[noir]

Basically the views and the contributes are what we see in PoFo's BDS thread, all sort of Islamists, pro Palestinians white supremacists like the American Nazi leader, David Duke and auto-antisemites, like Mikko Peked and Gilad Atzmon.

Before elected Labour leader, Corbyn was part of an anti-Semitic Facebook group

As the party suspends members for hateful posts, a 280-page report details a slew of racist and anti-Israel material posted in the Palestine Live forum

By Robert Philpot8 March 2018, 7:43 pm

LONDON — Jeremy Corbyn, the leader of Britain’s Labour party, was an active member of a Facebook group which contained Holocaust deniers and anti-Semites, it has been revealed.

Corbyn appears to have been a member of the Palestine Live group for at least a year, and left it shortly after he became head of the opposition in September 2015.

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In a 280-page report released Wednesday, David Collier, a researcher and blogger, details a slew of anti-Semitic and anti-Israel material shared by members of the group.

One member said they were reading “Mein Kampf,” and suggested: “Everybody should be forced to read it, especially Jews who have their own agenda as to why they were not liked.”

Others discussed the use of the terms “Zionazi” and “JewNazi,” debated whether the BBC was controlled by Zionists, and shared conspiracy theories about the Rothschild family and Israel’s supposed involvement in the 9/11 and 2015 Paris attacks.

Members of the 3000-strong secret group — who include Holocaust denier Paul Eisen — are also said to have shared articles by David Duke, a former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, and links to neo-Nazi material.

Holocaust denier Paul Eisen, right, speaks with Israeli musician Gilad Atzmon, who the ADL and Southern Poverty Law Center both call anti-Semitic. (YouTube)

In one post, Jackie Walker, a former vice-chair of the pro-Corbyn Momentum group who is suspended from the Labour party over allegations of anti-Semitism, is shown asking: “How safe is this group?”

One of the group’s three administrators responds: “Very… no one is allowed in who is not trusted… I am very very careful… and it is a secret group.”

The Labour party has launched an investigation and promised disciplinary action against any of its members found to have posted anti-Semitic material. A number of party members have reportedly been suspended.

Senior British Labour Party activist Jackie Walker, 2016 (screenshot: YouTube)

Other members of the Palestine Live group are said to have included the Labour leader’s son, Seb, who is a senior aide to the shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, as well as a number of prominent pro-Corbyn members of parliament and activists. Two former Liberal Democratic parliamentarians are likewise alleged to have been members.

There is no suggestion that any of them, or the Labour leader, were aware of the nature of the material shared by some members of the site.

Corbyn is, though, shown by Collier to have posted on the site on a number of occasions. In one comment, he praised Dr. Mads Gilbert, a Norwegian physician and political activist who has claimed the 9/11 terror attacks could be blamed on “the politics the West has followed” and who has previously been barred from entering Israel.

Norwegian doctor Mads Gilbert at Gaza’s Shifa Hospital during 2014’s Operation Protective Edge (screen capture: YouTube)

Corbyn wrote of his “huge respect” for “my friend” Gilbert and said he would be “delighted to invite him to Westminster.” The Labour leader later suggested the Palestine Solidarity Campaign should issue the invite.

Corbyn also commented in a thread attacking Israel’s Hatnua party leader and former foreign minister, MK Tzipi Livni, where the abusive term “Zio” was used. On another occasion, he celebrated the UK Parliament’s 2014 vote to unilaterally recognize the state of Palestine in a thread in which another member referred to “wayward Jews who don’t deserve a homeland.”

A spokesman for Corbyn said: “Jeremy condemns anti-Semitism in all its forms in the strongest possible terms. He does not want the support of anti-Semites, who have no place whatsoever in the Labour movement.”

However, Jennifer Gerber, the director of Labour Friends of Israel, strongly condemned Corbyn’s former membership in the group:

“That Jeremy Corbyn was a member of a Facebook group frequented by anti-Semites, Holocaust deniers and Israel-hating conspiracy theorists is both appalling and utterly unsurprising. We have long known about the kind of company that he keeps and this is simply further confirmation of a deeply disturbing pattern of behavior,” said Gerber.

“Mr. Corbyn has repeatedly failed to apologize to the Jewish community and to recognize the hurt caused by his past actions and associations. Now would be a good time for him to do so,” she said.



Corbyn also came under fire from Joseph D. Glasman, head of political and government investigations at the Campaign Against Antisemitism. “There is no conceivable justification for Jeremy Corbyn’s participation in this group. One of Mr. Corbyn’s slogans is ‘standing up, not standing by,’ but in this case he has not stood up but instead he actively joined in,” said Glasman.

