “Muslim policy.” The criminalization of Zionism in the West, which the Arab countries made an essential condition for Muslim-Christian rapprochement,14 reinforced the elimination of the Jewish state as a common priority.

Church activism in Europe also operates in the service of Muslim immigration. Church leaders have preached the abolition of frontiers and of “chauvinist” nationalisms in order to merge both shores of the Mediterranean. The EAD policy of mass Muslim immigration into Europe is often backed by a generous clergy who strenuously advocated an open immigration, matched with full political rights. This is motivated not only by the imperative of human rights, but in the hope—often voiced—of obtaining equivalent rights in Muslim countries for indigenous Christian communities. However, this reasoning is based on the principle of reciprocity between equals, a principle denied by the shari’a legislation applied to varying degrees in most Muslim countries, despite the Partnership agreements.

Muslim leaders are aware that churches and clergymen have always been their strongest allies. Thus, citing the evidence of history, the Iranian jurist Abbasali Zanjani suggests that Muslims should favor exchanges with Christian priests, clergymen, and theologians, since they have always encouraged the propagation and the supremacy of Islam.15 Such Christian advocacy in the service of Islam has given the Arab Christian clergy a political voice that is of strategic advantage to Arab governments.
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An article by that guest.
Thank you President Trump, you have finally ended US double-speak on Middle East 'peace'
Far from signalling a doomsday scenario, Trump has removed the emperor's clothes to reveal the farce of the peace process. Now what next for the Palestinians?

US President Donald Trump's recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel consolidates five decades of US foreign policy that has steadily facilitated Israel's settler-colonial encroachment into East Jerusalem and the West Bank generally.

While the Lyndon B Johnson administration was among the global consensus opposing Israel's annexation of East Jerusalem in 1967, successive US administrations have spoken out of both sides of their mouth.

On the one hand, they have insisted that settlement expansion in Occupied Territory is a violation of international humanitarian law and counterproductive for establishing permanent peace. On the other hand, it has provided Israel with unconditional military, financial, and diplomatic aid allowing Israel to complete its settler-colonial expansion without suffering any serious legal or political consequences.

Under the veneer of peacemaking
Between 1967 and 2017, the United States has used its veto power 43 times to block Security Council resolutions aimed at adjusting Israel's behaviour and reigning in its settlement enterprise.

Thanks to the US, Israel has been able to increase its settler population in the West Bank from 200,000 in 1993 to 600,000 today all under the veneer of peacemaking. Far from signalling a doomsday scenario, Trump has removed the emperor's clothes to reveal the farce of the peace process.

In 1967, when Israel captured the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, and the Gaza Strip, the international community has rebuffed territorial acquisition by war - also known as conquest. In order to facilitate a just and lasting peace in the region, the Security Council passed Resolution 242 establishing that Israel will return all lands occupied in the course of the 1967 war in exchange for permanent peace.

Whereas this should have obligated Israel to maintain the status quo in the territories until the resumption of peace, Israel has insisted that Jewish sovereignty extends over the West Bank and East Jerusalem, especially, and that's its capture of the territory is tantamount to the liberation of Jerusalem from the Arabs.

It never had any intention to withdraw.

In fact, it unilaterally annexed East Jerusalem in late June 1967. The General Assembly unanimously passed two resolutions (UNSC Res 2253 and 2254) condemning the annexation and demanded that Israel rescind all actions taken to alter the status of Jerusalem.

The UK voted for both resolutions and the United States abstained indicating opposition to territorial expansion. Both the United States and Britain refused to move their embassies from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem in protest.

To deflect criticism, Israel's ambassador to the United Nations claimed that Israel's actions did not amount to annexation, but were merely administrative. As to the biting warnings and criticism, Israel simply ignored them and has suffered little consequence in the intervening decades.

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US's aggressive intervention
Israel's success in evading meaningful legal and political consequence is attributed to the US's aggressive intervention. Since 1967, the United States has been committed to a dual policy of ensuring Israel's qualitative military edge in the region, enabling it to overcome any individual or collective military threat, as well as ensuring an unencumbered political agreement.

