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Trump: "It's just like Teddy Roosevelt said. You know, many people don't know that he was a Republican. But he always said, and I hear many people say, 'Shout loudly and carry a big stick and bang that stick against things so that people know that you don't understand the stick or the ramifications of using the stick.'"

The rest of the world:
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@skinster

how can you expect Israel to trust this deal?

"The nuclear program of Iran with its potential to develop nuclear weapons, together with the anti-Israel rhetoric of the President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and his desire for "the regime occupying Jerusalem" to "vanish from the pages of time," has led many Israelis to fear an eventual attack from Iran.[162][163]

In a May 2012 speech to a defense gathering in Tehran, Iran's Military Chief of Staff declared: "The Iranian nation is standing for its cause and that is the full annihilation of Israel."[164]

In August 2012, Brigadier General Gholam Reza Jalali, who heads Iran's Passive Defense Organization, said ahead of Al-Quds Day that Israel must be destroyed, saying, "[Al-Quds Day] is a reflection of the fact that no other way exists apart from resolve and strength to completely eliminate the aggressive nature and to destroy Israel."[41][118][119]

In August 2012, a senior cleric and Tehran's provisional Friday Prayers Leader Ayatollah Ahmad Khatami, speaking about Qods Day, called for the annihilation of the "Zionist regime," emphasizing that the spread of the "Islamic Awakening" in the Middle East "heralds annihilation of the Zionist regime."[117]

Iran's repeated threats against Israel, particularly in 2012, led Canada, a close ally of Israel, to close its embassy in Iran on September 7, 2012, giving Iranian diplomats 5 days to leave Canada.

On 21 September, at a military parade in Iran to mark the beginning of the Iran–Iraq War, and in which a new air defense system was unveiled, Amir Ali Hajizadeh, the Iranian air force chief, said that should a conflict between Iran and Israel break out, Israel would "manage the beginning of the war, but the response and end would be in our hands, in which case the Zionist entity would cease to exist. The number of missiles launched would be more than the Zionists could imagine."[165]

On 22 September, General Mohammad Ali Jafari, the commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards, said that eventually a war with Israel would break out, during which Iran would eradicate Israel, which he referred to as a "cancerous tumor."[120]

On 23 September, Hajizadeh threatened to attack Israel and trigger World War III, saying that "it is possible that we will make a pre-emptive attack" which would "turn into World War III." In the same statement, Hajizadeh threatened to attack American bases in the Middle East as well. Hajizadeh said that as a result of this attack, Israel would "sustain heavy damage and that will be a prelude to its obliteration."[166] On the same day, Deputy Commander of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards Brigadier General Hossein Salami said that while Iran isn't concerned by Israeli "threats" to strike Iranian nuclear facilities, such an attack would be "a historic opportunity for the Islamic Revolution to wipe them off the world's geographic history."[167]

On 2 October 2012, Hojjat al-Eslam Ali Shirazi, the representative of Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei to the Iranian Qods Force, alleged that Iran required only "24 hours and an excuse" in order to eradicate Israel. Shirazi alleged that Israel was "close to annihilation," and allegedly sought to attack Iran out of desperation.[168]

Iran's actions, nuclear program, and threats have been viewed by Dr. Gregory Stanton, the founder and director of Genocide Watch, as having taken 6 out of 8 steps on the "path to genocide." Stanton urged the international community to take action against Iran and to isolate it, in order to "curb its genocidal intent." He said that "one of the best predictors of genocide is incitement to genocide ... and I believe that is exactly what Iran is doing today." Incitement to genocide is a crime under international law. He stressed that it is important not to dismiss "the early signs" as "diabolical rhetoric or as a tactic meant to advance a different goal," and doing so would "enable the perpetrators." Stanton also said that Iran has classified and symbolized Israel via hate speech and an ideology of exclusion, and has dehumanized Israel by portraying potential victim as "cancer" that should be wiped out. In addition, Stanton said that Iran has organized "fanatical militas," such as the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, while stifling dissent in Iranian society. He added that by denying a previous genocide, the Holocaust, by working on weapons of mass destruction, and through global terrorism, Iran has prepared for genocide.[169]