A week of scan-dall

The Palestine Live revelations are the second controversy surrounding Corbyn’s attitude towards Israel in recent days.

Over the weekend it was reported that a member of the Labour leader’s staff had labeled Israel “an apartheid state,” accusing it of committing “genocide” during the 2014 Gaza war and suggesting its behavior was only tolerated “because of the Holocaust.”

Labour has been dogged by allegations of anti-Semitism throughout Corbyn’s leadership and accused by critics of failing to tackle the issue.

In an interview published Thursday, Britain’s former Chief Rabbi, Lord Jonathan Sacks, said he would refuse to hold talks with Corbyn until the Labour party showed “clearer signs of resolute action” against anti-Semitism within its ranks.

During his J-TV interview, released June 21, 2016, former London mayor Ken Livingstone said he would take out to dinner whoever succeeded in proving him wrong on the ‘fact’ that Hitler supported Zionism. (YouTube screenshot)

Last week, the ongoing row over the former London mayor, Ken Livingstone, took another turn when it was confirmed that his suspension from the party has been extended.

Livingstone suggested in 2016 that Hitler supported Zionism and last year claimed there was “real collaboration” between the Nazis and Jews. The decision by the party in April 2017 not to expel him over the comments provoked anger in the Jewish community and among many Labour MPs.

Leading moderate activists within the party on Thursday questioned Labour’s commitment to act against any members found to have posted anti-Semitic material in the Palestine Live group.

Richard Angell, director of the centrist Progress group, warned, “It is time for Labour to get a grip. Too many times the Labour party has over-promised and under-delivered when it comes to tackling anti-Semitism. We are assured the party’s new definition of anti-Semitism and powers to act are in place, what is missing is a willingness to act. It is heartbreaking.”

Illustrative: A young Labour Party supporter shows off his T-shirt with the face of Jeremy Corbyn, before an election campaign speech by the opposition leader in Basildon on June 1, 2017. (AFP/Justin Tallis)

At the same time, many in the Jewish community are concerned that Corbyn’s record does not appear to be fully understood by many voters.

Controversies over his past description of Hamas and Hezbollah as “friends” and his links to Holocaust deniers and anti-Semites were widely aired prior to his election as Labour leader.

Labour’s problems with anti-Semitism also received extensive media coverage prior to last year’s general election, when, in a major upset, Corbyn succeeded in preventing Prime Minister Theresa May’s Conservative party maintaining its majority in parliament.

“This is a real challenge for the Jewish community,” suggested one senior community source. He speculated that voters may not be as aware of the problem as many in the “Westminster bubble” assume and may lack knowledge about the nature of some anti-Semitic discourse.

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The writer is the author of “The Honorary Jew: How Britain’s Jews Helped Shape Margaret Thatcher and Her Beliefs.” He is the former editor of an independent centrist Labour magazine, Progress, and is now a contributing editor to it. His articles have appeared in The Jewish Chronicle, The Sunday Times, The Guardian, Commentary and History Today. He previously served as a special adviser in the Northern Ireland Office and Cabinet Office.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/before-el ... ook-group/

[skinster]

"You're racist for calling out our racism!!!"

auto-antisemites

[noir]

Labour suspends party members over 'anti-Semitic' Facebook group
Disciplinary procedures are under way amid allegations abusive posts were shared on the Palestine Live group.

https://news.sky.com/story/jeremy-corby ... p-11281462

[foxdemon]

Why have they only been suspended? If other groups did that they would be branded extremists and the authorities would take a harder line.

[noir]

The voting block of the Labour is the Islamic community. They don't really care.

[noir]

Many of them are already in all sort of suspension, like Jackie Walker of al Jazeera and Intifada Electronic. Most of the names you can find in PoFo's BDS thread. But the admin, Elleanne Green turned Palestine Live into one of the largest, and well-connected of the anti-Israel groups operating in UK.



One of the member is BBC's Yolande Knell, a Pallywood propagandist

[Deutschmania]

Noir -

One member said they were reading “Mein Kampf,” and suggested: “Everybody should be forced to read it, especially Jews who have their own agenda as to why they were not liked.”

