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You'd better have one king than five hundred - King Charles II of England


It can be a terrible thing to be governed by a monarch, most are decent but every now and again you get a Caligula, mad and dangerously capricious. What goes for a monarchy goes for a republic times a thousand. A single Caligula is hard to suffer while he lasts, a thousand Caligulas is like living under the Khmer Rouge or the USSR.

Lucky for us Liz II is a very decent and kindly monarch and no oppressor. It seems likely all her heirs from Charles to William are decent too. All those subject to Her and Her heirs across the world are thus virtually guaranteed at least another century of relatively good governance free from oppression.
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#14874887
So Harry'so marrying in May.

He's very friendly with Barak Obama, and I expect the Obamas will be invited.

I wonder about the Trumps. Will be they be asked or ignored or invited to save face but told to be too busy to attend.
#14874889
The immortal goon wrote:And not surprisingly, she oversaw one of the greatest preventable catastrophes in Indian history.
Sorry, but no.
@The Immortal Goon Queen Elizabeth II did not come into power until AFTER that Indian incident. She wasn't Queen until 1952. What you posted was over by 1947.

Long live the Queen!!
#14874899
Stormsmith wrote:I wonder about the Trumps. Will be they be asked or ignored or invited to save face but told to be too busy to attend.


The US Ambassador to the UK will probably attend in Trump's place. Which is of cause standard absentee protocol anyway and what happened for Prince William marrying Kate.

The President and his family will be invited as usual (Remember Teresa May is advising the Queen in weekly meetings at the moment, she will probably advise an invitation be sent to the President), but I think he's probably currently too busy to attend anyway and Ivanka or Donald Jr will go in his place with the US Ambassador. Or the Ambassador will just go on his own....

Trump gets along better with Obama than you think he does. He could even say "Obama is attending for the USA" and send him on his own given past presidents are often used in that manner too.
#14874904
Godstud wrote:Sorry, but no.
@The Immortal Goon Queen Elizabeth II did not come into power until AFTER that Indian incident. She wasn't Queen until 1952. What you posted was over by 1947.

Long live the Queen!!


Damn.

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#14874905
Trump gets along better with Obama than you think he does. He could even say "Obama is attending for the USA" and send him on his own given past presidents are often used in that manner too.
:lol: That's because people in the UK fucking hate Trump. It's not because he's friends with Obama. :knife:
#14874908
Godstud wrote::lol: That's because people in the UK fucking hate Trump. It's not because he's friends with Obama. :knife:


No. Sending past Presidents to formal international events is a thing now... both Bush and Clinton attended events in Obama's place.

And Obama didn't go to William & Kate, he did the normal absentee thing and "sent the Ambassador".

Trump could choose to send Obama in the place of both him and the Ambassador, send Ivanka to represent his family alongside the Ambassador, or do what's normal(and what Obama himself did) and send the Ambassador to, you know, do his normal job.

Edit:

Oh wait...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... dding.html

Inviting Trump would be playing favourites.....

:excited: :knife: :lol:
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#14874909
He IS hated, though. I was not wrong about that. Sorry, but people in other countries know that Trump's a big cocksucker, even if you don't.

'You're Not Welcome': UK Leaders Call for Trump Ban After 'Hate-Fueled' Retweets
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/ ... d-retweets
#14874921
The Immortal Goon wrote:Damn.

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You could bring up the subject of the removal of the native population from Diego Garcia.



Godstud wrote:He IS hated, though. I was not wrong about that. Sorry, but people in other countries know that Trump's a big cocksucker, even if you don't.

'You're Not Welcome': UK Leaders Call for Trump Ban After 'Hate-Fueled' Retweets
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/ ... d-retweets


I don’t know that it matters.

We had John Howard as Prime Minister and he was hated by the same sort who hate Trump. Yet, Jonnie turned out to be an OK PM. He built needed infrastructure and was finically reasonsible. He did a lot for the affluent which partial underlies the current housing bubble and bank issues. But he did do stuff that even his detractors have to admit was good. As a leader, you can get away with being an arsehole if you leave the country in better shape than you found it.

Will Trump build needed infrastructure and make the fed gov finically responsible? And a big issue in America is socio-economic inequality. Will he deal with that? Well, it is how he manages those issues that will decide how posterity sees him.
#14874922
Henry VII ended the Wars of the Roses; Henry VIII secured the independence of the English Church from Rome, founded the Royal Navy and essentially founded the institutions of the modern state. Yes, he was a capricious tyrant, but it's absurd to deny his significance.


Condemning everyone in his nation to hell is not achievement, and I think you will find Alfred the Great founded the nation's navy when he was busy curb stomping the Vikings.
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Godstud wrote:He IS hated, though. I was not wrong about that. Sorry, but people in other countries know that Trump's a big cocksucker, even if you don't.

'You're Not Welcome': UK Leaders Call for Trump Ban After 'Hate-Fueled' Retweets
https://www.commondreams.org/news/2017/ ... d-retweets


Lol... Sadiq Khan is a joke of a Lord Mayor...

Also the rest are mostly Labour Party or extremist left buffoons. They will promptly be ignored now.

And lol, the government of the UK has expressed concern over Barack Obama potentially being invited, and Donald Trump not being invited and the diplomatic issues. It appears May's government will rebel against any decision to invite the former president over and above the current one.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12 ... se-invite/

His Grandmother might have to pull Harry in tow. The PM will probably put her foot down on this and advise the Queen what is in the best interests of the nation diplomatically.
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We had John Howard as Prime Minister and he was hated by the same sort who hate Trump. Yet, Jonnie turned out to be an OK PM. He built needed infrastructure and was finically reasonsible. He did a lot for the affluent which partial underlies the current housing bubble and bank issues. But he did do stuff that even his detractors have to admit was good. As a leader, you can get away with being an arsehole if you leave the country in better shape than you found it.

Will Trump build needed infrastructure and make the fed gov finically responsible? And a big issue in America is socio-economic inequality. Will he deal with that? Well, it is how he manages those issues that will decide how posterity sees him.


No politian ever made 100% of the population 100% happy.

If Trump followed this model, he'd be a challenge. Building the needed infrastructure improves the country and provides well paying jobs

But his incessant whining about that ridiculous wall, which he'll never build, will divide the country further. If he built practical infrasrucure, he'd be ok. But he will have to act quickly, because he may soon lose the senate. On the one had, the Democrats have wanted to improve the infrastructure since 2008, but the Republicans blocked it. If the Democratic are asked to support this spending now, it's going to be difficult because there's no money and too much debt. Also, with unemployment being at a record low, job creation won't be much of an argument.
#14875068
Godstud wrote:Long live the King, too! :p

Yes, and long live foot-binding, female circumcision and witch-burning!

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