In January 2013, Iran warned that any Israeli attack on Syria would be treated the same as an attack on Iran.[170] After Israel attacked Syria, Iran simply stated that Israel would "regret this recent aggression".[171]

In March 2015, the commander of the Basij militia of Iran's Revolutionary Guards said that "erasing Israel off the map is not negotiable."[172]"
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Of course Israel, which has 200 nuclear warheads of its own and one of the world's most advanced militaries - plus the full backing of the United States of America - is a cowering victim in the face of big bad Iran. The poor darlings. The rest of the world's countries should drop everything and disregard their own interests to make sure you feel extra special.
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Ending the Nuclear Deal was the right thing to do, the deal was atrocious specially when you take in count Muslims think suicide, Jihad and imploding things and people is holy, such people can't have access to weapons of mass destruction. On the other hand, sanctioning Iran is unnecessary and a mistake. Should just pull out of the deal and let destiny bankrupt Iran.
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Heisenberg wrote:Of course Israel, which has 200 nuclear warheads of its own and one of the world's most advanced militaries - plus the full backing of the United States of America - is a cowering victim in the face of big bad Iran. The poor darlings. The rest of the world's countries should drop everything and disregard their own interests to make sure you feel extra special.


You can't compare Israel or any other non Muslim country having nukes. Is quite simple and obvious the only country capable to throw a nuke even if that threated their own existence is a Islamic country. Muslims suicide themselves around the world for the Pedo prophet and their crazy Jihads. Such group of people should never have access to nukes...never.

Obama made the move and Iran occupied Syria and is using Syria as a pawn in their pathetic attempt to attack Israel. Truth is, this mess is all on Obama and david Cameron and whoever signed that mess of a deal
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Iran isn't occupying Syria, Iran was invited to Syria. Israel on the other hand, when are they going to give the Golan Heights back? :excited:

Zionist Nationalist wrote:@skinster

how can you expect Israel to trust this deal?


Post a link if you're going to quote something.

As for what Israel trusts, however the US/Europe etc. choose to relate with Iran is their business and they have common interests...and frankly, Israeli politicians should be hanged for war crimes, not running around lecturing the world to join in on their warmongering on Iran.



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Oh the irony that in his announcement of pulling the US out of the JCPOA, Trump refers to the talks with North Korea. Calling the Iranian regime mad and yet going to Korea to talk with Kim Jong Un. I guess nuclear deterrence after all really works, perhaps Iran should get nukes for the sake of peace in the ME.
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Trump wants to give the impression that war is inevitable with Iran, but it's not. He's only making Israel and Saudi Arabia happy. He's breaking treaties left and right. USA is going to suffer for his actions. No one will trust the asshole to keep any treaty or deal.

Trump til 2028? @annatar1914 you know nothing about the American Presidency, do you?
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Godstud wrote:Trump wants to give the impression that war is inevitable with Iran, but it's not. He's only making Israel and Saudi Arabia happy. He's breaking treaties left and right. USA is going to suffer for his actions. No one will trust the asshole to keep any treaty or deal.

Trump til 2028? @annatar1914 you know nothing about the American Presidency, do you?


I know plenty about the American Presidency, GS, being an American myself. Just watch and remember what I said, that President Trump will be around until at least 2028. If i'm wrong I'm wrong. I am a Socialist and thus I don't personalize what's going on, I have an objective perspective that others lack. I do not engage in wishful thinking, and have reasons why I say the things I do.
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Presidents in the US can only serve 2 terms, maximum. That means, even if Trump were to win in 2020, he can only stay til 2024. I'm not American, and I know that.

Hopefully, old age will claim him long before then, but... only the good die young, so maybe not.
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