[Atlantis]

Following its decision to halt all weapons sales to the combatants in the Yemen conflict, the German government now also suspended its planned upgrade of Turkish tanks because of the Turkish incursion into Syria. The halt to arms sales to Turkey had been demanded by the left for some time already, but now even conservative leaders from the CDU have come out against the arms deal with Turkey.

Germany suspends upgrade to Turkey tanks

The German government has put plans on hold to upgrade German-made tanks used by Turkey amid a public outcry over a Turkish offensive in northern Syria.

Foreign Minister Sigmar Gabriel said the decision would be taken once a new coalition government had been formed.

[QatzelOk]

We won't do anything, we need the Turkish bases.

Yes, you need the Turkish bases, the Afghan bases, the Syrian bases, the Iraqi bases, the Pakistani bases, the Indian bases, the Saudi bases... etc.

It's called over-extension, and it can't work.

If Turkey ever leaves NATO (when the people there realize that NATO is primarily a tool for keeping countries that are a lot like Turkey poor and disorganized), it will mark the beginning of the end of this terror group of colonial dead-enders.

[Albert]

What is Erdogan thinking? Turkish military wares come from Nato and US. Unless he is thinking to switch to Russian side fully in the future.

[Rich]

Its fantastically amusing to see the Syrian Kurds getting their well deserved comeuppance. They chose to betray Putin, jump ship and throw their lot in with the American Jew worshippers. This forced Putin to make terms and compromise with the Turkish Muslim terrorist State.

Now lets remember Israel and their American boot lickers liked ISIS. I remember our Zionist leaders could hardly hide their glee as ISIS genocided Christians, Shia, Kurds and Yazidhis. They were overthrowing Iran's allies that's all that mattered to Israel. It was ISIS that forced Western leaders to attack them. With ISIS gone the Kurds in their area provide a useful block to Iranian influence, but Afrin doesn't really serve Israel in any way, hence the Americans abandonment of Afrin.

[Vanasalus]

What is Erdogan thinking? Turkish military wares come from Nato and US. Unless he is thinking to switch to Russian side fully in the future.

As of the end of 2017, >65% of wares that Turkish military purchases are produced by Turkish firms in Turkey.
They are targeting reach %80 self-adequacy rate by 2023, which is the 100th anniversary of the republic.

[Drlee]

We don't need bases to defend the US. We have by far and away the most powerful military in the history of the world. We have 2500 nuclear weapons on alert as I type this. We don't need overseas bases. Our enemies need shelters.

[Suntzu]

We don't need bases to defend the US. We have by far and away the most powerful military in the history of the world. We have 2500 nuclear weapons on alert as I type this. We don't need overseas bases. Our enemies need shelters.

How many nuclear weapons do the Russians have?

[Igor Antunov]

US anti-ship missile technology is 3 decades behind russia, and China just beat the US to the punch with deployment of functional railguns (coil gun actually, which is better).

Those carrier groups can't be used against great powers that would sink them instantly. US absolutely needs bases in its puppet territories.

[Vanasalus]

@Drlee We don't need US bases in Turkey to defend ourselves either.

[Suntzu]

@Drlee We don't need US bases in Turkey to defend ourselves either.

We don't the bases anywhere to defend ourselves. We do need foreign bases to be the world policeman.

[Zionist Nationalist]

US anti-ship missile technology is 3 decades behind russia, and China just beat the US to the punch with deployment of functional railguns (coil gun actually, which is better).

Those carrier groups can't be used against great powers that would sink them instantly. US absolutely needs bases in its puppet territories.

Russias entire military is 3 decades behind the west

even the s400 cant operate on its own as it cant notice objects that get too close to it so it have to rely on older generation AAs to defend it

[QatzelOk]

Russias entire military is 3 decades behind the west

Three decades behind?

Does that mean the Russian army isn't obese and addicted to their cellphones?

