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noir is now daf. :?:

Black Cube: Inside the shadowy Israeli firm accused of trying to undermine the Iran deal

Ter wrote:Iran is playing a pernicious and dangerous game, infiltrating Yemen, Iraq, Syria and Lebanon either directly or though proxies. This can and will not end well for Iran.


:lol:

Zionist Nationalist wrote:Houthis want to take over all of Yemen why should Saudia allow that?


Houthis ARE Yemenis and they have every right to defend their country from Saudi aggression. Saudis have no right to Yemen and should get the fuck out. :)

Hezbollah are terrorists who just poke Israel whenever they feel like its the right time or whenever they receive such orders from Iran


Hezbollah became an org because of Israeli terrorism in Lebanon. They beat the Israelis out of their country tho so yay.

its part of Iranian constitution to spread the Islamic revolution abroad


Perhaps you're confused with Saudi Arabia - your ally in the region - spreading Wahabi Islam abroad.

Iran is an aggressive country and will remain so as long as its being ruled by an expansionist Islamic theocracy


lol okay settler dude living in Israel, the most violent state in the region. :D
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IamOver wrote:the pyromaniac diplomacy of trump will be a big disaster, the nakba, the promise of the mexico wall, syria atrocity ....

The hookers, the crooked lawyers, the fast food, it just goes on and on …

"Iamover," Over what? indulged, that bastard, 18 ?

Zam ;)
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Godstud wrote::lol: Trump doesn't even know what diplomacy is. Rodman might be more diplomatic, if you want to be honest, about it.


Liberal view on diplomacy is that everyone is an unfortunate inferior and therefore we should treat them as superiors and give them everything they ask for. We should do this because we are morally superior to everyone else, but it is fun to pretend they are morally superior due to their inferiority.
That is the best I can make from their lunacy.
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one degree wrote:Liberal view on diplomacy is that everyone is an unfortunate inferior and therefore we should treat them as superiors and give them everything they ask for. We should do this because we are morally superior to everyone else, but it is fun to pretend they are morally superior due to their inferiority.
That is the best I can make from their lunacy.
:roll: So no argument, just name-calling. Should I expect this from all Conservatives, because they are incapable of coming up with an argument that isn't ignorant, racist, and hate-filled?

Really, diplomacy not about throwing your threats and arrogance around, and I'd expect even someone with your mediocre intelligence to know that.
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Godstud wrote::roll: So no argument, just name-calling. Should I expect this from all Conservatives, because they are incapable of coming up with an argument that isn't ignorant, racist, and hate-filled?

Really, diplomacy not about throwing your threats and arrogance around, and I'd expect even someone with your mediocre intelligence to know that.


‘Gunboat Diplomacy’. Thanks for demonstrating the truth of how liberals view diplomacy as I described.
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:lol: "Gunboat" diplomacy is called as such, because it's actually not diplomacy. It's a threat.

Gun Boat diplomacy refers to the pursuit of foreign policy objectives with the aid of conspicuous displays of naval power – implying or constituting a direct threat of warfare, should terms not be agreeable to the superior force.

Diplomacy: the art of dealing with people in a sensitive and effective way.

Can you now see the irony, or is it too fucking obvious?
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Godstud wrote::lol: "Gunboat" diplomacy is called as such, because it's actually not diplomacy. It's a threat.

Gun Boat diplomacy refers to the pursuit of foreign policy objectives with the aid of conspicuous displays of naval power – implying or constituting a direct threat of warfare, should terms not be agreeable to the superior force.

Diplomacy: the art of dealing with people in a sensitive and effective way.

Can you now see the irony, or is it too fucking obvious?


I bolded your irony. You give a definition of diplomacy that clearly shows your idealism has no connection to the pragmatism necessary for intelligent diplomacy of self interest. Your belief that diplomacy is suppose to be all sweetness and understanding is just more justification of my original comment on liberal irrationality. Your views continue to be so far removed from reality that it seems meaningless to try to engage you in any meaningful debate.
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Your reading comprehension is very poor.

Sensitive AND effective, was part of the definition. It was not sensitive OR effective.

One Degree wrote:Your belief that diplomacy is suppose to be all sweetness and understanding is just more justification of my original comment on liberal irrationality.
I am going by the definition. If you don't like the definition, then you're the one being unreasonable. How is it that reason and logic are beyond the current crop of Conservatives?

