[Steve_American]

The guy is a bonafide idiot
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/25/politics ... m-guns-c...

At least he should have suggested the students do something effective, like buying and wearing kevlar* cloths or bulletproof briefcases & book-bags. And always carry a very handy water balloon with fake blood in it so the shooter will move on and shoot someone else, instead of shooting you again.

. * . Or other body armor.

/sarcasm

[Zagadka]

I agree, we should teach students CPR.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?

[colliric]

The link is broken.

Here it is fixed...
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/03/25/poli ... index.html

Of cause kids should learn CPR and other Emergency Protocols. Be a real idiot to suggest otherwise.

People can die from the shock of just being hit by a bullet you know. They might get shot non-lethally, but they can die from the shock of it too.

Gun Safety does involve knowing CPR incase a non-lethally wounded victim's heart stops from the shock of being shot at.

Santorum is fine. He just said what first came to mind.

[Zagadka]

Most high schools have health classes that include basic first aid.

Suggesting CPR as a solution to gun violence is retarded.

[colliric]

Most high schools have health classes that include basic first aid.

Suggesting CPR as a solution to gun violence is retarded.

It's not a solution, but it's a response skill to if an incident does happen. If a person gets grazed by a bullet (or a bullet otherwise hits them non-lethally) yet their heart stops from the shock, need CPR.

I think he was mainly pointing out how futile the protest to change the law was and how they could do other things to help.

May be a Duck and Cover style teaching, but what the hell it's needed knowledge anyway even for other situations.

Personally think Teachers should have an emergency "Shooter on Campus" alarm button and an emergency plan in their classrooms, but I would also assume you might already have these.

[Steve_American]

Colliric,
We have "Active shooter on campus" drills. So yes, our schools have a plan.

He is not fine. He said learn CPR instead of marching to change the gun laws.
There is almost zero chance that CPR will help a kid save a friend who has been shot's life. CPR is not for when someone is bleeding to death. And how does it help the kids themselves? You can't give yourself CPR. He said kids should protect themselves by learning CPR.

[colliric]

Colliric,
We have "Active shooter on campus" drills. So yes, our schools have a plan.

He is not fine. He said learn CPR instead of marching to change the gun laws.
There is almost zero chance that CPR will help a kid save a friend who has been shot's life. CPR is not for when someone is bleeding to death. And how does it help the kids themselves? You can't give yourself CPR. He said kids should protect themselves by learning CPR.

Fact: Not all gunshots result in a person bleeding to death....

CPR is needed for the people who get shot in non-fatal areas(eg getting grazed by a bullet or shot in the gut) then collapse in shock and their heart stops.

https://www.quora.com/How-would-CPR-hel ... he-abdomen

Anyway most first aid organisations would tell you after a person has been shot(fatal or nonfatal) if you can't feel a pulse, even if the person has already bleed out.... Start CPR as a precaution anyway. It may keep their organs alive and still give them a (however miniscule) chance of survival when the ambulance gets there.

[Steve_American]

Colliric,
Well, I saw this. It seems a lot of doctors in America agree with me.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... 15e627a213

[Stormsmith]

Learning CPR is fine. Sadly, it is only necessary as a response to gun violence. Santorum is a lunatic if he thinks this is going to bring back the dead and restore them to good health. Stopping the shooters before they shoot should be the goal.

This moron has 5 kids.....

[Zagadka]

CPR isn't even a terribly useful skill to deal with gunshot wounds. It doesn't even make sense on any level.

[colliric]

CPR isn't even a terribly useful skill to deal with gunshot wounds. It doesn't even make sense on any level.

It gives the victim a chance (however slim) of survival.....

Of course it makes sense. Better to do it then to just go "oh he's fucked already" when he's only just been shot. Try and stop the bleeding and at the same time try CPR just in case.

If a person has been shot non-lethally then CPR is obviously beneficiary.

[Godstud]

CPR is already not terribly effective(it helps but isn't likely to save lives in all but the most rare circumstances), let alone against gunshot wounds. To suggest it was moronic, to the extreme. It does NOT make sense, as the most likely trauma from a gunshot wound is blood loss. Santorum is a prick and his suggestion was thoughtless and fully in line with the way Republicans are doing things.