Not all translations are alike. I have myself read the Ralph Mannheim translation , which us annotated , and includes a forward by Abraham Foxman , of the Anti-Defamation League . And also most recently I just finished reading Nazi Ideology Before 1933 , by Barbara Miller Lane . I found it to be quite informative , and in parts inspirational . Another thing I wanted to mention is that what makes one an anti-Semite is subjective . For example , I remember giving an unattributed quote from a book on the Holocaust , written by a Jewish author no less , to the effect that there should not be us and them , but rather one inclusive we . And some Zionist Jews then deemed me to be an anti-Semite , because in their mind such social integration would entail cultural genocide by way of assimilation . So to them , for at the time opposing ethnic nationalism, I was the equivalent of a neo-Nazi , especially as I pointed out the apparent similarities between how the Zionist regime has been treating the Palestinians with how Nazi Germany treated the Jews , and just how ironic I found this to be . So do I approve of the mass slaughter of the Jews which was carried out as part of the so called "Final Solution " ? No I do not . However , I do feel that certain Jews should put to death their spiteful selves in spirit , and thereby become born again so to speak . There are a number of Jews whom I admire , such as Jill Stein . If I had the power to , and it were called for , I would extend to the likes of her the status of honorary Aryan , as I think that she was a good noble spirit , and the term Aryan refers to one whom is of a noble character . So to cite the Bible ,  Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience,  in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them.

 But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth.  Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds,  and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.

[noir]

The secret board has lot of classic antisemitc tropes, like the German holocaust, Rothschild, 9/11 truthers, Mossad=ISIS, Holocaust deniers, Israel Lobby, Zionazi and many more. It's part of British socialist tradition since D'israeli days, it is called, "socialism of the fool", ("Der Antisemitismus ist der Sozialismus der dummen Kerle"). Noemon Edit: Rule 2 Violation

[skinster]

The group isn't anti-Semitic, it's anti-zionist. You know this, but you want to smear people who are anti apartheid as being the racists, which is odd, all things considered.

In related news, since you made this thread about Corbyn:

[noir]

Some of the materials in the secret board. It starts with the admin along Roger Waters (BDS guru) and continues with stuff that can be found on David Duke's Stormtrooper board. Lot's of holocaust truthers with BDS hashtag. Antisemitic nazi era style cartoons and many more. British left has a history of antisemitism (beginning with the Disraeli days) and the Catholic elements have deep visceral hatred to all thing Jewish. Palestine is just excuse

@Potemkin

https://www.scribd.com/document/3735311 ... stine-Live

[skinster]

Nonsense.

[Sivad]

British left has a history of antisemitism (beginning with the Disraeli days) and the Catholic elements have deep visceral hatred to all thing Jewish. Palestine is just excuse

Maybe, but it's a pretty fuckn' good one. You got some labor MPs on a questionable facebook group, the left's got the zionists running an ethno-nationalist apartheid replete with ginormous internment camps and regular civilian massacres. Do you really think history is going to come down on your side?

[noir]

Ethno nationalist apartheid state

[skinster]

[colliric]

Anti-zionism is a specific form of anti-Semitism.

You are basically saying kick the Israeli Jews off their homeland since 1948. You are basically arguing to evict them and force them to disperse.

You are basically anti-Semitic against the Israeli Jews specifically.

Still anti-Semitic even if you like Jews living outside of Israel.

[Oxymandias]

@noir

Gee I wonder why freaking Mauritania doesn't have many Jews (Hint: It's for the same reason Congo doesn't have any Jews. Because there was no reason socio-economically for Jews to historically move there. The only people who cared enough to move their were Arabs and Berbers for obvious reasons. Why do you think there's no Persians in Sudan for example?

Most of the "no recorded Jews in history" are African countries with majority African populations to begin with. There's no proof of ethnic cleansing in either of those countries.

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Now for the easy part. You may ask, "Why is it that all those Arab countries got rid of their Jews?". Well the answer is A. there was no organized effort to get rid of their Jews, especially in North Africa and especially in Morocco and B. it was due to the creation and the failure to defeat Israel. Ever since the creation of Israel there has been high tensions, that which has not existed in Muslim history ever before, between Jews and Muslims especially with the conception that many Jews could be Israeli sleeper agents. In fact the phenomenon is very similar to the relationship we see between Westerners and Muslims today. This is what lead to intense societal pressures which forced Jews out of their homes, not inherent antisemitism.

For the love of god if Muslims were as antisemitic as you say they were, there would not be as much Jews in the Islamic world as there were in 1948.

[Oxymandias]

@colliric

Ok, so if Zionists want to displace loads of people who lived on the land longer than they have and take not only their land but the lands of other countries nearby it, I would be anti-semitic if I opposed that. Zionism is not an ethnic group, it's a political ideology. It's like saying if you oppose Islamism or political Islam you hate all Muslims. It's like saying if you oppose Nazis or white nationalists you hate all Westerners. It's a ridiculous line of thought that clearly hasn't been thought through.

Not all Israeli Jews are Zionist. Zionism isn't a nationality either.

That last line makes no sense. Who the hell are you to say that if you dislike Israeli Jews you dislike all Jews? You're no authority on the matter and you don't have any form of evidence or logical backing to give you the legitimacy you need to be such an authority. Your words simply end up being meaningless.