One Degree wrote:Your views continue to be so far removed from reality that it seems meaningless to try to engage you in any meaningful debate.
:lol: You're the one who doesn't like the definition of a word, and so decides to scream, "LIBERALS!!", like a frightened child. Words have meanings, even if you don't choose to like them.

Trump is not a person who knows anything about diplomacy. This is backed by his words and actions. If you can't see this, then it's only due to willful ignorance.
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Yes, I know you are going by a definition instead of making any attempt to understand real world diplomacy. Trump appears to be ahead in every diplomatic confrontation, but you think he is failing because he is not being nice. Lol
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Godstud wrote:Trump is not a person who knows anything about diplomacy. This is backed by his words and actions. If you can't see this, then it's only due to willful ignorance.

Or inebriation … Trump has put his foot in it again with the G-7 thing and then run off to avoid defending himself. I'm afraid he's headed for another of his "empty victories" in Singapore. He seems to be relying on "instinct" rather than any comprehensive proposal. He doesn't think so, but in reality he has put himself entirely at Kim's mercy.

Prepare yourselves. Batten down the hatches, practice believing in 3 unbelievable things every morning before breakfast, lay in a stock of tranquilizers to avoid doing a "Mika."

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Zamuel wrote:Or inebriation … Trump has put his foot in it again with the G-7 thing and then run off to avoid defending himself. I'm afraid he's headed for another of his "empty victories" in Singapore. He seems to be relying on "instinct" rather than any comprehensive proposal. He doesn't think so, but in reality he has put himself entirely at Kim's mercy.


He always does that. When he gets out off a meeting, he feels all torn up inside because he didn't get what he wanted. Then he keeps on turning it around in his head while the resentment eats him up. Finally, after falling into some sleep-induced stupor, he fires off some tweets from his bedroom (or airforce 1) to insult everybody and renege on everything that was agreed.

And here he did it again:

Trump bashes Trudeau as 'very dishonest and weak' as G7 agreement crumbles

LA MALBAIE, Que. -- Leaders of the G7 alliance produced a carefully crafted communique Saturday that struck a fragile consensus on difficult issues like Russia and trade -- only to have Donald Trump rescind his support after the fact.

Just hours after agreeing to the joint communique with his G7 allies, the U.S. president tweeted from his plane that he had told his officials to abandon American support for the document in an eye-opening move that could threaten the future of the club.

He blamed the summit's host: Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.

"Based on Justin's false statements at his news conference, and the fact that Canada is charging massive Tariffs to our U.S. farmers, workers and companies, I have instructed our U.S. Reps not to endorse the Communique as we look at Tariffs on automobiles flooding the U.S. Market!" Trump wrote in one tweet.

Trump followed it up with a second post that targeted Canada's auto and dairy industries: "PM Justin Trudeau of Canada acted so meek and mild during our @G7 meetings only to give a news conference after I left saying that, 'US Tariffs were kind of insulting' and he 'will not be pushed around.' Very dishonest & weak. Our Tariffs are in response to his of 270% on dairy!"

The tweets resumed the president's attacks on what he had been describing in the leadup to the summit as Canada's unfair trade policies.

They also stepped up Trump's assault on Trudeau himself -- unprecedented in the neighbouring countries' longstanding relationship.

In response, Trudeau's spokesman said the federal government was focused on what was accomplished at the summit.

"The prime minister said nothing he hasn't said before -- both in public and in private conversations with the President," said spokesman Cameron Ahmad.

Later in the evening, during a pre-scheduled photo op, Trudeau was asked about Trump's late tweets about the communique and whether the development could have an impact on the future of the G7.

Trudeau, who was walking on a path near the summit site with Argentinian President Mauricio Macri, declined to answer the questions.

"Good to see you guys," Trudeau said to journalists as he walked past. "It's a beautiful evening, a great weekend."

Heading into the leaders' summit in the Quebec town of La Malbaie, there were deep concerns the G7 was fast becoming a G6 plus one because of a widening gulf between the U.S. and the rest of the group in key areas such as climate and trade.

The group could now be facing an existential crisis. Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe -- a veteran of seven G7 leaders' meetings -- said the Charlevoix summit featured heated exchanges, the likes of which he has never seen.

Before Trump's late-day tirade issued after he left the country, the exclusive club produced a communique exposing other areas of discord.

