[B0ycey]

I suspect you are correct to some extent @Heisenberg. As an outsider to this case, you can make some assumptions based from logic. If Putin wanted this guy dead, he would have been dead before the prisoner exchange. Also, I suspect he wouldn't have used a nerve agent, but a radioactive poison like polonium perhaps as fatality is higher and so is transport and handling. But I do think that there is a spy connection, just not political. The many faces of a spy has the ability to encounter and trick plenty of persona, and not all will be government officals. Who knows what fingers he has placed in what pies?

It be interesting to see how this plays out, but my money is the link will "not" come from the Kremlin.

[Atlantis]

The number of Russians who have found shelter in the UK is conspicuous. There are dissidents, there are oligarchs who have fallen into disgrace, there are spies, there probably is the Russian Mafia, and there are many more. They all find a congenial environment in the UK.

The UK isn't normally that generous when it comes to granting asylum to war refugees, but these shady characters from Russia are welcome. When people get into shady business, be it spying, crime, or dodgy business deals, they know they are taking risks. They may be killed for any number of reasons.

Why should Putin be responsible? The Italian PM Gentiloni wasn't accused of having ordered the assassination of the Maltese journalist who investigated the Italian Mafia. The KGB wouldn't have released the former spy if he still had sensitive information. Why should they want him killed?

It is obvious that the UK is using this incident to increase tension between Russia and the West. Luckily, the EU will no longer have to support the UK in matters like this.

[skinster]

Putin having a Russian killed in the UK right around the time of a Russian election sounds a lot to me like that time when the Lion of Syria, Bashar al-Assad, Father of all of Syria's Children, used chemical weapons around an area where chemical weapons inspectors were visiting, which proved to be bullshit.

Does anyone have any evidence either way yet?

[Zag Edit: Rule 2]

[RhetoricThug]

See, human myths can get you killed. The surface symptoms of consciousness get in the way... All ideologies are idiotic, whether religious or political, for it is conceptual thinking, the conceptual word, which has so unfortunately divided man. It is difficult for us to reflect inwardly, we therefore spend our time examining and critiquing others' thoughts/beliefs. As long as you pretend to be a human myth, there will always be an opposite myth pretending to be your opponent. Alas, violence begets violence, and tribal violence is a symptom of our collective ignorance.

[skinster]

Shut up, RT, Bashar al-Assad, the Lion of Syria, his Lion-like & Lioness-like forces in the SAA, and allies, are resisting against all the world's powers and resistance is not the same as imperial violence. Stick your horse-shoe up your arse.

Back on topic:

Does anyone have any evidence either way yet?

[Decky]

Why do we take in all these treasonous shits anyway? Can't they defect to the US instead?

[anarchist23]

Russian TV presenter warns traitors that their life expectancy will be a short one. He also warned traitors not to settle in Britain. lol

[Potemkin]

Russians gonna be Russian.

[anarchist23]

About 180 military personnel have been deployed to Salisbury to help in the investigation into the attempted murder of an ex-Russian spy and his daughter.
The military personnel - drawn mostly from the Army, but also from the Royal Marines and RAF - are experts in chemical warfare and decontamination.
Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia collapsed on Sunday afternoon after being exposed to a nerve agent.
Home Secretary Amber Rudd has described the attack as "outrageous".
Those deployed include instructors from the Defence Chemical Biological Radiological and Nuclear Centre and the 29 Explosive Ordnance Group, who are experts in bomb disposal.
The military has also sent 18 vehicles.
The Metropolitan Police said the counter-terrorism unit has requested the military's assistance "to remove a number of vehicles and objects from the scene", including ambulances that may have been contaminated while assisting the victims.
The public should not be alarmed and there is no evidence to suggest a wide public health risk at this time, the police added.
Valery Morozov, a Russian exile, told BBC News that Mr Skripal was working in cyber security.
The former Russian military security colonel and his daughter remain in a critical condition at Salisbury District Hospital.
Det Sgt Nick Bailey - who attended the scene on Sunday - is conscious but "very anxious" about being exposed to a nerve agent.
Director of nursing Lorna Wilkinson said Mr Bailey was in a serious but stable condition.
Specialist investigators wearing protective suits have been seen examining the bench that Mr Skripal and his daughter collapsed on.
Mr Skripal's house and his car have also been cordoned off.
It is known that Mr Skripal and his daughter had visited the Mill pub and Zizzi restaurant in Salisbury on Sunday afternoon, before they were found near the Maltings shopping centre.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-43344725

[Atlantis]

Why do we take in all these treasonous shits anyway? Can't they defect to the US instead?

