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If their grandparents could foresee in the 30th what UK would look like after going to war to "protect Poland", they would be less willing to die.

You can stampede people into wars when you tell them that the future of their children and grandchildren is in danger.

The Brits were told in the 30th that they would have to learn German if they do not go to war, because the Anglophile Hitler was after them, and Germans were going to rape their children and grandchildren...

Now their grandchildren are really raped, but it seems that their leaders do not care...
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:roll:

Any more ridiculous staw men to put down? I have made it clear that I am opposed to anymore immigration to the UK from very right wing religious societies and the brutal anti religious policies I favour would likely lead to a great many people who are already here decamping back to Pakistan or leaving to go to another Europe nation with less of a focus on state atheism.
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You don't sound too impressed.

Child trafficker 'used a heated hair pin to mark her as his property' girl of 11 who was branded with the initial of her ‘owner’ abuser: ‘M’ for Mohammed. The court heard that Mohammed ‘branded her to make her his property and to ensure others knew about it’.


This paragraph is mind blowing.
#14895903
noir wrote:Hitler was the great Arab supporter. Read history. So were their 68ers offsprings.


Even if your CT was true, how does this disprove my arguments?

BTW, some NS supported Zionism, and some Zionists supported NS.

How does this fit into your CT?


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#14895904
As I have said Noir, the more people you import from very right wing societies the more right wing behavior you will get.

Of course the people responsible for mass immigration (the capitalists and their servants in centre right parties) will never reduce it as they don't care what happens to working class people's kids. Rich people's children are safely ensconced withing gated communities.
#14895929
Douglas Murrat on BBC silence

The BBC’s shameful silence on the Telford sex scandal
Douglas Murray

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/03/t ... x-scandal/

Last month, I wrote here about the BBC and ‘grooming gangs’. In particular, I speculated that it was unlikely that having once (after more than a decade) dramatized the mass gang-rape of British girls (and a man from Wales having partly been fired-up by it then ploughing a van into a crowd outside a mosque) that the BBC might not venture into such territory again. As I said, ‘nobody should be surprised if the BBC reverts to ignoring crimes like Rochdale in the future.’

As so often the situation is worse than I imagined. While I could see that the BBC drama department might be unlikely to again commission a programme looking at the most serious and widespread child-abuse to have occurred in Britain in modern times I thought that they might at least still report the news. No such luck.

The front page of yesterday’s Sunday Mirror read ‘Britain’s ‘worst ever’ child grooming scandal exposed: Hundreds of young girls raped, beaten, sold for sex and some even KILLED.’ Like the scandals in Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxfordshire and a growing list of other places, it seems that the victims are, once again, white British girls and the perpetrators men of ‘Asian’ background. Of course while in most other situations the word ‘Asian’ means ‘Asian’, for these purposes ‘Asian’ means ‘men of Muslim background, mainly Pakistani’.

The details of the Sunday Mirror’s investigation once again make for exceptionally difficult reading. The paper describes how girls as young as 11 were drugged, beaten and gang-raped in Telford. It describes how:

‘One 14-year-old, groomed and abused after her phone number was sold to paedophiles, said: “I hated what was happening and my abusers made my skin crawl but I was told that if I said a word to anyone they’d come for my little sisters and tell my mum I was a prostitute.
“Night after night, I was forced to have sex with multiple men in disgusting takeaways and filthy houses.
“I must have been getting the morning after pill from a local clinic at least twice a week but no one asked any questions.
“I fell pregnant twice and had two abortions. Hours after my second termination, I was taken by one of my abusers to be raped by more men.
“The worst moment came just after my 16th birthday when I was drugged and gang raped by five men.
“Days later, the ringleader turned up at my house and told me he’d burn it down if I breathed a word of what had happened.”
We once again learn how, over the course of four decades, every arm of the state – including council staff, social workers and the police – allowed the mass gang-rape of children to go on in their town. And we learn – once again – how fear of accusations of ‘racism’ meant that the identities of the culprits were hidden and cases were not investigated.

When the story broke yesterday it was covered across a range of other papers, including in all of the Mirror’s competitors. But the story clearly sent the BBC into a panic. As Ed West pointed out on Twitter, this morning the story was not even on the front page of the BBC’s website:

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You might look at that and think ‘Well, there’s a hell of a lot going on in the world at the moment that may take priority’. Like that disturbance at the final of the Crufts dog-show. And that story about an ex-footballer spitting at a woman in her car. What chance does the rape of 1,000 young girls have beside such competition?

Except that the story was not on the ‘England’ page either.

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In fact, the mass gang-rape of underage girls in Shropshire didn’t even make it to the homepage of BBC Shropshire. Only after a fair amount of comment about this online did the BBC manage, this afternoon, to squeeze the rape of the area’s kids into their round-up of Shropshire news.