Also I think anyone here who wants to completely get rid of Israel is simply fantasizing by that point. The best we can hope is an "Islamic Spain" sort of scenario. A foreign power integrated into the culture and society around it with vested interest in improving the living standards and prosperity of all regardless of ethnicity or religious denomination.

[Sivad]

In April 2016 the Jewish Socialists' Group put out a statement which expressed the view that anti-semitism accusations were being 'weaponized' in order to "attack the Jeremy Corbyn-led Labour party with claims that Labour has a "problem" of antisemitism". It went on to say "A very small number of such cases seem to be real instances of antisemitism. Others represent genuine criticism of Israeli policy and support for Palestinian rights but expressed in clumsy and ambiguous language, which may unknowingly cross a line into antisemitism. Further cases are simply forthright expressions of support for Palestinian rights, which condemn Israeli government policy and aspects of Zionist ideology, and have nothing whatsoever to do with antisemitism." The statement summarised "The Jewish Socialists' Group sees the current fearmongering about antisemitism in the Labour Party for what it is – a conscious and concerted effort by right-wing political forces to undermine the growing support among Jews and non-Jews alike for the Labour Party leadership of Jeremy Corbyn, and a measure of the desperation of his opponents."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemit ... #Rebuttals

[colliric]

@colliric

Ok, so if Zionists want to displace loads of people who lived on the land longer than they have and take not only their land but the lands of other countries nearby it, I would be anti-semitic if I opposed that. Zionism is not an ethnic group, it's a political ideology. It's like saying if you oppose Islamism or political Islam you hate all Muslims. It's like saying if you oppose Nazis or white nationalists you hate all Westerners. It's a ridiculous line of thought that clearly hasn't been thought through.

Not all Israeli Jews are Zionist. Zionism isn't a nationality either.

That last line makes no sense. Who the hell are you to say that if you dislike Israeli Jews you dislike all Jews? You're no authority on the matter and you don't have any form of evidence or logical backing to give you the legitimacy you need to be such an authority. Your words simply end up being meaningless.

I really hate this dick measuring "who lived here longer!" Stuff.

What matters is who lives there now. You would be anti-Semitic. You want to kick them out of their home for the past 60 years and make them homeless(going on Birthdates that's roughly 3-4 generations already, Baby Boomers to Generation Z's).

If you dislike Israeli Jews and are racist towards them you are anti-Semitic to them because you dislike one group of Jews with hardcore Passion. You are not anti-Semitic to other Jews, but you are anti-Semitic to that group of Jews.

To be anti-Semitic is to be racist against Jews of any kind. Not necessarily the entire Jewish community. You can single out "i'm anti that group of Jews" if you wish to, but the statement applies to you nonetheless.

If I call a Mandarin person a Yellow Commie Chink... I am being racist against the Chinese People... Even if I then go and eat Yum Cha with a group of Cantonese people and shout them all to some nice Dim Sum. Even if I then say "How can I be racist against Chinese when I love the Cantonese and Taiwanese people so much!".

I am being racist against a particular group of Mainland Chinese. Therefore the statement "I am Racist against some Chinese People" and "I am Racist against Chinese People" is 100% true.

That's a fact.

[foxdemon]

I really hate this dick measuring "who lived here longer!" Stuff.

What matters is who lives there now. You would be anti-Semitic. You want to kick them out of their home for the past 60 years and make them homeless(going on Birthdates that's roughly 3-4 generations already, Baby Boomers to Generation Z's).

If you dislike Israeli Jews and are racist towards them you are anti-Semitic to them because you dislike one group of Jews with hardcore Passion. You are not anti-Semitic to other Jews, but you are anti-Semitic to that group of Jews.

To be anti-Semitic is to be racist against Jews of any kind. Not necessarily the entire Jewish community. You can single out "i'm anti that group of Jews" if you wish to, but the statement applies to you nonetheless.

If I call a Mandarin person a Yellow Commie Chink... I am being racist against the Chinese People... Even if I then go and eat Yum Cha with a group of Cantonese people and shout them all to some nice Dim Sum. Even if I then say "How can I be racist against Chinese when I love the Cantonese and Taiwanese people so much!".

I am being racist against a particular group of Mainland Chinese. Therefore the statement "I am Racist against some Chinese People" and "I am Racist against Chinese People" is 100% true.

That's a fact.

Thank @colliric . You have given me a point worthy of ethical consideration.

I confess that I have been thinking that Taiwanese and people from HK are ok, but mainlanders are suspect. But that is because I am not a great fan of the communist party. It is not fair to associate all mainlanders with the communist party. Many would like somewhat more choice but aren’t free to express their aspirations.

I will need to think this over.