[noir]

The MSM can't call them "far right" and "racist", black man explains to American TV reporter, British goverment abandoned them

Thousands Gather in London’s Speakers’ Corner to Hear Tommy Robinson Deliver Banned Right-Wing Activist’s Speech


by Raheem Kassam18 Mar 20182,404

LONDON, United Kingdom — Thousands of free speech enthusiasts, alongside a handful of hard-left and Islamist opposition, gathered at Speakers’ Corner in London’s Hyde Park this afternoon to hear a speech written by Generation Identity’s Martin Sellner, delivered by former EDL leader Tommy Robinson.

Sellner was banned from entry by the UK government earlier this month, for daring to lead a right-wing organisation which sheds light on Islamic extremism and mass migration on the continent of Europe.


Robinson — formerly of the Rebel Media — delivered the speech to thousands who gathered in the snow at the historic Speaker’s Corner, the home of free speech in London for hundreds of years.

Marx, Lenin, Orwell, and others have famously given speeches at Speaker’s Corner, which is what drove Sellner and Robinson to pick the spot to deliver the speech (below).

Thousands listened to the speech live in person, while tens of thousands watched online.

Robinson told Breitbart London: “The true battle for free speech started today. This is just the start.

“The public have to support free speech so I want to say a personal thank you to everyone who spent their hard earned money and time travelling to London today.”

The event was mostly peaceful, though a handful of Muslim counter-protesters attempted to shout Robinson down, leading to a few scuffles. Breitbart London understands there were a handful of arrests, and also sectarian Muslim-on-Muslim scuffles.

THE FULL SPEECH BY SELLNER FOLLOWS:

Dear Friends, dear Britons, dear lovers of free speech.

…

My last refuge was Speakers’ Corner. I remembered my mother telling me about that special place when I was a child. It seemed almost magical to me. A place where everyone, without exception, could just stand on a box and start to speak to those who wanted to listen. I have always loved this tradition of Speakers’ Corner, which seemed very British to me.

But I came only to see that this tradition — the tradition of freedom of speech in the United Kingdom — is dead.

Your Country is blocking you from challenging ideas from the outside. This is a disgrace to our democracy!

…
People of the UK — remember who you are! Remember your glorious past, you are sons and daughters of knights, kings, explorers, philosophers and artists. Who is the sovereign in this country?


Full speech

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/03 ... ts-speech/

"Abdul Hamid and his extremist friends assualt people with weapons today infront of the police. Not one of them were arrested but the real telling thing is to watch the police not put one hand on the rioting Muslim protestors and instead manhandle the victims by continuously pushing them away from the aggressors......Two tier policing in full view people. This is Britian in 2018."

[foxdemon]

Tommy Robinson attracted quite a crowd.

There are some lessons there for America’s alt-right. I noticed people of colour, women an Israeli flag, people talking about solidarity with victims of political repression. They focused on free speach and refused to be distracted by factionalism. A stark contrast with the racism and anti-semetism on display at Charlottesville. And they were defending a symbol of freedom rather than statuses representing oppression.

The Islamic bullies couldn’t do much without police protection. It is quite sad the UK authorities would choose to support those guys when there are plenty of Muslims around who prefer free speech rather than a brutal theocracy. But then the establishment has been trying to control people through moral authority, which is the same kind of thing as theocracy.

I haven’t yet heard any response from the government. Tommy and his friends should step up the pressure and make them say something.

[noir]

Most important many blacks and even Muslims. One of the causes that it's hard to fight Islamic extremism is because they appropriated the "anti racism" discourse.

[foxdemon]

The Islamic extremism and the anti-racism is the same manner of thing. Both aim to use moral authority and coercion to force people to the will of those who wield the beliefs.

I noticed antifa didn’t turn out in force. They must have realised it was not the smartest place to challenge free speech, I guess.

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To attract more involvement in this thread, I will relate it to other current events. Tommy Robinson (Stephen Lennon) got involved with Pegida UK after the EDL. Pegida is a group originating in Germany that is anti Islamic, anti American and pro Russian.

It is curious that their opponents, the far left and antifa, share the same anti American and pro Russian views. Only difference is that the far left likes to defend Islamic theocrats for some strange reason.

Both are anti establishment. Both are sceptical of the UK government’s accusations of Russian culpability in the recent assasination. This shows two things.


1/ Putin has influence over both left and right radicalism. Now he has the Western elites caught in a vice.

2/ the Western establishment has done an amazing job at going from masters of overwhelming world power 30 years ago to isolated elites hiding in fear from rebelious commoners, and struggling to retain legitimacy. That really is an impressive feat.


