[noir]

Read Oriana Fallaci "Force of Reason". After discovering the treaties between EU and Arab League she called it treason.

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[Political Interest]

Supporting Israel in whatever it does is not in the West's interest. Trump has done this because he is being influenced by Zionists around him and by sentimental Zionism that is so common among Americans and other English speakers. Israel is not a Western country. The Jewish state was founded at the expense of the indigenous Christian population which comprised a significant portion of the Palestinian people. This sends a message to the Islamic world that the West does not care about them and holds their feelings in contempt. It's going to further inflame tensions and make the situation worse. Trump is a complete and utter idiot for doing this.

[starman2003]

Read Oriana Fallaci "Force of Reason". After discovering the treaties between EU and Arab League she called it treason.

What do you expect, in view of the Islamic attitude toward women? Europe is not doomed by immigration; the greatest power in the world is a polyglot nation. Generally the European attitude toward the Mideast, compared to the American, has been admirably pragmatic.

[Drlee]

Patrickov wrote:
I will never believe Trump is doing this alone though

He is not. Putin is behind it. It should soon become clear to everyone that Trump is taking every action possible to destroy the US. Very seriously. If you were Putin you would want:

The US to pick a fight on the Korean Peninsula. This weakens the US and threatens the now strong US/China relationship that Putin misses from his USSR days.

The US to set the Middle East on fire. This destroys our strong regional alliances (such as they are) and gives Russia an opening in the region from its position in Syria. Clearly Russia supports an Islamic state and the US uses them.

Have the US president destroy the US's diplomatic chops with the rest of the world.

Have the US President destroy faith in the US political system by so polarizing it that it cannot function in the best long term interest of the American people.

Have the US president move the US toward a peasant class that will become amenable to a left wing take over.

Have the president Strengthen the power of the oligarchs which will facilitate what will appear to be a left wing takeover but will actually simply consolidate power in the executive.

And he is getting his every wish with the absolute approval of the republican party. I mean really. Tuesday we will see the election to the senate of an anti-constitutionalist, autocratic, theocratic former deposed judge who believes political speech includes brandishing a firearm at a political rally.

Putin is winning in the US in a very serious way. These are the footprints you are seeing.

[Political Interest]

What do you expect, in view of the Islamic attitude toward women? Europe is not doomed by immigration; the greatest power in the world is a polyglot nation. Generally the European attitude toward the Mideast, compared to the American, has been admirably pragmatic.

Mass immigration is going to create major problems within 40 years. But at the same time it is completely separate from foreign policy. The Chinese have a very strict immigration policy but they do not pursue these insane foreign policies in the Middle East.

I am not sure why the argument is being constructed as either pro-Arab/pro-immigration and pro-Zionist/anti-immigration. It is not so binary as it is being portrayed.

[noir]

Mass immigration is going to create major problems within 40 years. But at the same time it is completely separate from foreign policy.

No, it's not. It was part of EU agreement with the Arab league. The PAEAC introduced this novelty to Europe after the Oil embargo. Later the EU Mediterranean Partnership has increased the influx of Muslim immigrants into Europe from Arab and Muslim countries, and ensured their status as the preferred source of immigration to Europe.

[LehmanB]

Supporting Israel in whatever it does is not in the West's interest. Trump has done this because he is being influenced by Zionists around him and by sentimental Zionism that is so common among Americans and other English speakers. Israel is not a Western country. The Jewish state was founded at the expense of the indigenous Christian population which comprised a significant portion of the Palestinian people. This sends a message to the Islamic world that the West does not care about them and holds their feelings in contempt. It's going to further inflame tensions and make the situation worse. Trump is a complete and utter idiot for doing this.

He is very far from letting Israel to do what it want. He just recognizes it. Remember Trump twits and attacks Muslims through many angles, and this is one of them. This is a strategy.

