[Suntzu]

Yeah, the Jews are evil! I think Hitler thought the same thing.

[skinster]

Yeah, the Jews are evil! I think Hitler thought the same thing.

Nobody said that. Please stay on topic, like so:

Bassem Tamimi on court decision to hold family members indefinitely: ‘we can’t expect anything else from the court, this is life under occupation’
An Israeli military court ruled today to keep 16-year-old Ahed Tamimi and her mother Nariman in prison until the end of their trial. Ahed, a well-known Palestinian activist was detained a month ago after a video was published online of Ahed slapping and hitting two Israeli soldiers, yelling at them to leave her family’s property.

The Tamimi family from Nabi Saleh are well known activists who have led non-violent protests against the illegal Israeli military occupation for nearly a decade. Ahed’s father Bassem was previously arrested nine times and spent four years in prison where he was tortured. He spent 14 months in jail simply waiting for a trial, which was repeatedly postponed. Bassem told Mondoweiss that he won’t be surprised if the same happens to Ahed and Nariman with the goal of detaining them for as long as possible.

“I expect the worst from the occupation,” Bassem told Mondoweiss.

“Honestly, we can’t expect anything else from the court; the court is a component of this occupation. It’s used by the legal system to punish the Palestinians.”

“They target all Palestinians… they want to show the world that, ‘We just punish those who resist.’ That’s not true. They punish all Palestinians because they’re Palestinians and they exist. This is a genocide since 1948,” Bassem said.

Nariman was previously arrested five times before this most recent arrest. Over the years Tamimi family members have been killed by Israeli forces and many have been arrested including Bassem and Nariman’s son who was arrested twice.

“This is life under occupation. I think we represent and show the real suffering of Palestinians under occupation,” Bassem said. “This is the real image.”

Ahed could be remanded for up to a year with possible extensions and Nariman could face up to a year and a half.

Before the decision was announced in the court room, former head of military prosecution Maurice Hirsch reportedly handed out printed NGO Monitor leaflets praising the decision to the press.

In Israeli military courts, there is a 99.7 per cent conviction rate of Palestinians brought before them. Judges and prosecutors are always military personnel and defendants are always Palestinian.

According to Israeli human rights organization B’Tselem, a remand should be the exception to the rule, since during the time of legal proceedings, the detainee is not serving a prison sentence and is supposed to be presumed innocent until proven guilty.

However, with military courts in the West Bank, remand is almost always approved. The practice serves as an incentive for defendants to plead guilty and to sign plea bargains even if they’re innocent. If they go to trial while in custody, they may spend more time in prison than they would be sentenced to in a plea bargain.

“Consequently, the judges’ decision to approve remand is tantamount to a conviction – as the case is decided once the person is remanded, rather than based on the evidence,” B’Tselem stated in a press release. “Pretrial approval of remand in custody of people who have not yet been convicted, as standard practice, effectively empties the judicial process of meaning.

“This so-called justice system is one of the most offensive mechanisms employed under Israel’s occupation regime. Its goal is not to serve truth and justice, but to preserve Israel’s control over the Palestinian people. This is true of the Tamimi family – and of thousands of others.”

Ahed’s next hearing is scheduled for January 31 while Nariman and Nour will have their hearing in February.
http://mondoweiss.net/2018/01/indefinit ... ccupation/

[Suntzu]

A hearing? That is outrageous! Muslim countries don need no stinkin' hearing!

[skinster]

Palestine takes Israel to ICC over detained children
The Palestinian Authority has submitted a complaint with the International Criminal Court (ICC) over Israeli violations against Palestinian children.

The move came as Israeli authorities extended the detention of 16-year-old girl Ahed al-Tamimi for the fifth time on charges of attacking Israeli soldiers.

In a statement on Saturday, Foreign Minister Riad al-Malki called on ICC Prosecutor Fatou Bensouda to “exercise her legal authority without delay to prevent the continuation of crimes being committed against the Palestinian people.”

He cited the case of al-Tamimi, who was first detained by Israeli forces on Dec. 19 as “another proof on Israeli policies and crimes” against the Palestinians.

“This complaint against Israeli criminals is a proof on the necessity to accelerate the opening of a criminal investigation to guarantee fair justice to Palestinian children and victims,” he said.

Last week, the Palestinian Central Council announced the referral of the issues of Israeli settlement building and Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails to the ICC.

According to Palestinian figures, over 6,400 Palestinians are being held in Israeli prisons, including 300 children.
http://aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/palesti ... en/1036451

[Suntzu]

What authority does the International Criminal Court have. Don't the Palestinians complain about our treatment of terrorist, too? This little darlin' will be middle aged when she get out of prison.