This dual commitment has driven it to shield Israel from meaningful international censure because the imposition of external legal obligations would diminish Israel's negotiating leverage in a land-for-peace framework.

Additionally, the United States' commitment to Israel's military superiority in the region has impeded the application of any meaningful pressure on its ally.

With the diplomatic cover of global superpower, Israel has steadily grabbed Palestinian lands for Jewish-Israeli civilian settlement and concentrated and removed Palestinians into increasingly shrinking areas of land.

Rather than reverse these conditions, the 1993 Oslo Peace Accords formalised them.

The Oslo Accords established a five-year interim arrangement to usher final status talks within five years. The interim arrangements are not based on any international law but instead purport to fulfill the obligations stipulated by UN Security Council Resolution 242 and 338, as well as other relevant law, in the form of political agreement.

Meaning that rather than allow international law regarding Jerusalem and occupation to guide the negotiations, the outcome of the negotiations would be considered as sufficient and tantamount to compliance with the law.

The outcome has been disastrous.

From interim to permanent
The interim arrangements have become a permanent structure and led to the present-day status quo: a wall that effectively confiscates 13 percent of the West Bank, an aggressive ethnic cleansing policy in Jerusalem that explicitly aims to reduce the Palestinian population in order to maintain a significant Jewish demographic majority, Israel's civil and military jurisdiction in Area C, or 62 percent of the West Bank, and the violent bifurcation between the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

If facts on the ground were not compelling, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has made clear that there will never be a Palestinian state. Under the peace process framework, the horizon of Palestinian freedom is a set of discontiguous bantustans where Palestinians can exercise self-autonomy but never achieve meaningful sovereignty.

The official Palestinian leadership should have abandoned this programme in 2001, when at the start of the Al Aqsa Intifada, Israel expanded its use of military force to crush Palestinian protest and inaugurated a new chapter of domination again under a security pretext.

Instead, Palestinian officialdom has clung onto the undue faith that the United States would deliver independence so long as Palestinians remained compliant. In exchange for its compliance, the United States has endorsed Israel's conquest of Jerusalem and consolidated its settler-colonial expansion programme.

Trump has finally ended the United States' double-speak and should have ended any faith that the US will deliver Palestinian independence or that Israel is interested in giving up its territorial holdings captured in war.

Attributing responsibility for the next chapter in the Middle East, characterised by the formal abandonment of a Palestinian state and apology for Israeli apartheid, to Trump would be a revisionist attempt to blame one abnormal and unhinged administration for a policy that has been upheld by "normal" Republican and Democratic administrations for over five decades.

Short and long-term consequences
The question is what will be the short and long-term consequence of Trump's disavowal of US diplomatic double-speak? It may mean that Congress can make good on its repeated threats to shut down the PLO office in the United States, and to cease aid to the Palestinian Authority.

On the ground in Palestine, it will likely lead to an increase in settlement activity as this is par for the course. Israel announced more settlements in the wake of the admonishing Security Council Resolution 2334; it will surely continue with settlement expansion now with less irony.

Whether the Knesset would make good on its vows to annex Area C, 62 percent of the West Bank, to formalise its de jure apartheid regime, however, is not clear as even a supportive US administration cannot shield Israel from negative recriminations from other states, including members of the European Union.

The most likely scenario is a creeping annexation policy as opposed to a wholesale seizure of the territory.

Whether Arab states will be mobilised into action depends on a series of unknown factors regarding their own national interest. The ideal response is to suspend ties with Israel and the United States, but for several states, including Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Jordan, the primary concern is maintaining US patronage.

Despite protest from other US allies in the region, it is not impossible that Israel will promise religious rights in Jerusalem in order to appease them.

If so, Palestinian national rights will be formally abandoned and they will come under the full discretionary whim of Israel as non-citizens of the state and non-sovereigns.