Regime change, Decky, regime change! The empire loves regime change.

Having taken in Libyan jihadists was just so handy when it came to getting rid off Qaddafi.

Taking in Iraqi dissidents was so helpful when the spooks had to concoct stories about Saddam's WMD.

Most news from the Syrian civil war we get in the Western media is from a one-man media operation run by a Syrian dissident North of London.

The empire always stockpiles dissidents from around the world so as to be ready whenever there is trouble that can help topple yet another government.

[Atlantis]

Spon published an interview in German with Waleri Morosow, who is a Russian dissident living in London and who had met Skripal recently. According to Morosow, Skripal is a small fish because he was only sentenced to 13 years in a work camp and that as far as Moscow was concerned, the affair was close. He also said that Skripal had good connections at the Russian embassy in London, where he frequently visited. Morosow thinks it unlikely that the KGB is involved because they wouldn't have tried to kill his daughter.

Morosow confirmed that the UK is an El Dorado for Russian criminals and that the assassin may well have speculated that suspicion in the UK would first be directed towards the Kremlin.

Do we know how Skripal made a living? Did he get money from the British secrete service?

I wonder if he was involved in some sort of business for trying to supply nerve gas to Syria or some such place. If that were to be the case, the British are bound to keep the lid on it.

[Atlantis]

Russian TV presenter warns traitors that their life expectancy will be a short one. He also warned traitors not to settle in Britain. lol

On 7 March 2018, Channel One′s flagship current affairs program, Vremya, aired a personally mocking commentary on UK Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson′s reaction to the poisoning in Parlaiment. The commentary was delivered by the broadcaster′s Director of News Programmes Kirill Kleimyonov and concluded with an admonishment for ″exclusively pedagogical purposes"

to those who "dream of a career of a traitor to the motherland": "The profession of a traitor is one of the most hazardous in the world", as well as another one "for a broader audience": ″Don’t choose England as a next country to live in. Whatever the reasons, whether you’re a professional traitor to the motherland or you just hate your country in your spare time, I repeat, no matter, don’t move to England. Something is not right there. Maybe it’s the climate. But in recent years there have been too many strange incidents with a grave outcome. People get hanged, poisoned, they die in helicopter crashes and fall out of windows in industrial quantities. Better go to Continental Europe.″

What I have been saying all these years! Brexit Britain is toxic, even to Russians.

[anarchist23]

Philip Hammond has refused a plea by the widow of murdered Alexander Litvinenko for the Tories to pay back more than £820,000 donated by Russian oligarchs, insisting the cash is legitimate.
The Chancellor also denied the Kremlin is "laughing at us" over Britain's response to the killing and the suspicion that Russia was also involved in the poisoning of double agent Sergie Skripal.
Marina Litvinenko called for the return of the Russian cash - given since Theresa May became prime minister - saying: "You need to be very careful who you are friends with."

But Mr Hammond insisted there were "very strict rules" surrounding donations, which could only come from British citizens and were "carefully vetted".
"There are people in this country who are British citizens who are of Russian origin. I don't think we should taint them, or should tar them with Putin's brush," he said.
Speaking on the BBC's Andrew Marr programme, Ms Litvinenko said the prime Minister had broken her pledge - in a personal letter she brandished - to do everything to prevent a repeat of her husband's murder.
But the Chancellor insisted: "Nobody is laughing at us. This is a very serious investigation that is going on, let's see where it leads us."
The Sunday Times reported that Russian oligarchs and their associates have registered donations of more than £820,000 to the Tories since the summer of 2016.
Ms May promised to distance her party from Russian donors when she took office, her allies briefing that she would "sup with a long spoon" and reject a "business-as-usual" relationship with Moscow.
The Tories have received more than £3m from Russian billionaires and lobbyists for Moscow since their return to government in 2010.
And one of the most controversial donors paid the party more in a year under Ms May than in six years under David Cameron, the paper reported.

