[skinster]

[noir]

While Russian imperialism is fighting to sustain their overseas bases in Syria, EU still don't get it what the Syrian civil war is all about.

Russian and Shia axis propaganda lays heaviliy on Christian community to sell their narrative, ignoring the resistence of the Sunni majority to Alawite (sect of Shia) minority rule.

[Rich]

Russian and Shia axis propaganda lays heaviliy on Christian community to sell their narrative, ignoring the resistence of the Sunni majority to Alawite (sect of Shia) minority rule.

Indeed and of course the Assad leftie (and in some cases far right) fanbois (and fangirlies) have tried to use the fact that many high ranking Sunni officers and officials stayed loyal to the regime to pretend its not a sectarian based regime. Duh! Of course the Assad regime has tried to disguise its sectarian nature as much as possible, putting Sunni Arabs into prominent prestigious positions while ensuring that the key security position are in the hands of Alawites and that Alawites dominate the most successful businesses.

I've also no doubt that many of the prominent Sunni Arabs that did jump early in the rebellion came to regret it, when they ended up as impoverished powerless exiles that no one was listening to. Regimes like Assad and Saddam's aren't merely sectarian but usually rely for their base on particular clans with in the minority ethnic community. The enrichment of the Assad regime and its core base were resented by many Alawites never mind Syria's other ethnicities. It was even worse in Iraq. Saddam was loathed even by most of Iraq's Sunni Arabs.

[noir]

@Atlantis doesn't see the Russian game as imperialist, but if we want to know why they are fighting there, we should see the facts beyond the imperialists motives of the various parties. In social media, one can exposes to the enormous effort of the Russian propaganda. They are trying to prove the recent chemical attak was hoax, a Syriawood, but what about the half million deads?

[noir]

Here in this thread severeal posters used the same clip of the British military man suspecting the British government line, probably a success of the Russian cyber propaganda to spread it the message they want.


https://www.infowars.com/uk-gov-guardia ... ssian-bot/

Establishment trying to discredit anti-war figures

Here’s how the state stenographers at The Guardian reported the news (which they’ve refused to correct for two days):

Russia used trolls and bots to unleash disinformation on to social media in the wake of the Salisbury poisoning, according to fresh Whitehall analysis. Government sources said experts had uncovered an increase of up to 4,000% in the spread of propaganda from Russia-based accounts since the attack,– many of which were identifiable as automated bots.

Theresa May highlighted the cyber-threat from Russia in her Mansion House speech earlier this year, telling the Kremlin: “I have a very simple message for Russia. We know what you are doing. And you will not succeed.”

But civil servants identified a sharp increase in the flow of fake news after the Salisbury poisoning, which continued in the runup to the airstrikes on Syria.
One bot, @Ian56789, was sending 100 posts a day during a 12-day period from 7 April, and reached 23 million users, before the account was suspended. It focused on claims that the chemical weapons attack on Douma had been falsified, using the hashtag #falseflag. Another, @Partisangirl, reached 61 million users with 2,300 posts over the same 12-day period.
…May said afterwards: “Russia is using cyber as part of a wider effort to undermine the international system. This disinformation campaign is not just aimed at social media and the UK – it is intended to undermine the actual institutions and processes of the rules-based system, such as the Organisation for the Prevention of Chemical Weapons. We must do all we can at every turn to challenge this.”
The state not being allowed to lie people into war with total impunity is undermining our “international system.”
The other “bot,” Ian56789, also went on Sky News to refute the government’s claims (his account was evidently later unsuspended).

Our governments are now openly using the “Russian bots” narrative to quash dissent and the pathetic “liberals” in “The Resistance” are cheering it on.

Listening to Ian in SkyNews one gets the impression that he really believes in his "anti war" message but the fact is his account "was sending 100 posts a day during a 12-day period from 7 April, and reached 23 million users", meanng there is a poweful government agency who uses these fellow travalers (useful idiots, as Lenin called them). Making the Russian propaganda machine extremly efficient.

One bot, @Ian56789, was sending 100 posts a day during a 12-day period from 7 April, and reached 23 million users, before the account was suspended. It focused on claims that the chemical weapons attack on Douma had been falsified, using the hashtag #falseflag.

[skinster]

MSM Is Frantically Attacking Dissenting Syria Narratives, And It Looks Really Bad

[noir]

More sophisticated Russian propaganda. It works!

[noir]

Russian "anti imperialist" imperialist propaganda

RT

[noir]

[Decky]

[noir]

Lenin used to call them "useful idiots"

[noir]

@Decky, whether it's Israel directly or God (aka Mossad) on behalf of Israel, we don't know. But the British historian, David Pryce-Jones, wrote 27 years ago about very similiar civil war with very similiar accusation. The Lebanese Civil War (1975-1991)

The Salisbury Review, June 1991.