The American army (culture, economy, people, etc) were a lot stronger three decades ago.

The use of the expression 'three decades ago' as a negative, just demonstrates that person who uses it is a 'progress narrative' dead-ender - a suicide bomber for the technology gods.

[Zionist Nationalist]

Russian army is outdated on all aspects and currently they dont even have an operational aircraft carrier since they only one they have is now under maintenance for at least three years

[Suntzu]

Russian army is outdated on all aspects and currently they dont even have an operational aircraft carrier since they only one they have is now under maintenance for at least three years

They don't really need aircraft carriers. Their armor is the equal of American armor, The new T14 is superior. They are vastly superior in numbers, the Americans being only 10 division strong.

[Zionist Nationalist]

the t14 is good but have problems with the menchanical parts as they require special tools to change them and cant be used for both old generation tanks and this one

its also very expensive and Russia having troubles with mass producing it

[QatzelOk]

Russian army is outdated on all aspects and currently they dont even have an operational aircraft carrier since they only one they have is now under maintenance for at least three years

A lot of stragegizing is behind the dream of a Western-backed Kurdistan.

Above, in the quote, you can see the same game of "It's all about the machinery we have. We'll use propaganda to mask all the atrocities we perform with it" that went into the creation of other artificial, military states like Israel. And the USA and Canada.

Kurdistan, would be, in this format, another "culture" that responds 100% to the dictates of the military.

[Albert]

As of the end of 2017, >65% of wares that Turkish military purchases are produced by Turkish firms in Turkey.
They are targeting reach %80 self-adequacy rate by 2023, which is the 100th anniversary of the republic.

That is true that Turkey has been developing indigenous military industry; However, there are doubts as to the level of its development and as you said Turkey does not rely 100% on home industry to produce its military wares. That is why I'm questioning the wisdom of Erdogan's move in Syria, and to defy US foreign policy so blatantly who is the leader of NATO alliance that Turkey is a member.

This shows Erdogan is acting completely on his own and not in accordance with NATO's foreign policy. So is Turkey part of NATO in name only at this point?

[Rugoz]

This shows Erdogan is acting completely on his own and not in accordance with NATO's foreign policy. So is Turkey part of NATO in name only at this point?

It's not like Turkey has ever treated the Kurds nicely. It's not the cold war anymore, but Turkey is still strategically important. As long as Turkey doesn't go too far down the Islamist route NATO will want to keep it.

I'm sure Turkey would have moved against the Kurds in Syria much more decisively if it weren't contrained by NATO. So far it looks like the Kurds will get their de facto state in Northern Syria.

[Vanasalus]

That is true that Turkey has been developing indigenous military industry; However, there are doubts as to the level of its development and as you said Turkey does not rely 100% on home industry to produce its military wares. That is why I'm questioning the wisdom of Erdogan's move in Syria, and to defy US foreign policy so blatantly who is the leader of NATO alliance that Turkey is a member.

Well, there is no need for the 100% self-adequacy. And, USA is not the only arms exporter in the world. Look what happened in air defense systems. USA refused selling Patriots to Turkey. One might wonder why. Nevertheless, we recently purchased S-400s from Russia instead.

There is no concrete US foreign policy about Syria, thus I am not sure what Turkey "blatantly defies.

This shows Erdogan is acting completely on his own and not in accordance with NATO's foreign policy. So is Turkey part of NATO in name only at this point?

I think there is a confusion about what "international alliance" means. It means certain countries align certain prospects of their foreign policy for the collective benefit for all ally countries involved.

The idea of creating a terror-state under PKK rule in Syria, along our south eastern borders, does not serve to our interests. As a matter of fact, it does not serve anybody's interest in NATO.

Therefore, it cannot be a NATO foreign policy.

[Rugoz]

As a matter of fact, it does not serve anybody's interest in NATO.

Therefore, it cannot be a NATO foreign policy.

Well...I'm sure that convinced everybody.