Sergei Skripal is a 'traitor', says Russian spy Anna Chapman
CCTV shows Russian spy and daughter moments before they were found
Sergei Skripal may have been targeted over 'freelance' spying
Who may have ordered the poisoning of Sergei Skripal and why?
Russian TV anchor says it is 'rare that traitors live'

Lubov Chernukhin, the wife of a former Putin minister, handed the party £253,950 in the year to September 2017, Electoral Commission figures show, and bid £30,000 to have dinner with Gavin Williamson, the Defence Secretary.
In her interview, Ms Litvinenko warned the lesson "was not learned", more than a decade after her husband, an outspoken critic of Vladimir Putin, was fatally poisoned.
A public inquiry concluded in 2016 that the killing of the Russian dissident had "probably" been carried out with the approval of the Russian president.
Ms Litvinenko was speaking as Mr Skripal, 66, and his 33-year-old daughter Yulia remain in hospital following the suspected nerve agent attack in Salisbury a week ago.
Detectives have yet to identify who was responsible, but Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson triggered a diplomatic row by pointing the figure at the Kremlin - something rejected by the Russian Embassy.
Ms Litvinenko showed a letter, sent to her by Ms May, when Home Secretary, promising to "continue to pursue justice" over the murder, to ensure no repeat.
But she said: "Unfortunately it happened again and the lesson after the murder of my husband was not learned.
"We understand the relationship between two countries such as Russia and the UK need to be at a high level.
"But we know Russia never supported the investigation into the killing of my husband, nobody was punished and people who were the killers of my husband were not even suspects."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 50321.html

[Rich]

This has Mossad written all over it. We are seeing ever more aggression against Assad, his Shia allies in Syria and his Russian backers. While Israel might have been happy with a Syria split between Al Qaeda and ISIS, Israeli officials admitted as much, any "more moderate" Sunni Arab regime, that would have legitimacy was worse than Assad. The Israelis don't like Assad, but his lack of legitimacy, his lack of support amongst Syria's Sunni Arab majority makes him far less of a threat than a unitary half way legitemate Sunni Arab regime.

For years Israel held back, it was worried that any action by them could bring down Assad, and he needed any help he could get from Russia. This was why our Zionist lackey leaders dialled down the anti Russian hysteria. Now its open season on the whole Iran, Russia, Assad, Hezbollah alliance.

[Decky]

This has Mossad written all over it. We are seeing ever more aggression against Assad, his Shia allies in Syria and his Russian backers. While Israel might have been happy with a Syria split between Al Qaeda and ISIS, Israeli officials admitted as much, any "more moderate" Sunni Arab regime, that would have legitimacy was worse than Assad. The Israelis don't like Assad, but his lack of legitimacy, his lack of support amongst Syria's Sunni Arab majority makes him far less of a threat than.

For years Israel held back, it was worried that any action by them could bring down Assad, and he needed any help he could get from Russia. This was why our Zionist lackey leaders dialed down the anti Russian hysteria.

Top post 10/10 would read again.

[Atlantis]

Philip Hammond has refused a plea by the widow of murdered Alexander Litvinenko for the Tories to pay back more than £820,000 donated by Russian oligarchs, insisting the cash is legitimate.

That's it in a nutshell. Westminster has turned a blind to the activities of Russian oligarchs and the Russian mafia because they bring hundreds of billions of their ill-gained wealth to the UK. You reap what you sow.

[RhetoricThug]

Humans misrepresenting humans in the age of collective ignorance.

Shut up, RT:

Why? What's wrong with the forum image, RT? Perhaps you should thoroughly explore any kind of sentiment which challenges the relative interpretation of 'things' you place faith in.

Russians gonna be Russian.

Yes, humans gonna be humans. After-all, what is a Russian, Potemkin? Is a Russian some kind of conceptual operating system based upon myopic tribalism? As a glorified fragment of social convention, when did humans start thinking therefore believing in the Russian myth? Like other human myths, the Russian cultural interpretation of Being human is a testament to our desire to be identifiable and secure (btw, security is ultimately an illusion). Of course, our basic instincts and intuition kick in, and as long as say, the German myth, American myth, etc, exist, the Russian myth must secure its abstracted interpretation of BEING present as a reaction to other reactions on a planet that supports biological activity. What a curious thing, as long as people think therefore believe they're conceptual classifications divided by local experience, they'll never unite under their biological expression or THE unified field of consciousness which must be causally responsible for the whole movement of thought and action. What is driving this illusion forward, and why are these myths 'overshadowing' the Interconnectivity of Being present?