Many predict an uptick in attacks by Palestinians - and perhaps that is true - but if so, it will most likely be a series of uncoordinated attacks launched by individuals who have nothing to lose.

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Delegitimising Israel's apartheid regime
But a mass civil uprising across the Palestinian population is unlikely for two reasons.

One, since Israel dramatically increased its use of force against Palestinians in 2000, Israel has used lethal force as a measure of first resort. While this will also provoke a more militarised response from Palestinians, that response excludes the majority of Palestinian communities, men and women alike, who do not bear arms.

The best course for Palestinians is a mass movement aimed at delegitimising Israel's apartheid regime. The Boycott, Divestment, and Sanctions movement is one critical element of this strategic course.

Two, sustaining a mass uprising is unlikely without a revolutionary change in the Palestinian leadership. Since 1993, the formal leadership has been part of a containment strategy and has worked to ease the burden of occupation and to make it more tolerable rather than to resist it.

Under PA President Mahmoud Abbas, in particular, the Palestinian leadership has abandoned confrontation with Israel as a matter of policy.

Well before Trump's announcement, Israel and the Palestinians have been in a critical and volatile holding position. All the while, and in the seemingly "calmest" times, Palestinians have endured brutal structural violence.

Palestinians should have long changed the rules of the game regulating the question of Palestinian freedom and, while it is unfortunate that Trump beat them to it, the point is that they must finally be moved into more forthright action.

The Palestinian leadership must pivot away from the United States and continue to internationalise the conflict, to delegitimise Israel’s settler-colonial project, to demand states impose economic and military sanctions upon Israel, and support a robust and global grassroots BDS movement.

Nothing will stave off deterioration of conditions on the ground marked by violent confrontations, so the question must not be how to avoid violence, but how do we reach a viable and just solution.
http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns/pa ... -582609215
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@noir

>Calls a Mufti an "islamic authority"

I bet your the same person that thinks there's no difference between a imam, mufti, and sheikh and that they're all the same thing.

Also there isn't a mufti. There are over millions of muftis, anyone who's a Muslim can be a mufti if they wanted to. It's more or less a profession rather than a title. It's like me talking about "The Priest (singular christian authority)" as if there's only one priest.

Also dhimmi doesn't mean subjugation at all, it literally translates to "protected person". It says it on it's goddamn wikipedia page for God's sake! And dhimmi is nothing like you describe it. Dhimmi is a status or category of person, not a leadership or a form of administration. Honestly who are you trying to fool? Do you seriously think the people on this forum are stupid enough to not do a quick google search? Are you trying to get validation points among the conservatives here on this forum since that isn't going to work. Most of the smart conservatives on this forum don't respect incoherent English and lies. For most people on this forum, there is a great sense of accomplishment to be gained from debating your opponent through the usage of rationalism and well citated sources than lies.

As for the rest of your post, it seems you haven't supported anything you've said. You know what I think, I think you just take a couple of snippets from books and articles and then simply make up stories based on those snippets pretending as if you know all about it.
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Igor Antunov wrote:OH snap



To be honest with you I honestly thought Bush Jr actually wanted to do it at the time he promised it(he strongly supported Israel throughout his Presidency), but caved to McCain and the neolibs in his own party in "delaying it". Bush is both overrated and underrated at the same time.

Thankfully the Tea Party out played them and has taken control of the Republican Party with Trump. They didn't stop it from happening this time. Cunts are gone now. Not coming back.
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@Oxymandias
Not just the "Palestinans", all over the Muslim world, mainly emong overseas migrants, they give a fuck about a nation state which mostly created by colonial powers. Do you think the Pakistiani British love or care their hellish shitty homeland? Have you noticed that our resident BDS spammer never write anything about its birth country, Pakistan? It's not an issue. Palestine is jihad that unites the ummah. In the west it's used as propaganda device. And it works.

Islamist propaganda material among Muslims in America as was seen in New York

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