[skinster]

Unsure why you hate little girls living under occupation so much, but okay.

[Suntzu]

Unsure why you hate little girls living under occupation so much, but okay.

I don' hate her. She is a criminal and should pay for her crime. Why do you hate Jews?

[skinster]

How is she a criminal when the law recognizes her right to defend herself from her illegal occupation?

[Suntzu]

Makes one wonder who her father is.

[noir]

Her origion is probably Bosnian Muslim (from her mother side) and Circassian from Jordan (from her Father side). The Arab Palestinian pro Nazi leader, Haj Amin el Husseini was also blue eyed red hair Circassian and his SS unit recruitment were from Bosnia. Maybe this is one of their of spring.


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-Thunderhawk

[Suntzu]

Take a look at her brothers.

[noir]

Take a look at her brothers.

There is no deception like Pallywood. People believe in what they want to believe. Yes, this Bosnian Circassian settler is "indigenous" Palestinian fighting against the occupation of "her land".

[skinster]

All the posts after my last one are much hasbara.

Back on topic:

[Godstud]

Yes, let's all pretend Israel is a nation of virtue, and not the apartheid state that it actually is.

She's as indigenous to her land as all the Israelis in Israel are.

[skinster]

Petition to free Ahed has reached over a million signatures:
https://secure.avaaz.org/campaign/en/fr ... lobal_loc/

French intellectuals’ statement on Palestinian child prisoners published in “Le Monde”
French academics and writers published a collective letter in Le Monde on 23 January, focusing on the case of Ahed Tamimi and the plight of the approximately 360 Palestinian child prisoners in Israeli prisons. The letter also highlights the case of Salah Hamouri, the French-Palestinian lawyer jailed without charge or trial under administrative detention. Public officials and municipalities across the country have adopted declarations demanding Hamouri’s release and even the French government has acceded to the popular call to demand his freedom.

The statement follows below:

We call for the support and intervention of the President to stop the detention of Palestinian children in Israeli prisons. We especially wish to draw attention to the case of Ahed Tamimi, pursued by the Israeli government. Last 15 December, Mohammed Tamimi, 15, was hit in the head by a rubber-coated metal bullet fired at close range by soldiers of the Israeli occupation army. The boy was in critical condition and his cousin Ahed Tamimi, age 16, was visibly upset by the announcement of his condition and the severity of his injuries.

This same unit of soldiers approached the family home an hour later, and Ahed screamed at them and slapped a soldier. This time, the encounter was filmed by her mother and posted on social media, and it shows the courage of an unarmed teenager confronting two heavily armed soldiers.

On 19 December 2017, Ahed Tamimi was abducted from her home in the night by the army and brry a sentence of 12 years in prison. Israeli military courts deal exclusively with Palestinian prisoners, with a conviction rate of 99.74 percent. Thus, the future of Ahed Tamimi appears dark without intervention.

Some as young as 12
We call on the President to provide urgent support for the immediate release of Ahed Tamimi and the dismissal of all charges against her. However, Ahed Tamimi’s case is not isolated. According to Defense for Children International – Palestine, Israel brings 500 to 700 Palestinian children before military courts each year, some as young as 12. It imprisons an average of 200 children in any given period.

According to the reports of international agencies, including UNICEF, Human Rights Watch, B’Tselem, Amnesty International and Defense for Children International – Palestine, three out of every four children arrested experience violence during arrest or interrogation. They are frequently arrested in night raids on their home; 85 percent of arrested Palestinian children were blindfolded and 95 percent were handcuffed.
rought before a military court. The twelve counts of indictment brought against her could c
They are deprived of access to lawyers, denied the presence of their parents during interrogation and forced to sign confessions. They are also subject to “administrative detention,” imprisonment without charge or trial. They are often detained in detention centers located outside the territories occupied by Israel, making visits from their families difficult. The use of isolation cells for the interrogation of children is a practice that has been likened to torture under international law.

The UNICEF report of 2013, “Children in Israeli military detention,” concludes: “The abuse of children in contact with the military detention system appears to be widespread, systemic and institutionalized throughout the process, from the time of arrest through the prosecution of the child, their potential conviction and the application of a penalty.”

We urge President Emmanuel Macron to take action urgently to contact the Israeli authorities to finally end their detention practices that violate children’s rights, human rights and international law. We also remind him that, to date, our compatriot Salah Hamouri also remains in Israeli jails, a victim of the same unfair framework of “administrative detention.” France must ask so that Ahed Tamimi and other Palestinian child prisoners come home as soon as possible. We cannot look away while children and one of our compatriots are illegally detained far from their families.