Back to free speech. The UK government made a huge mistake in detaining Sellner and friends. At a time when their legitimacy is wavering, you’d think they would be more cautious.

[noir]

The left (Antifa is their shoking force) abandonment of the working class for the Third World and gender causes led to the current working class plight.

[foxdemon]

The left (Antifa is their shoking force) abandonment of the working class for the Third World and gender causes led to the current working class plight.

The basis of their thinking is Augustinian. They believe in original sin and penitence. Maybe their desire to selflessly sacrifice their fellow citizens on the alter of 3rd worldism is their way of absolving their sense of sinfulness?

(Shame @Rei Murasame isn’t here to get angry with that comment)

[noir]

There was a thread by Atlantis about the subject

THE MIGRANTS ARE TODAY'S REVOLUTIONARIES

viewtopic.php?f=45&t=170828&hilit=Revolutionary#p14835667

If you are unhappy with the regime you live under, you have two options: 1) change the regime by a revolution, or 2) move to another regime. The migrants have opted for the latter.

If you, for a second, stop considering migrants as unwanted intruders and consider them as human beings like you and me, this makes in fact eminent sense. Leaving aside the class of highly paid Expats, most migrants constitute what used to be known as Lumpenproletariat, the underlings that are the carrier of revolutionary change. That change is no longer a regime-change on the national level brought about by a revolution, it is a change on the international level, corresponding to international inequality, which has become a problem more pressing than national inequality.

In this scenario, the Western left is actually part of the exploiting class which is now joining forces with racist elements on the far-right to fight off the new Lumpenproletariat. The decline of the left is largely due to this contradiction. In the face of today's change, the traditional left, instead of fighting for the underdog, focuses largely on defending its own privileges, just like the capitalists of old.

Your analysis only makes sense in the light of a 'new and improved' interpretation of what is deemed to be 'left.' Left, in this degraded sense, is synonymous with free market liberalism. Free movement of labor, free movement of capital, and free movement of goods is its tripartite economic foundation. To recover some sense of the classic commitment to justice that was (once) the hallmark of the left, these latter day leftists have appended various cultural/social objectives that have superseded the deprecated leftist economic analysis. Your use of the term "traditional left" to describe these creatures is unwarranted.

Note that even under the strictest application of Marxist principles, there is no obligation for a socialist nation to accept unlimited immigration. Or even any immigration. The obligation of a socialist system is to survive, not to fulfill bourgeois moral precepts.

Economic migrants are, in a sense, revolutionaries. But whose revolution do they serve? They serve as unwitting canon fodder for the most revolutionary system of them all, laissez-faire capitalism. Their revolution is not against the privileged of their host nation, but of its proletariat.

:eh:

No.

The proletariat are the revolutionary ones, lumpen scum tend towards being counter revolutionaries, they don't sell their labour for a living and instead live from begging or crime, they would not benefit (as a class) from socialism as they are not exploited for their surplus value as workers are. Most lumpen scum would likely end up in gulags. Where did you get the idea anyone considered the lumpenprolatariat revolutionary? :?:

Economic migrants are now revolutionaries? Perhaps this is a new type of noble savage myth.

To some extent I agree with the OP. Marx and other revolutionaries from the 19th century was promoting equality through regime change. Today the fight is for equality for all by changing global attitudes rather than revolution. And SOME of the Communist left seem to conveniently forget Marx's message of an open utopian society in a classless borderless world and more focused on preserving their own interests by limiting the resources they have in their society to themselves.

Are migrants revolutionaries? They represent a message I guess rather than the bringers of revolution. They represent that our fellow man should be treated with respect and dignity. That we should help others in need like we would hope for others to do for us if the rolls were reversed. But where I disagree with the OP is that the left has somewhat abandoned migrants. The left has fractured into many ideologies. Most Socialists are in fact in favour of the rights of all man regardless of race, sex and creed. They protest on the streets to protect these rights. I would suggest instead we have people who consider themselves on the left, but are in fact on the right. They are the delusionists.

[foxdemon]

Those are all interesting views but I don’t agree with any of them.


Migration today has gone beyond moving labour around. It is the over population, famine, war and breakdown of social organisation that is forcing people to migrate enmass. This is comparable to the sea people’s migrations in the Bronze Age collapse.

The rate of immigration of people at too high a rate can lead to collapse of the host state. This then leads to that population starving and taking up migration too. This process might take a half century or so, but Europe has made a flying start on it.

The Egyptians and in a later epoch, Byzantine, managed to survive the collapse by remaining free from desperate hordes of immigrants.

