[foxdemon]

You can't have a political party with its own armed forces. I don't know any country where the central government says okay to secessionn and let its people to be threatened by vandals. Turkey is acting on behalf of its people to secure itself from external and internal threats.

HDP never become a real political party. It has been always a wing of a armed terrorist organization who do not want to give up its arms.

What about Lebanon? Why should Lebanon continue to be threatened by vandals? I agree with you that Hezbollah should immediately be disarmed.

[anasawad]

[ I know that you have a better knowledge of the ME. What I say is just idle speculation. Nevertheless, according to this

Not in all aspects.

I know that your concerns are founded in reality, and I agree with you on those possibilities.
Now for looting and pillaging, thats really expected with or without Turkey's approval. Even regime soldiers do so. So its not new.

Killings and massacres are the bigger problem in this situation for Turkey.
The Kurds are fleeing most probably because they expect the Arab fighters to do to them as the various Kurdish groups did to the Arab residents in areas under their control.

What 'm saying is, if the Turkish proxies started committing massacres against the Kurds in Syria, then Turkey can expect a large scale insurgency happening inside its own territories from the Kurdish populations there.
So if there was an ounce of intelligence left in there, they would hopefully not do that as it would end badly for both sides.

[Vanasalus]

A bunch of update videos from Afrin, displaying the situation on the ground:

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[Deutschmania]

The way I see it , this conflict is about far more than Kurds vs. Turks . Rather this is an internationalist struggle between the forces of socialist democracy , represented by the YPG/YPJ / PKK , Pan-Islamism / Neo-Ottomanism , which ultimately seeks the establishment of a worldwide caliphate . And I don't see the current situation as a lasting defeat , but rather as a temporary set back . If Kobane was like Stalingrad , then Afrin will be as Vietnam . < https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/kobane-was-stalingrad-make-afrin-vietnam-web-only-feat , https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/19/kurdish-ypg-militia-vows-make-afrin-ongoing-nightmare-turkish-syrian-rebel-forces > Freedom fighters from around the world have gathered to participate in what might be described as being a "Battle of Armageddon" against the anti-Christ , Erdogan . < https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/24/middleeast/turkey-syria-foreign-fighters-kurds-intl/index.html , http://theregion.org/m/article/12710-which-red-flag-is-flying-the-communists-defending-afrin > So more than a regional war , it's a revolution .

[Deutschmania]

You can't have a political party with its own armed forces. ...... Turkey is acting on behalf of its people to secure itself from external and internal threats.

HDP never become a real political party. It has been always a wing of a armed terrorist organization who do not want to give up its arms.

Oh , well in that case , how would you explain the Grey Wolves , and its relationship with the Nationalist Movement Party ? https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/turkish-elections-turkeys-kurd-hating-grey-wolves-spreading-neo-nazi-poison-across-europe-1504725 Not to mention the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood , and Hamas , which Erdogan and his Justice and Development Party has friendly relations with . < https://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/alarabiya-studies/2013/10/14/Turkey-s-relationship-with-the-Muslim-Brotherhood.html , https://clarionproject.org/turkish-pm-erdogan-top-backer-hamas/ >

[Deutschmania]

You do realize that you're actually directly related to Turks right? Turks are ethnically Jewish:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khazars

Not true . https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Khazar_myth And actually , for what it's worth , Jews and Palestinians alike are closely related to the Kurds . http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/news/2011/09/jews-palestinians-have-close-genetic-ties-say-researchers.php But like I posted above in this thread , this is not an ethnic conflict , but rather the struggle between the forces of the reactionary Islamist right and the revolutionary socialist left , for the future of the world .

[annatar1914]

Not true . https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Khazar_myth And actually , for what it's worth , Jews and Palestinians alike are closely related to the Kurds . http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/news/2011/09/jews-palestinians-have-close-genetic-ties-say-researchers.php But like I posted above in this thread , this is not an ethnic conflict , but rather the struggle between the forces of the reactionary Islamist right and the revolutionary socialist left , for the future of the world .

In general I agree with your posts on this issue, but I have a set of related concerns that bother me. First, are the relations between the Syrian government and the Kurds. Second is the relations between the Kurds and the United States and Israel. You see, I view the survival of Syria and it's fight against reactionary Islamism to be a fight against Imperialism-I'm not a Baathist or Baathist supporter but that's for the Syrian people to work out. Also, while I like the Ideology of the Kurds pretty much, I'm not fond of the support they receive from certain quarters, I believe it's right for Turks to think that the Kurds are being used. However, is it like my cautious support for Assad, a pragmatic and temporary one, allowing support temporarily? I'm just looking for some clarification if you might help.

[Albert]

So whom are Turks are placing instead of YPG the free Syrian Army. How is that going to go with Assad in the future? Once SAA will reach there will that not spark a new conflict?

[Istanbuller]

Oh , well in that case , how would you explain the Grey Wolves , and its relationship with the Nationalist Movement Party ? https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/turkish-elections-turkeys-kurd-hating-grey-wolves-spreading-neo-nazi-poison-across-europe-1504725 Not to mention the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood , and Hamas , which Erdogan and his Justice and Development Party has friendly relations with . < https://english.alarabiya.net/en/perspective/alarabiya-studies/2013/10/14/Turkey-s-relationship-with-the-Muslim-Brotherhood.html , https://clarionproject.org/turkish-pm-erdogan-top-backer-hamas/ >

These groups are not relevant today. That is a thing of the past. It has nothing to do with today's issues. Kurdish problem even did not exist at that time.

There were series of violent political conflicts between the right and the left from late 1970s to 1980. It was 38 years ago.

[skinster]

[Papokarlo]