Signatories: Etienne Balibar, emeritus professor of philosophy, université de Paris- Ouest ; Pierre Barbancey, journalist ; Michel Benassayag, psychoanalyst and philosopher ; Rony Brauman, physician and essayist ; Alain Brossat, professor of philosophy ; Marie Buisson, FERC CGT ; Cybèle David, organizer of the SUD Education Federation ; Alain Gresh, editor of the online journal OrientXXI.info ; Bernadette Groison, general secretary of the FSU ; Nacira Guénif, sociologist, université Paris-8 ; Kaddour Hadadi, artist (HK) ; Geneviève Jacques, president of Cimade ; Nicole Lapierre, social anthropologist ; Jean Etienne de Linarès, CEO of ACAT ; Gilles Manceron, historian ; Malik Salembour, president of the LDH ; Sylvie Tissot, sociologist ; Dominique Vidal, collaborator of Le Monde diplomatique.
http://samidoun.net/2018/01/french-inte ... -le-monde/

Israeli Defense Minister urges ban against poet for calling Ahed Tamimi a hero
Poet and author Yehonatan Geffen is an iconic popular figure in Israeli culture since the 1970’s. I grew up as a toddler on his children’s books, and he has a lot to say to adults today. He is tongue-in-cheek and doesn’t mince his words. The kind of guy who calls out Netanyahu for being a racist.

On Monday, he posted a poem on his Instagram which infuriated Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman so much that Lieberman called for the army radio to ban him and his work completely, also urging all media outlets to do the same.

Let’s have a look at Geffen’s poem. I’ve seen some slightly imprecise translations in Israeli media, including Haaretz, so I’m providing mine, containing just about every word he wrote:

A beautiful 17-year-old girl did a terrible thing

And when a proud Israeli officer

Once again invaded her home

She slapped him

She was born into it and in that slap

Were contained 50 years of occupation and humiliations.

And on the day the story of the struggle is told,

You, Ahed Tamimi,

With red hair,

Like David who slapped Goliath,

Will be mentioned in the same line

As Joan of Arc, Hannah Szenes and Anne Frank.

It is the last line that had apparently infuriated Lieberman most. Apparently not so much the mentioning of Joan of Arc, but more the mentioning of Hannah Szenes (a Palestinian Jew who volunteered to parachute in WW2 Europe in order to save Jews), and Anne Frank:

“The State of Israel should not give a platform to a drunk who compared a girl who was murdered in the Holocaust and a heroine who battled the Nazi regime, to Ahed Tamimi, the bimbo who attacked a soldier”, Lieberman said.

Culture Minister Culture and Sports Minister Miri Regev also attacked Geffen, and said, with a somewhat bizarre twist:

“Yehonatan Geffen’s outrageous reference to Ahed Tamimi as comparable to Hannah Szenes, Anne Frank and King David is surely part of Geffen’s delusions.”

Where did King David come from? Part of Regev’s delusions perhaps?

Regev exploited the opportunity in order to call Ahed Tamimi a “terrorist” (as I’ve noted earlier, Israel is seeking to make Ahed a terrorist), saying:

“The ghastly comparison between the heroes of our people’s Holocaust and terrorist Tamimi, on the same week the world marks International Holocaust Remembrance Day, is crossing a red line by someone seeking to rewrite history”.

So now Ahed Tamimi is a ‘terrorist-bimbo’, and Geffen is a ‘drunk’ holocaust-revisionist, according to Lieberman and Regev.

But there has to be a limit to cultural censorship in the ‘only democracy’, and even though Lieberman is Defense Minister, there are rules guaranteeing autonomy to the army radio. Thus state attorney Avichai Mandelblit issued an official opinion, by which “the legal authority to determine the content of the station’s broadcasts is only in the hands of its professional officials.” Nonetheless, sidestepping his legal function, Mandelblit joined the chorus of incitement against Geffen (and Tamimi): “The aforementioned opinion should not be taken to legitimize in any manner the content of the outrageous statements made,” he added.

Now, we have to ask Mandelblit: who asked you to hand out opinions about art? Are you now the arbiter of what should or should not be considered ‘outrageous’ poetry? What is the purpose of this irrelevant addition?