[Pants-of-dog]

The Islamic extremism and the anti-racism is the same manner of thing. Both aim to use moral authority and coercion to force people to the will of those who wield the beliefs.

Please provide evidence for this claim. Thank you.

[Igor Antunov]

The only extremism on exhibition here is that of the media establishment and their pets (the Islamists). Tommy is a chav saint. He grew up in a poor, community with a large black minority. Shit hit the fan only when certain migrants showed up. Opposing Islam is not racism. The British establishment, is obviously full of shit.

[skinster]

Anyone who thinks Tommy Robinson is anything more than a mildly retarded bigot cashing in on selling dumb shit to racists, is just...what's that German word for experiencing embarrassment on behalf of others?

[Kaiserschmarrn]

I don't know much about Robinson, but considering the overreaction by the authorities and the left it's reasonable to assume that he tells a few inconvenient truths.

I'm at a point where I interpret the label "racist" as the person has probably something interesting to say.

[noir]

@Kaiserschmarrn

Watch his skills in this interview. Lord Pearson reminds him he used to be "naughty boy".

[noir]

Another day, another deportee. Reason: a written speech found in his bag.

Lutz Bachmann, who founded the German nationalist group ‘Patronic Europeans Against the Islamisation of the West’ (Pegida) has reportedly been detained at London Stansted Airport and deported back to Germany.

Bachmann posted an image of a statement from the Home Office, refusing his of admission, to his Facebook page. The post has since disappeared.



The Home Office document literally says:
“A speech was discovered during a baggage search which you have stated you are intending to deliver to the general public at speakers corner, Hyde Park”.

“This speech relates to your organization “Pediga” which is devoted to “combating the threat of Islam”, the activities of this organization have been involved in the promotion and incitement of racial hatred and division of communities. Furthermore this speech appears to have been written and it is believed should have been delivered by Martin Sellner an individual who is a member of an Austrian group which also promotes racial hatred and works against community cohesion and who according to your own admission during interview you have known very well for some years.

“According to Home Office records Mr Martin Sellner was recently refused admission to the UK on the grounds of public policy which he refers to in his speech which you intend to deliver.”

Officials have also recently detained and deported Canadian activist and independent journalist Lauren Southern, who is currently working on a documentary which highlights the apparent persecution of the white minority in South Africa.

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2018/03 ... er-speech/

Bachmann was planning to attend an event at Speakers' Corner and read Martin Sellner’s speech, in German. Today he delivered it on a makeshift speakers' corner in Dresden

[Political Interest]

It's the wrong methodology and this way will lead to communalism. Nationalist parties should be looking to get Muslim support. In other words they should support anti-imperialist causes internationally. All of this nonsense about a clash of civilisations and the inherent contradiction between them is very dangerous. The adoption by the right of Islamophobic ideas is cynical and short sighted. All of the issues with immigration we are seeing today could be solved after a two hour cabinet meeting and a few signatures. There isn't any need for all of this hyperbolic nonsense.

[noir]

There is old style German "far right" esthetic in this video. Lot's of Arians and Bavarian postcard scenes. It's quite dangerous field for British working class movement to enter. Our chav should be careful with his German and Austrian acquaintances

[The Sabbaticus]

It's the wrong methodology and this way will lead to communalism. Nationalist parties should be looking to get Muslim support. In other words they should support anti-imperialist causes internationally. All of this nonsense about a clash of civilisations and the inherent contradiction between them is very dangerous. The adoption by the right of Islamophobic ideas is cynical and short sighted. All of the issues with immigration we are seeing today could be solved after a two hour cabinet meeting and a few signatures. There isn't any need for all of this hyperbolic nonsense.

Thousands of young white British girls have been sacrificed on the altar of multiculturalism. A 'two hour cabinet meeting and a few signatures' will not cut it.

[Political Interest]

Thousands of young white British girls have been sacrificed on the altar of multiculturalism. A 'two hour cabinet meeting and a few signatures' will not cut it.

What does this statement even mean?

You know very well that all of this is happening because the people who sit in cabinet allow it to happen.

They could stop it very easily if they wanted to, but they do not want to.

[Victoribus Spolia]

I'm at a point where I interpret the label "racist" as the person has probably something interesting to say

How true this is.

Anytime I hear "nazi" it just seems to be code for "not-retarded." Except for real nazis....they might be retarded.

But other than that....

[noir]

Euphemism. The word Asian is kept to describe Pakistani, how do you deceive the audiance about a terrorist from Iraq?

Brexit is worth nothing if the old elites will continue to dominate the narrative.