[Zagadka]

lol, CPR isn't magic. Chest compressions on people with gunshot wounds doesn't make them better. If you want to actually help, you'd need pressure bandages and immediate surgery. If they are low on blood... that isn't what CPR does, mate.

Maybe his suggestion should be gauze and medical tape dispensers in schools.

Because teaching people how to deal with the aftermath of tragedy is totally more effective than preventing tragedy. It is as dumb as legalizing drunk driving and just telling people to learn CPR.

[colliric]

Chest compressions on people with gunshot wounds doesn't make them better. If you want to actually help, you'd need pressure bandages and immediate surgery. If they are low on blood... that isn't what CPR does, mate.

CPR's main function is too keep the organs alive and recieving oxygen.

CPR doesn't make people better. It keeps their organs recieving some degree of Oxygen so they can not be too damaged when the paramedics arrive with the EMP device. You have to stop the bleeding... But it takes up to 20 minutes for Ambulances to arrive with the EMP and more time to get to the hospital where the "immediate surgery" can actually take place. CPR is nessecery therefore to keep any individual alive in any emergency situation involving heart failure.

One person needs to get the bleeding under control, the second person needs to be doing CPR to keep the oxygen flowing to the organs, third person needs to call for help....

If only one person is there, that person needs to do all three.

You may judge "They're fucked, they've lost too much blood.... God damn it!", but that's up to you, it's called a judgement call. But CPR is needed at the very start to keep the person having a chance of survival.

Fact is you can't have "immediate" surgery... That's got to be done once they're in the Emergency Department..... Surgery is done at the Hospital mate... Paramedics are not magically surgeons able to perform complicated surgery on the spot.... And they usually take 20-30 mins to get there going full speed.

[Zagadka]

CPR's only function is temporarily keeping oxygen bloodflow to the brain to prevent complete shutdown after a heart stops or fails to beat to delay cell death.

It. Isn't. Magic. If you are shot and bleeding out, you are shot and bleeding out. If you have organ damage, those organs will fail. CPR is not terribly likely to help in a mass shooting scenario.

Do you know what the very first rule of field triage is? It is to check if the area is safe to enter. Walking into live fire to give CPR to someone whose heart has already stopped makes two bodies. Unless you are there over them and they are not breathing, bloodflow is the first thing to worry about.

The more retarded thing is that you and your cohorts are defending using CPR as a bandaid for mass shootings.

Everyone should know CPR. It can save lives. In proper scenarios. Like everything else.

Fact is you can't have "immediate" surgery... That's got to be done once they're in the Emergency Department..... Surgery is done at the Hospital mate

Don't be daft. Clearly "immediate" means "as soon as possible".

[colliric]

The more retarded thing is that you and your cohorts are defending using CPR as a bandaid for mass shootings.

No I'm not. You're putting words in my mouth...

So I'm coming at this from a never give up position, so what?

I presume Rick Santorum has the same mindset, so what? Wouldn't be surprised, he's a conservative Catholic that shares the same cool as heck first name! Lol!

Walking into live fire to give CPR to someone whose heart has already stopped makes two bodies

If you don't drag them away from the fire before the CPR, I agree with you. If you can't save someone don't kill yourself trying.

However if they can be removed from the fire without killing yourself... Then CPR the shit out of them!

NEVER GIVE UP!

[Zagadka]

No I'm not. You're putting words in my mouth...

Well, Santorum's. You just repeat his gibberish.

NEVER GIVE UP!

I will never give up finding a way to prevent these disasters whenever possible, and find realistic and helpful responses.

Yea, teach CPR. I don't see how that gets anyone closer to a feasible response to mass shootings. "Teach them to duck" makes more sense.

[colliric]

Well, Santorum's. You just repeat his gibberish.

Dicks defend Dicks!!

Ive always liked Santorum... Wanted him to win the nomination in 2012....

So we have the same first name Richard and are both Catholic.... So what?

[Torus34]

The acceptance of collateral damage from the requirements of the Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America by Mr. Santorum is duly noted.

It gives a secondary meaning to the words, 'Suffer little children ...' [Ed.: Now, that's enough wordplay for one day! Cut it out!]