[noir]

@ness31, 50 years to the Six Day War, Polish magazine (Newsweek Polska Historia) published this cover with the funny title. Can you translate it accurately? It say something about Polish Jews vs Russian Arabs, or something like that. At that time the Arabs were Soviets allies and many Poles were happy that a Soviet client failed. Of course, the puppet goverment didn't like it and expelled all the remaining Jews of Poland.



This week homage

[LehmanB]

Its all about perspective. Some think that pleasing Muslims = USA interest, and everything against is it being a traitor. like you @starman2003 . Trump thinks the oposite. That when Obama served Saudi agenda he didn't promote USA internationally..

[noir]

The book The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy by John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt made on him profound impression.

[starman2003]

Its all about perspective. Some think that pleasing Muslims = USA interest, and everything against is it being a traitor. like you @starman2003 .

I didn't say "pleasing muslims" was in the best US interest, just that backing Israel is not (I'm not a muslim, am not religious and don't like things like the burkha). People here who consider Israel overwhelmingly important should go and live there, because influencing our country in the interest of a foreign country, regardless of our interests, is treason.

Trump thinks the oposite.

Well, what do you expect from a demagogue and a lunatic?
Btw I opposed US backing of Israel for many years before Walt and Mearsheimer's book appeared.

Good posts Political Interest.

[noir]

Well, what do you expect from a demagogue and a lunatic?

Great man, if a bit eccentric at times.

[Rich]

Appeasement is not always wrong.

Appeasement, compromise even on fundamental values is not always wrong, its part and parcel of living in the real world. However we've tried appeasement with Muslims for 1400 years, I think its time to abandon this failed policy. Note appeasement of Muslim bigotry went on right through European colonisation.

Some problems solve themselves if you ignore them.

But not Islam. Islam has failed to reform. The Muslim problem won't go away by ignoring it. The world's Muslim population is expanding at a horrifying rate. Yes we need to reverse the flood of Muslims into Europe, but to imagine that is enough is wishful idiocy. We must intervene in the Muslim (fully) occupied world to set up Infidel safe havens.

[LehmanB]

I didn't say "pleasing muslims" was in the best US interest, just that backing Israel is not (I'm not a muslim, am not religious and don't like things like the burkha). People here who consider Israel overwhelmingly important should go and live there, because influencing our country in the interest of a foreign country, regardless of our interests, is treason.



Well, what do you expect from a demagogue and a lunatic?
Btw I opposed US backing of Israel for many years before Walt and Mearsheimer's book appeared.

Good posts Political Interest.

They are Americans the same as you are.
America has lots of complecated international interests and in the middle east its between strengthning your allys or appeasing your opponents, or leaving it to the Russians and Chinese.

[skinster]

[ness31]

@noir

“How Polish Jews won the war with Russian Arabs”...

I like how the eye patch showed up again in the new cartoon.

[noir]

@noir

“How Polish Jews won the war with Russian Arabs”...

I like how the eye patch showed up again in the new cartoon.

Fantastic title. We know so little about Poland intellectual life.

[Rich]

Israel needs to urgently change its policies towards the Muslims of Jerusalem.

Muslims in Jerusalem must have exactly the same rights as Jews and other Infidels receive in Mecca. Notice how Muslims are always whining about how they are mistreated, but Muslims never complain about how Muslims treat non Muslims. There's no Muslim demonstrations against Saudi Arabia or Pakistan. Do you ever hear Muslims campaigning for the right of return of Armenians.

[skinster]

Israel needs to urgently change its policies towards the Jews of Jerusalem.

Jews in Jerusalem must have exactly the same rights as Jews and other Infidels receive in Poland. Notice how Jews are always whining about how they are mistreated, but Jews never complain about how Jews treat non Jews. There's no Jewish demonstrations against Poland or the Ukraine. Do you ever hear Jews campaigning for the right of return of Armenians?

[skinster]

It's not just Muslims who like to burn the flag of that ethnosupremacist settler state.