So now, finally, there is a headline story about the case. Though it may be said to fit jarringly with the ‘My Telford’ video also on their front-page in which the BBC has splashed out some money on a video in which students at Hadley Learning Community ‘Tell their Telford stories to BBC Radio Shropshire.’ I suppose we can just agree that it is to everyone’s regret that while the BBC was choosing to spend part of the license fee on this pointless piece of feel-good pabulum they forgot to make a video-story in which young women in Telford could have told about their very different Telford experience.

That ‘My Telford’ could have been a really interesting and important video. Or it would have been if every single arm of the state plus the official state broadcaster hadn’t already decided that the children of Telford being gang-raped on an industrial scale (Telford is a town of just 170,000 people) is one big yawn-fest. Or that they basically agree with the very basic Labour MP Naz Shah who last year revealed her own opinions about all this when she re-Tweeted a (satirical) Tweet suggesting that the victims of the Rotherham sex abuse scandal should ‘shut their mouths. For the good of #diversity.’

For it is now not just abundantly but repeatedly clear that most people in positions of authority in this country never did want stories like Telford, Rochdale or Rotherham to come out. Not just because they want to continue being allowed to negotiate between the facts and the public, rather than just reporting the facts to the public. But because such stories spoil – perhaps more than any other – the pleasant, transient, but for the time-being dominant narrative which a whole generation of people in authority have come to believe in, or at least preach. Don’t forget that, as the case of the MP Sarah Champion showed last year, you can still lose your job in this country if you say this is going on.

It is easier to keep trying to cover it all over. And that is why there is now such a concerted effort online and in the non-online world to shut down, bar, silence, ban, deport and downgrade not the people who cover for these crimes but rather anyone who speaks out about them, highlights them, campaigns against them or does anything else other than join in the general silence. ‘For the good of diversity’.


Compare this with obsessive inflammatory coverage on the Palestinian girl, Ahad Tamimi

https://bbcwatch.org/tag/ahed-tamimi/
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@Decky

Douglas Murray

The front page of yesterday’s Sunday Mirror read ‘Britain’s ‘worst ever’ child grooming scandal exposed: Hundreds of young girls raped, beaten, sold for sex and some even KILLED.’ Like the scandals in Rotherham, Rochdale, Oxfordshire and a growing list of other places, it seems that the victims are, once again, white British girls and the perpetrators men of ‘Asian’ background. Of course while in most other situations the word ‘Asian’ means ‘Asian’, for these purposes ‘Asian’ means ‘men of Muslim background, mainly Pakistani’.
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What should be scrutinized isn't necessarily the facts of the matter as it it's not apparent why shouldn't believe this is the case, but the right wingers should be explicit about their implicit belief of what they speculate this confirms, the meta-belief. The one in which one possibly assumes inner essence associated with a categorized appearance as a causal force eg they raped and abuse these children because they were X.
Spoiler: show
http://inthesetimes.com/article/2361
And exactly the same goes for the looting in New Orleans: Even if all the reports on violence and rapes had proven to be factually true, the stories circulating about them would still be “pathological” and racist, since what motivated these stories were not facts, but racist prejudices, the satisfaction felt by those who would be able to say: “You see, Blacks really are like that, violent barbarians under the thin layer of civilization!” In other words, we would be dealing with what could be called lying in the guise of truth: Even if what I am saying is factually true, the motives that make me say it are false.



So what comes as absurd is the generalization to an entire peoples from the crimes of some where the comparable viewpoint would be a generalization to another racial/ethnic category based on crimes within one's own country of similar background to one's self.
It would seem that because the meta-belief is left unexplored, implicit, there isn't any nuance to be made of how such a belief is to be articulated and defended, why there is such a lack of nuance possibly to one's sense of causality to these crimes. It's a simplistic, this confirms my speculations of the worst as generalization to an entire group of people, which appears initially at least to be lazy thinking.
The argument isn't made and as such, the assertion of look, see what happened and who done it becomes only persuasive to those who already share the same assumptions. Because it just doesn't resonate and register without a shared belief that makes one interpret it so readily in what is speculated to motivate such a thread.
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That number is meaningless within itself as there's not really a point of reference, it's a raw number but how is one to make signifiance of it? I mean a single case has significance but in the realm of numbers, to make that stand out, would have to put it in relation to show that it is somehow worthy of note.

In regards to BBC, I don't know, don't have much of an opinion or impression of them. One could perhaps speculate a sort of political correctness though not sure if people see BBC as one for that, which is a weak response should it be done in fear of people misconstruing such a case.
But even with that impression, it is to be noted it is speculative and not something that readily confirmed.