Tho Salisbury Review The Gulf War raised many questions - not the least being that of the loyalties of those who reported it. As David Pryce-Jones demonstrates, Robert Fisk - the most influential, if not the most intelligent, of our Middle Eastern correspondents - treated his readers to wild predictions, eccentric observations, and judgements calculated to undermine the conviction and morale of the allied armies. In this he was only applying to the Gulf the formulae that he had perfected in the Lebanon: ridiculing Western attempts at self-assertion, relentlessly exposing the weakness and corruption of our allies and sympathisers, and crowning his chosen 'victims' (usually Palestinians) with a martyr's halo. Throughout the crisis such 'experts' as Fisk could be found on the thrones of public opinion, broadcasting their subversive propaganda to the world, and laughingly dismissing all rival opinions as the selfserving fantasies of Western power.

In Beirut since 1976, for The Times and later for The Independent, this particular clerk or priest sought to refine his vocation. His experience as a reporter in the Middle East has been resumed in Pity the Nation, a book he published in 1990. In its preface, he has a conceit about the journalist 'at the edge of history' as a man might sit on the lip of a smoking volcano, recording 'as honestly as we can'. Far from following this pontification, on the page Fisk is busy selecting whatever helps to build some case according to his temperamental and moral preconceptions, whether or not the facts fit. Over the last fifteen years Lebanon has disintegrated from a democracy, albeit imperfect, into a free-for-all whereby its several religious or ethnic communities have withdrawn from such agreed arrangements as existed, each into his own identity. Each seeks to survive at the expense of the others, and all employ the same means of offence and defence. However regrettable it may be, moral distinctions between the communities are vain and irrelevant. This is customary or tribal warfare, and it illustrates the central dilemma of Arab politics today. No political structures or institutional mechanisms exist to permit some form of power-sharing, with pluralism and rights, and in the best case, democracy. To the strong the spoils, as ever, and to the weak dispossession, flight and finally massacre. The Lebanese plight is to be found in reality or in potential in every Arab country, all of them despotisms where one man and his kind hold power at the expense of everyone else. Unwillingness to address this central dilemma makes Pity the Nation tendentious to the point of untruthfulness. Ever the adversary, ever the priest on the trail of wickedness, Fisk ignores the defective structure of Arab politics by laying the blame for everything on foreign intervention, primarily American and Israeli. The pretence that such intervention is the cause of present troubles - rather than yet another effect of them - opens the way to moral hysteria against the West. Fisk never notices how condescending it is to depict Arabs as people without a decisive say in their own affairs, not agents but only passive objects of others.

[Sivad]

Lenin used to call them "useful idiots"

You should be encouraging them, noir. If their cause is antiimperialism then their idiocy is completely counterproductuctive. I wish they would stop and go away because it only hurts the antiwar movement to be associated these with pro-regime flakes.

[noir]

The war is about Russian (overseas bases) and Iranian (Shia hegemony) imperialism.

[Sivad]

The war is about Russian (overseas bases) and Iranian (Shia hegemony) imperialism.

It's a war for dominance within the region. The people living in region are fucked regardless of which coalition holds sway.

[noir]

What fascinating is how smooth and perfect is the Syrian propaganda. Tring to figure what makes it tick.

[noir]

What makes it tick? Probably the churches which whitewahe any Arab and Muslim crime in a secret war against their common enemy


In 2009, Melanie Philips wrote about the alliance between the Anglicans and the Islamists. Few of them visited this week in Syria in propaganda tour. They are fighting Israeli "apartheid" on belalf of Islamic and Arab apartheid.

Spoiler: show

Beware the new axis of evangelicals and Islamists

by Melanie Phillips

Wednesday, 4th March 2009

Spectator magazine (UK)

http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magaz...slamists.thtml


Last weekend the Revd Stephen Sizer, vicar of Christ Church, Virginia Water appeared at an anti-Israel meeting with an Islamist called Ismail Patel. Patel has not only accused Israel of ‘genocide’ and ‘war crimes’ but considers Disney to be a Jewish plot and supports Hamas, Iran and Syria.

Sizer is a virulent opponent of Christian Zionism and of Israel, which he has said he hopes will disappear just as did the apartheid regime in South Africa. He has also applauded Iranian President Ahmadinejad for having ‘looked forward to the day when Zionism ceased to exist’. Nevertheless, the appearance of an Anglican churchman on a pro-Islamist platform in Britain is a new and significant development. The Church of England recently banned its clergy from joining the BNP; should it not equally ban them from siding with the forces of Islamofascism?

Sizer’s participation, however, must be seen in the context of a disturbing realignment in the services of the forces of darkness against the free world: the emergence of an axis between a body of evangelicals, the hard left, the Islamists — and the far right.