The purpose of that addition is incitement. It is the same as when Netanyahu’s Foreign Ministry threw Jewish philanthropist George Soros under the bus, when the latter was being attacked by Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban last year. Orban, who had recently praised the Nazi-collaborator Hungarian leader Miklos Horthy, ran a massive ad campaign against Jewish Hungarian-born billionaire George Soros, with anti-Semitic undertones serving an anti-immigrant agenda. At first, Israel’s ambassador to Hungary, Yossi Amrani, condemned the billboard campaign, saying it invoked “sad memories but also sows hatred and fear.” But a day later, the Foreign Ministry in Jerusalem under Netanyahu issued a “clarification,” which states that while Israel deplores anti-Semitism and supports Jewish communities in confronting this hatred, criticism of Soros was legitimate:

“In no way was the statement meant to delegitimize criticism of George Soros, who continuously undermines Israel’s democratically elected governments by funding organizations that defame the Jewish state and seek to deny it the right to defend itself,” the Foreign Ministry stated.

So Mandelblit is ostensibly playing politically correct, but in fact signaling his approval for this cultural censorship of Geffen, in a most shameful way.

Anyhow, Defense Minister Lieberman is not even pretending to accept Mandelblit’s official position (which is legally binding) – Lieberman said he is “rejecting Mandelblit’s opinion out of hand.”

Lieberman is suggesting that Geffen’s expressions are simply an existential danger – to all soldiers, whom it is his duty to protect:

“My role as defense minister is to shield all soldiers—both regular and reserve—who cannot retort to politicians and public figures”, he said.

Lieberman posed that he was simply, and exclusively, guided by common sense:

“My only guide is the law of common sense, which stands above any bureaucratic instruction”, he said.

The suggestion is that Mandelblit has simply lost it.

“With all due respect and admiration, which I do have towards the attorney general”, Lieberman added, “in this instance I reject his position out of hand. He would have been better served denouncing Geffen, who’s desecrating both Jewish history and IDF soldiers. Army Radio is first and foremost a military station, and will not provide a platform for tongue-lashings by some Israel basher or other against our soldiers.”

But the attorney general had in fact denounced Geffen.

And all the furor against Geffen is of course because he showed some understanding for Palstinian pride, dignity and heroism. That makes him an “Israel basher.” Culture Minister Regev added mockingly that he was “a poet determined to liberate Palestine.” It can hardly get any worse in Israeli jargon. Lieberman suggested that “the proper stage for Geffen’s nonsense are broadcasts of Hezbollah’s Al-Manar network.”

And attorney general Mandelblit opines that Geffen’s statements are “outrageous.”

Because, in Israel, you are not allowed to show understanding for Palestinian humanity.
http://mondoweiss.net/2018/01/israeli-defense-minister/

[skinster]

[skinster]

[skinster]

You guys are off-topic.

Close to 1.5 million people have signed a petition for Ahed's release.

Israeli poet apologizes for comparing Ahed Tamimi to Anne Frank
The Israeli poet Yehonatan Geffen caused great outrage in Israel when he posted a poem (on his Instagram) comparing Ahed Tamimi to iconic Jewish heroes during the Holocaust– Hanna Szenes and Anne Frank, alongside Joan of Arc–causing Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman to call for banning him completely from army radio, as well as all other media.

Now Geffen has recanted, saying he was “effectively under house arrest” since the poem was published. He had become so controversial that he feared to show his head: “I was under siege for a week, didn’t open the door, didn’t eat for a week”.

Geffen spoke at a cultural event in Petah Tikva Saturday night, on Holocaust Memorial day, per the Jerusalem Post:

“[I]t was really a mistake, and I apologize for it, in particular to all those who were personally offended.”

The Defense Minister showed his immediate compassion, with Jewish religious overtones:

“He who confesses and renounces [sins] finds mercy”, he said, quoting from Proverbs 28.

The Moldavian night-club-bouncer-cum-Defense Minister, and illegal settler, is apparently vying for other ministerial posts – Ministry of Religious Affairs, perhaps? It was Lieberman who was the main inciter against Geffen, even renouncing outright the state attorney opinion that as a Minister he should not interfere in army radio program decisions. True, Lieberman did not call for the decapitation of Geffen with an axe, or for his drowning in the Dead Sea, as he has suggested be done to Palestinians, but he “effectively” put Geffen under “house arrest”.

Geffen’s “house arrest” is nothing compared to the continued occupation of Ahed Tamimi’s Nabi Saleh, or compared to her continued incarceration – six weeks awaiting trial and counting – a girl of 16 in an Israeli prison, kept there until end of procedures because “she might slap again”.

