[danholo]

wow, this conflict is just too absurd...

https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conf ... ath-561280

[noir]

wow, this conflict is just too absurd...

https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conf ... ath-561280

"This incident extends beyond the personal case of Abu Thurayya," the report concluded. "It demonstrates a propagandist mechanism of staging the injuring and killing of a person who eagerly anticipates his martyrdom and views it positively as his contribution to a campaign against the Jewish state."

The sickiest cause history has ever seen.

[colliric]

The sickiest cause history has ever seen.

....on both sides.

https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conf ... 561348/amp

[noir]

Human Rights

Palestinians Beat Female Journalists; World "Sees No Evil"

[skinster]

^ The Islamophobic Gatestone Institute

As I said, you may as well post Mark Regev shit because it amounts to the same level of hasbara as the sources you're using.

Anyway, back to the actual topic of the thread:

Snipers ordered to shoot children, Israeli general confirms
An Israeli general has confirmed that when snipers stationed along Israel’s boundary with Gaza shoot at children, they are doing so deliberately, under clear and specific orders.

In a radio interview, Brigadier-General (Reserve) Zvika Fogel describes how a sniper identifies the “small body” of a child and is given authorization to shoot.

Fogel’s statements could be used as evidence of intent if Israeli leaders are ever tried for war crimes at the International Criminal Court.
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/al ... l-confirms

[Suntzu]

Palestinian men have proven to be feeble. Might as well try the women.

[skinster]

Palestinian women suffer as much as their men. Plus, Palestinians only have their bodies to resist with, unlike the Israelis, they don't have any army or weapons or fighter jets or guns....the weapons they do have are mainly "terror" kites and fire-cracker rockets that hardly put a dent on Israel, plus these people, men and women and children in Gaza, are imprisoned in a concentration camp, which is the reason for their resistance.

[skinster]

[LaDexter]

Helping to re-create "Israel" in 1948 was the biggest error in US history. We should terminate that error ASAP. We were warned, and we didn't heed... from someone with absolute credibility....


https://rense.com/general59/ein.htm

Einstein Letter Warning Of
Zionist Fascism In Israel
Letter That Albert Einstein Sent to the New York Times
1948, Protesting the Visit of Menachem Begin
11-1-4



Letters to the Editor
New York Times
December 4, 1948

TO THE EDITORS OF THE NEW YORK TIMES:

Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.

The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughoutthe world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin's political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents.


Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin's behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement. The public avowals of Begin's party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future.

Attack on Arab Village

A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants ? 240men, women, and children - and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin. The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party.

Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model. During the last years of sporadic anti-British violence, the IZL and Stern groups inaugurated a reign of terror in the Palestine Jewish community. Teachers were beaten up for speaking against them, adults were shot for not letting their children join them. By gangster methods, beatings, window-smashing, and wide-spread robberies, the terrorists intimidated the population and exacted a heavy tribute.

The people of the Freedom Party have had no part in the constructive achievements in Palestine. They have reclaimed no land, built no settlements, and only detracted from the Jewish defense activity. Their much-publicized immigration endeavors were minute, and devoted mainly to bringing in Fascist compatriots.

Discrepancies Seen

The discrepancies between the bold claims now being made by Begin and his party, and their record of past performance in Palestine bear the imprint of no ordinary political party. This is the unmistakable stamp of a Fascist party for whom terrorism (against Jews, Arabs, and British alike), and misrepresentation are means, and a "Leader State" is the goal.

In the light of the foregoing considerations, it is imperative that the truth about Mr. Begin and his movement be made known in this country. It is all the more tragic that the top leadership of American Zionism has refused to campaign against Begin's efforts, or even to expose to its own constituents the dangers to Israel from support to Begin.

The undersigned therefore take this means of publicly presenting a few salient facts concerning Begin and his party; and of urging all concerned not to support this latest manifestation of fascism.