The document showed the group of rich, developed nations remained divided in the crucial area of protecting the planet from climate change -- and it gave a clear statement that the United States remained the outlier.

The other six G7 nations reiterated their support for the Paris agreement on climate change and acknowledged they would have to continue their fight without the U.S.

But in his closing news conference, Trudeau argued the two-day event was a success.

Trudeau highlighted what he saw as one of the Quebec summit's most-important results. Earlier in the day, G7 countries announced they had raised more than $3.8 billion in an effort with other countries to send the world's poorest girls to school.

"This is what a G7 is supposed to be about -- all of us pulling together and doing things that matter for our citizens and for the world," Trudeau said.

"And on that, this was certainly a success."

Trudeau said the G7 had agreed to an "ambitious" communique, but he acknowledged the leaders left La Malbaie without significantly transforming Trump's increasingly confrontational approach to trade.

Trump angered his G7 allies last week by slapping them with hefty tariffs on steel and aluminium -- a move that prompted Canada and the European Union to threaten duties of their own. During his time in La Malbaie, the U.S. president refused to back down. He has threatened similar action against the auto industry.

"There are always other things we can work on," Trudeau said.

"It's true, we didn't fix all of the planet's problems this weekend in Charlevoix. But we moved things forward in a significant way to build a consensus around many big issues that we were called on to address together."

On trade, the group managed to find some compromise language in the short-lived communique.

The document said the countries underlined the "crucial role" of a rules-based international trading system and the need to continue to fight protectionism. They also noted the importance of "bilateral, regional and plurilateral agreements being open, transparent, inclusive and WTO-consistent."

The G7 also committed to working to ensure they complement the multilateral trade agreements and to modernize the WTO to make it more fair as soon as possible, the document said.

All seven countries agreed to a joint statement on artificial intelligence, global trade, middle class growth, innovation, girls' education, and defending democracies from foreign intrusions.

On climate, however, all G7 members except the U.S. said they support the Paris agreement. The remaining six members promised they "will promote the fight against climate change through collaborative partnerships and work with all relevant partners."

Trudeau said five of the G7 countries agreed to a plastics charter to further protect the environment and oceans. Canadian officials explained that the United States and Japan did not sign on because they did not want to commit to firm targets to reduce plastics.

"The president will continue to say what he says at various occasions," Trudeau said.

"What we did this weekend, was come together, roll up our sleeves and figure out consensus language that we could all agree to on a broad range of issues."

Trump also raised eyebrows by urging the G7 to once again become a G8 by bringing Russia back into the fold.

But Trudeau said he told Trump that he had no desire to see Russia readmitted to the G7.

"It is not something we are even remotely interested in looking at, at this time," he said.

In the communique, the G7 said it planned to take action against Russian election meddling in Western countries.


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Based on Justin’s false statements at his news conference, and the fact that Canada is charging massive Tariffs to our U.S. farmers, workers and companies, I have instructed our U.S. Reps not to endorse the Communique as we look at Tariffs on automobiles flooding the U.S. Market!

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PM Justin Trudeau of Canada acted so meek and mild during our @G7 meetings only to give a news conference after I left saying that, “US Tariffs were kind of insulting” and he “will not be pushed around.” Very dishonest & weak. Our Tariffs are in response to his of 270% on dairy!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 9, 2018


Trump is a diplomat's nightmare. They have to mope up after him. It's probably just as well that most experienced diplomats have left and Trump has surrounded himself with yes-men.

Abe must have been in physical pain during the summit. Consensus-oriented Japanese can't handle verbal confrontations.

Trump: "Based on Justin's false statements ..."

By personally attacking an allied statesmen with accusations of lying, Trump will go down in history as the president who has introduced Internet trolling to diplomacy.

After that, it won't be possible to lower the bar any further. They'll have to resort to fist fights.
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Zagadka wrote:War won't happen because, while the US is throwing a little tantrum, Iran will still be following the deal with Europe, anyway. All that happens is the US becoming irrelevant.


If it were that easy. European companies that have invested billions in the US, won't want to risk that investment to earn a few millions in Iran.

To go against US sanctions is only possible for companies that don't have a substantial presence on the US market.

Will that be enough to help Iran economically while the US is tightening the screws? I doubt it. It'll force Iran further into the Russian and Chinese camp.

Iran will probably start enriching uranium again and put more efforts into its missile program.
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