The concern here though is how sexual violence isn't a concern in itself but becomes confined to certain groups. It has a historical trajectory in which rightly or wrongly, those more likely to be believed criminals of violence are poor and coloured (their skin color acquiring a status often in relation to being disproportionately poor, an average status effect). It becomes an all too easily call for imperialsim or attack based on people's anxieties about such populations. Which doesn't require that the real cases of such are to be ignored, but that the meta-belief should certainly be questioned for its tendency to side with state violence when it suits the state. Often based on reckless interpretations that don't know how to make standardized comparisons, the glowing example often been the characterization of Sweden as some rape capital ignoring its expansive definition of sexual assault and policy in reporting compared to other countries. All feeds into a hysteria which of course confirms worst suspicions which aren't to be countered strictly on the level of fact but need to be more deeply interrogated as to how people interpret the world around them.
But I would emphasize something more to a feminist position in which sexual violence in general is in consideration and it's not only note worthy when some coloured folk do it as it's not a problem confined to them but much more prevalent. Which some may simultaneously deny whilst asserting the prevalence of violence by the specified group, showing a lack of concern for such violence except to the extent it politicizes their concern with a set group.

To which I like @AFAIK 's point in regards to it being a failure of the system. I live in a poor state where child protection services are severely under resourced to the point of being fraudlent of federal requirements and police failing to take up a lot of things because of their lack of resources or prioritization with requirements of their superiors who are influenced by political figures. Such that the majority of violence and abuse in this state can no way be meaningfully responded to. So when a kid does end up dead, people point fingers at a child protection services that was notified but didn't remove the kid without considering that they're so under resourced that the very decision to remove a kid requires a very high burden of proof and justification even where people feel the child is being mistreated.

The question to ask in this case is why did they fail to investigate this, why did it go on for years? In the case back in Australia, can point to examples of powerful actors bribing police and such. This is where we could speculate maybe the police are too PC (though I doubt it) about arresting coloured folk for crimes. Or where thre pressures elsewhere to impede them doing so?
An issue being that outside of policy, there is simply the realization of such policies where even if they're perfect, it takes people to act in accordance with them, to have an existing culture that actualizes the ideal standards.
Either way, it's pretty bloody terrible and is on par with many terrible things that happen and absolutely nothing is done about it because the state is impotent and sometimes unwilling to protect many of the most vulnerable.
My glances at the subject don't readily lend itself to conclusions of PC or anything else, Douglas Murray asserting as much has the same possibility of simply confirming presumptions rather than arguing persuasively that it is the case. But then again it's not entirely implausible as the liberal response is rather weak against such questions, afraid to talk about things and actually feeding into the rise of reactionaries as far as I can tell for not offering a substantive alternative.
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noir wrote:Douglas Murrat on BBC silence



Compare this with obsessive inflammatory coverage on the Palestinian girl, Ahad Tamimi

https://bbcwatch.org/tag/ahed-tamimi/


Who controls BBC?
Nazis? Muslims? Zionists?
Cui bono?
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Godstud wrote:There is no mention of Islam, Muslims, or Immigrants in the entire article you posted. You'd think that you just fucking made that shit up....

You trying to link it to such, is dishonest, @noir .

More Islamophobia from the right wing propagandists.

Well spotted! These are Muslim gangs. They are not people from the Hindu, sikh or Buddhist communities. For a long time there has been an unspoken alliance between the cultural Marxists and the Neo Nazi right to racialise the issue. The left are more than happy to whip up racism if it will protect their beloved Muslims.
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Grooming gangs are exploiting society’s ‘deep prejudice’ against children in care, poet Lemn Sissay has said.

Lemn, who was raised by a foster family in Wigan before spending his teenage years in numerous care homes, says kids in care are still viewed as ‘toxic’.

And he says grooming rings, such as the gang led by Shabir Ahmed in Rochdale who were convicted in 2012 of the horrific abuse of five vulnerable young girls in the town, some of whom were in care, are ‘exploiting our blind spot’ to target their victims.

“It is really easy for us to blame the social workers or the authorities, but the abuse in Rochdale - and Rotherham, Oxfordshire and elsewhere - could not have happened if society wasn’t still prejudiced against children in care,” said Lemn, who was abused physically, emotionally and racially during his time in care.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk ... g-13727063


There is growing evidence that children in care are particularly vulnerable to child sexual exploitation and a disproportionate number of victims, who were groomed or sexually exploited, were in the care system. Some children “introduced” other children within homes to their abusers and there is a constant flow of vulnerable children for perpetrators to exploit from the care system. The majority of the looked after children are white (77%) and in foster care placements (75%), while some children were looked after under police protection or involvement with the Youth Justice System.

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