Sivad wrote:TIG attempts to debunk the deep state conspiracy theory by linking to articles that say there is definitely hostility and kickback from the "administrative state" against Trump. When even establishment propaganda organs like The New York Times are voicing concerns about an emerging US deep state the obtuse denial from people like TIG is just downright comical.
He also calls obviously biased news (propaganda) outlets "credible."
Sivad wrote:Well we know for a fact that the ties between Google and the CIA are long-running and deep so it's no surprise they'd be censoring criticism of the deep state.
It may be backfiring already. Different company, but:
Chances are you’re spending 24% less time on FacebookI have no problem posting political views here, trolling, providing feedback or critiques or whatever. I never do it on Facebook, because it's a place where I stay in touch with friends. The political trolling that goes on there has ruined the platform for me, so I'm guessing I spend less than half the time I used to spend there.
Drlee wrote:What is interesting about the NYT article is the notion that the deep state seems to be emerging because bureaucrats and department leaders have been denied their "rightful" place in the decision making process.
Bureaucrats have no rights to create policy under the constitution. They must answer to elected authorities.
Drlee wrote:If there is a developing "deep state" it is because these government officials see that the country is being deeply damaged. It is.
That's putting a spin on it that is utterly missing the point. The reason Trump got elected in the first place is that the deep state precedes him. Trying to use Trump as a justification for the deep state is a pyschic defense against why your faction lost in the first place.
Drlee wrote:I offer as an example the head of the NSA testifying to congress that the administration is doing nothing about the Russian meddling and the congress doing nothing about that. Is this little short of treason?
Given Putin's disdain for homosexual culture, it probably feels like treason to the LGBTQ community. However, the president sets foreign policy and Congress has the power to declare war. Since neither of them are interested in war with Russia and Russia isn't making war on the United States, this amounts to nothing more than histrionics from the 2016 election's losers.
Drlee wrote:Thank God for the people who are leaking information and standing up to this destructive behavior on the part of the administration and congress.
I see you are now on the side of the criminals.
Drlee wrote:If you want to be concerned about censorship how about condemning an administration which orders the CDC not to talk about an epidemic of gun violence
Guns are not a disease. It's a malfeasance of office to misuse public funds to further the private political beliefs of CDC administrators.
Drlee wrote:Note the number of cases Trump has lost in court.
Do you mean at the Supreme Court or at the district level in the 9th Circuit?
Drlee wrote:When they are illegally ordered to be silent, particularly in violation of the laws authorizing their organizations and positions, they ought to speak out.
Where have they been "illegally ordered"?
Drlee wrote:If the organization that the people are getting is the truth and it does not compromise national security, the fact that it is inconvenient to the president is irrelevant.
It's relevant if they are insubordinate. They should be fired if they are insubordinate.
Drlee wrote:We are supposed to be an open society.
George Soros is not a founding father of the United States.
The Immortal Goon wrote:But Blackjack already broke the news that I'm part of the Deep State conspiracy
For a self-styled communist, you are the most ardent defender of non-democratic capitalism here. Don't you find that a bit strange?
Drlee wrote:Trump is facing the challenges he and Fox news childishly whine about because he is behaving in a way that is at once illegal and where not specifically illegal definitely bad for the future of the country.
Illegal by what set of laws? Have you reported this to Robert Mueller yet?
Drlee wrote:I just had dinner with some very educated Canadians. What I got from them was not outrage or even scorn. I got pity.
Oh brother... Like we should be envious of Canada? We just overthrew hereditary power here in the US. Yet, the Royalist Drlee thinks we should be impressed with Canadians who make their prime minister the son of a previous prime minister. I'll bet you weren't waxing about the wonders of George W. Bush when he was president...
The Immortal Goon wrote:First, as Drlee points out again, the existence of civil servants is obviously not a conspiracy theory.
A conspiracy is just two or more people taking actions in furtherance of an objective. It's definitely a conspiracy. Creating laws is a conspiracy. It's just not a criminal conspiracy.
The Immortal Goon wrote:Meanwhile, the Guardian, Politico, Newsweek, CNN, the New York Times, and virtually any other remotely credible sources
Bwhahahahaha... maybe the Guardian gets some kudos for covering Wikileaks. The rest of them are clearly pushing establishment propaganda.
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