Nor is Geffen’s “house arrest” anything near that of Dareen Tatour, the Palestinian-Israeli poet who wrote, “Resist them”. Tatour has been under arrest since October 2015. She is currently under house arrest, awaiting her next hearing, set for February 15th.

But Yehonatan Geffen is now a free man. After a few moments of actual solidarity with the oppressed, he tasted the wrath of Israeli society. He recanted, came back into the fold, and has now received the merciful benedictions of ‘rabbi Lieberman’.

But wait – Geffen does not give up so easily. He had to make another tongue-in-cheek crack about his error, to show he’s not totally lost his spirit, and that he has not completely capitulated to Israeli fascism. So what does he say?

“I could have, in that same line, compared her to Wonder Woman and Gal Gadot.”

Oh boy. That’s maybe provocative for Israelis in the sense that they don’t want their heroes compared to Ahed Tamimi at all, but that is provocative in a whole other, cynical sense: in which an oppressed individual is equated with her oppressor. Gal Gadot is not just an actor, and she’s not really a Wonder Woman. As Susan Abulhawa wrote in her piece “The wonder of imperial feminism” in Al Jazeera,

[Gadot] “is an avowed Zionist and cheerleader of war crimes. Gal Gadot, the actor in the lead role [of Wonder Woman], was an active soldier in the military when Israel invaded and carpet-bombed Southern Lebanon in 2006. In 2014, Gadot sent a message of support for Israeli soldiers as they were slaughtering more than 2,100 human beings imprisoned in a seaside enclave with no place to hide or escape. They bombed whole neighbourhoods, burying families in the rubble of their demolished homes. For 52 days, they rained death from sky, land, and sea on to defenseless civilians in the most densely populated place on earth.”

Abulhawa asks,

“What if Hollywood made this film in the 1980s and cast a militant apartheid supporter for the role of Wonder Woman? Would the US media focus on her acting talent and beauty instead of the fact that she openly and proudly asserts her right, as a white woman, to subjugate the natives of her country? What is even more bewildering is that Gadot is being touted as a feminist (per her own claim) and, remarkably, as a woman of colour. Queen Latifah fits that bill and would have made an excellent Wonder Woman, but I digress.”

Is that the character Geffen jokes that he could have compared Ahed to, seriously? Why? Because it would seem provocative for Israelis but still not be as egregious as comparing Ahed to Holocaust heroes? Is Geffen even aware of how cynical it would be to equate an oppressed with an oppressor? Probably not; these thoughts would probably hardly occur to any Israeli. The comparison to Gadot and Wonder Woman will be dismissed as silly, but not as criminal as the comparison to Szenes and Frank. Gadot’s many Zionist fans will no doubt be a bit offended, because how dare Geffen even suggest Ahed is a hero, because of course Gadot is a hero.

Yehonatan Geffen is now back to his normal ‘leftist’ life: the privileged Jewish-Israeli that he is, having succumbed to the fascist pressure to renounce his sinful comparisons. And the girl whom he once supported, has now been sacrificed on the altar of Jewish heroism and martyrdom, something which apparently cannot be compared to anything else, anywhere and eternally so.

Move on folks. Just another ripple in the chronicles of the ‘only democracy’.
http://mondoweiss.net/2018/01/israeli-a ... comparing/

[Rich]

I find it amazing that Jews are ensuing Hitlers tactics when they suffered from the same ordeal -

Yes because you like most people are trapped by your cultural prejudices. Take Black slavery in the United States its commonly supposed by ignorant SJW's that the Blacks were opposed to slavery. Most Blacks were absolutely fine with slavery and when given the chance to have their freedom and own slaves themselves, grabbed it with both hands.

If Black slavery had been ended and they had all been offered white people as slaves, then we'd have seen how much Black people were against slavery. As we saw in Africa they weren't. We White people have had a superior culture, we've been morally superior to the rest of the planet. We abolished slavery when the rest of the world was fine with it.

Our great weakness as WIGs (White Infidel Gentiles) is our self hating Christian heritage. We constantly project our own goodness on to others while projecting the evil of others on to ourselves. The Jews have created a culture built on racism, who still celebrate the genocide of the Canaanites 3000 years ago. Orthodox Jews think of us Gentiles as filth, too dirty to even share a meal with. Of course given this history this cultural inheritance Israel is going to be racist, but Muslim racism is worse. The Apartheid of the Hejaz is completely open.

The SJWs like Decky constantly seek to divide us, seeking to set Brit against German, Irish against Brit and Catholic against Protestant.

[Ter]

I always thought Rich is an equal opportunity hater.
Now I understand he only hates blacks, Jews and Muslims...