Last July, a discreet meeting was held by a group of influential Anglican evangelicals to co-ordinate a new church approach towards Islam. The meeting was convened by Bryan Knell, head of the missionary organisation Global Connections, and others from a group calling itself Christian Responses to Islam in Britain. The 22 participants, who met at All Nations Christian College in Ware, Hertfordshire, were sworn to secrecy. The aim of the meeting was to develop the ‘grace approach to Islam’, which ‘tries to let Muslims interpret Islam rather than telling them what their religion teaches’. The meeting had in its sights those ‘aggressive’ Christians who were ‘increasing the level of fear’ in many others by talking about the threat posed by radical Islam.

The aim was thus to discredit and stifle those Christians who warn against the Islamisation of Britain and Islam’s threat to the church. Those who do so include the Bishop of Rochester, Michael Nazir-Ali, the Africa specialist Baroness Cox, the Islam expert Dr Patrick Sookhdeo and the Maranatha Ministry. A few weeks ago, Dr Sookhdeo became a spectacular victim of precisely such a discrediting process. Dr Sookhdeo, an Anglican canon, a Muslim convert and one of this country’s premier authorities on Islam, runs the Barnabas Fund, an aid agency helping persecuted Christians. He has written many books about Islam of which the latest is Global Jihad: The Future in the Face of Militant Islam.

In January the website of Fulcrum, an evangelical group, carried a review of Global Jihad by Ben White, a frequent contributor to the Guardian. His review rubbished Sookhdeo’s scholarship on the grounds that he had identified a theological problem with Islam when Islamic aggression was rooted instead in global grievances, particularly the existence and behaviour of Israel. To cap a farrago of ignorance and historical illiteracy, White tried to damn Sookhdeo by association, citing ‘hard-line conservatives and pro-Israel right-wingers’ who endorsed his work as proof that Sookhdeo was beyond the pale.

White then drew his review to the attention of a blogger, Islamist and Muslim convert called Indigo Jo. On his website, Indigo Jo anathematised Sookhdeo as the ‘Sookhdevil’. This attack was reproduced on various other Islamist websites and Sookhdeo has received a death threat as a result.

...

It is a sobering fact that such a subscriber to anti-Jewish prejudice should be so influential in the church. And such thinking has many followers, including Stephen Sizer. ‘The covenant between Jews and God,’ he has written, ‘was conditional on their respect for human rights. The reason they were expelled from the land was that they were more interested in money and power and treated the poor and aliens with contempt’. And he has denied validity to Judaism itself saying: ‘to suggest ...that the Jewish people continue to have a special relationship with God, apart from faith in Jesus ...is, in the words of [the leading Anglican evangelical] John Stott, “biblically anathema”.’

And now look at other groups with which Sizer is making common cause in his hatred of Israel and the Jews. He has given interviews to, endorsed or forwarded material from American white supremacists and Holocaust deniers. Last year, he sent an article printed in the Palestine Chronicle about the alleged influence of ‘Israel in Washington’ through ‘powerful overtly Jewish Washington organisations and, increasingly, through Christian Zionist organisations’ to an appreciative Martin Webster, the former leader of the neo-Nazi National Front.

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Many will be deeply shocked that the Church of England harbours individuals with such attitudes. But the church hierarchy is unlikely to act against them. Extreme hostility towards Israel is the default position among bishops and archbishops; while the establishment line is to reach out towards Islam in an attempt to accommodate and appease it. With Christians around the world suffering forced conversion, ethnic cleansing and murder at Islamist hands, the church utters not a word of protest. Instead, inter-faith dialogue is the order of the day, with Canon Graham Kings — the theological secretary of Fulcrum, no less — a key player in Anglican inter-faith work. And now Israel’s war against Hamas has had a pivotal effect. There is now a widespread sense that Israel must finally be defeated once and for all — and then the Islamists will calm down.

It is horrifying that so many in the church should be preaching against the victims of Jew-hatred and Islamist violence and seeking to accommodate those who stand for the persecution of Christians, the destruction of western and Christian values and the genocide of the Jews. It is horrifying that the church is providing a platform for the dissemination of lies about Israel and ancient theological bigotry against the Jews. And it is horrifying that it contains people who are not just virulently hostile towards Israel but also towards anyone who supports it.

Given the common but no less odious view that British Jews who support Israel are guilty of ‘dual loyalty’, it would seem that the church is truly supping with the devil and setting the stage for a repeat of an ancient tragedy.

[noir]

Islamic Christian axis.

https://www.christianstogether.net/Arti ... mists.aspx

http://www.bibleandlife.org/Newsletters ... 2013_3.pdf

[skinster]

The war is about Russian (overseas bases) and Iranian (Shia hegemony) imperialism.

Not really. The Russians and Iranians are Syria's allies and were invited by the Syrian government in its defence of its country. The US, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Jordan, Turkey, France, Britain etc. were not invited and are violating international law by being in or sending moderate - sectarian head-chopping - rebels to fight war on secular Syria.

The lies/propaganda on Syria have been exposed, this isn't 2013, the truth is out there and you have no excuse not to know it. Obviously I mean that for normal people, rather than propagandist-spammers, but that's by the by...