This has The Zhentarim written all over it. We are seeing ever more aggression against an abstracted interpersonal identity. While Zhentarim might have been happy with a split between cultural myths, Zhentarim officials admitted as much, any "more moderate" Lords' Alliance that would have legitimacy was worse than an abstracted interpersonal identity. The Zhentarim don't like ABCDEFG, but his lack of legitimacy, his lack of support amongst The Lords' Alliance majority makes him far less of a threat than a unitary half way legitemate Lords' Alliance.

So let me get this straight, humans are role-players participating in a game called geopolitical dungeons and dragons? What are the rules, and what numbers can I roll to avoid the Debt&Death paradigm? What's 'wrong' with debt and death in the first place (of course, we invented the former)? Why are we so preoccupied with distractions that actually prolong the suffering?

But by all means, continue to think therefore believe in human myths.

[anarchist23]

Zizzi restaurants are getting free advertising. lol

Hundreds of pub-goers and diners have been told to wash their possessions as a precaution after traces of the nerve agent used in the Russia spy poisoning were discovered across the city. Up to 500 people who had been to the Salisbury Zizzi restaurant and The Mill pub last week before Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia were found unconscious on a bench are believed to be affected. Trace amounts of the chemical weapon used to poison the ex-Russian and his daughter were found at the pub and restaurant, police revealed today.Professor Dame Sally Davies, the chief medical officer for England, said the risk of harm was ‘low’, but gave the advice to anyone who had been at either venue after 1.30pm last Sunday Pub goers told to wash clothes after traces of nerve agent foun. Sally said after ‘rigorous scientific analysis’ there was some concern that prolonged exposure over weeks and months could cause health problems but it was ‘not a subject for panic’. She said the advice was a ‘belt and braces’ measure, adding: ‘The risk to the general public remains low and I am confident none of these customers or staff will have suffered harm.’ In a statement, Public Health England said: ‘While there is no immediate health risk to anyone who may have been in either of these locations, it is possible, but unlikely, that any of the substance which has come into contact with clothing or belongings could still be present in minute amounts and therefore contaminate your skin. ‘Over time, repeated skin contact with contaminated items may pose a small risk to health.’ The health watchdog said those who visited The Mill pub between 1.30pm last Sunday and closing time at 11.10pm on Monday, and the nearby Zizzi restaurant between 1.30pm on Sunday and 9pm the next day should take action. Clothes should be washed, ideally in a washing machine Clothes which cannot be washed, for example if they need dry cleaning, should be double bagged in plastic until further notice Mobile phones, handbags and other electronic items should be wiped with baby wipes, which should be bagged in plastic and put in the bin Other items such as jewellery and glasses should be washed with warm water and detergent. Home Secretary Amber Rudd revealed that investigators had found traces of the poison and had uncovered more than 240 witnesses and 200 pieces of evidence. Spy Sergei Skripal and daughter Yulia are said to have eaten at Zizzi in the hours before they were found slumped on a bench a short walk away. Detective Sergeant Nick Bailey, who fell seriously ill after tending to the pair, released a statement from hospital saying ‘he does not consider himself a hero’ and was ‘merely doing his job’. Mr Skripal, 66, was convicted by the Russian government of passing secrets to MI6, but given refuge in the UK in 2010 as part of a “spy swap”.

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[RhetoricThug]

Zizzi restaurants are getting free advertising. lol

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You certainly enjoy gossip. Of course, all of this is beyond your control, so why give it attention in the first place? Now you see, a human will go and harm another human, it happens to happen that way. Such activity will only create more of the same activity. Here I'm as its opposite. Reminding or showing you that this kind of behavior isn't 'The Way.' Alas, who's invested in such violence, and why are they in charge of the show? Why glorify the power of ritual abuse, for what exactly did this act accomplish in the grand scheme of things? It's collective madness/insanity.

Time's up, humanity
Get your act together
Give peace a chance
Start with thySELF

-One LOVE

[anarchist23]

@RhetoricThug
This is no gossip.
This happened a few days ago, I was shopping when, right in front of me, this guy keels over, he cuts his head open, he's frothing at the mouth, fitting. Tangled up in his shopping basket. I rested his head on a packet of toilet rolls. The paramedics asked for my name and phone number and took him away.