ISIDORE ABRAMOWITZ
HANNAH ARENDT
ABRAHAM BRICK
RABBI JESSURUN CARDOZO
ALBERT EINSTEIN
HERMAN EISEN, M.D.
HAYIM FINEMAN
M. GALLEN, M.D.
H.H. HARRIS
ZELIG S. HARRIS
SIDNEY HOOK
FRED KARUSH
BRURIA KAUFMAN
IRMA L. LINDHEIM
NACHMAN MAISEL
SEYMOUR MELMAN
MYER D. MENDELSON
M.D., HARRY M. OSLINSKY
SAMUEL PITLICK
FRITZ ROHRLICH
LOUIS P. ROCKER
RUTH SAGIS
ITZHAK SANKOWSKY
I.J. SHOENBERG
SAMUEL SHUMAN
M. SINGER
IRMA WOLFE
STEFAN WOLF.

New York, Dec. 2, 1948

[skinster]

[Suntzu]

About the only thing the Palestinians seem to be good at is breeding. The population is exploding. I wonder why they don't attack the Egyptians?

[skinster]

I didn't know you were a fan of breeding, but okay, you do you.

The Egyptians are Israel's ally and keep closed the only other crossing out of Gaza, maintaining the imprisonment of Palestinians, for the vast majority of each year. Egypt can get fucked too.

[Suntzu]

So what is dead ammo?

[skinster]

Something you made up, duh.

[Foxfyre]

I don't believe for a minute that Israeli soldiers are instructed to shoot kids or harm kids in any other way. But saying things like that makes for great propaganda for the anti-Israeli folks out there.

I do think Palestinian civilians, including women and children, have been killed as the Palestinians put their rocket launchers etc. amidst women and children, sometimes forcing the women and children to remain there, to ensure civilian casualties when the Israelis take out those launchers that are firing artillery into Israeli civilian neighborhoods. But apparently the Israelis are evil because they protect their children from hostile fire, while the Palestinians are noble when they intentionally endanger theirs.

The following is no atypical:

Palestinian taunts Israeli soldiers to shoot a toddler.

[Zamuel]

So what is dead ammo?

I get you … "Dead refers to defective ammo, often unfired but outdated, or cartridges that do not meet specifications and have been condemned and marked for disposal … I even have some … old 7.62 x 25 shells (Russian Tokarev). These were made for the chez "Skorpion" machine pistol, they're a hot load. They were condemned when the Skorpion was taken out of service. I shoot em in my CZ-52.

Generally speaking I think "Live Ammo" refers to shells chambered in a weapon and ready to fire. I think it's mostly used in reference to artillery, but it's also a term you may hear on firing ranges. It's just being used here to invoke an emotional jerk.
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@Foxfyre I don't believe for a minute that Israeli soldiers are instructed to shoot kids or harm kids in any other way. But saying things like that makes for great propaganda for the anti-Israeli folks out there.

Which then gets re-posted on Pofo by our local Palestinian dupe. She gets slapped down every now and then, so people know not to take her things seriously.

Zam

[noir]

About the only thing the Palestinians seem to be good at is breeding. The population is exploding. I wonder why they don't attack the Egyptians?

They are extra breeding because they get everything for free, they don't have economical calculation. The UN (UNRWA) privides them everything from cradle to grave. The world's dearest "refugees". The only "refugees" group who own its own UN refugee agency. They got the highest fund per capita, much more than real refugees. The only folk in history that can inherent the refugee status for no limit of generations. This is why in the region no one takes them seriously. Save the Gulf states, they have the best lives in the Arab world. According to UN survey, since the Israeli "occupation" the avarage Palestinian became the taller people in the Arab world. Thanks to good nurition and Israeli health care.

Iranians chanting "Death to Palestine!". Reference to Iranian money which is currently paying the Gazans self inflicted "martyrs" (shahids) on the ongoing Pallywood theater, while the Iranians get poorer.

[skinster]

I don't believe for a minute that Israeli soldiers are instructed to shoot kids or harm kids in any other way. But saying things like that makes for great propaganda for the anti-Israeli folks out there.

The IDF tweeted out that they knew where "every bullet hit" and how every shot at Palestinians in their prison in Gaza went exactly where it was planned. Of course they deleted this tweet after the murder of the young medic who had her arms in the air inside the prison camp. If you missed that, I can find you a screenshot that was saved by many.

I do think Palestinian civilians, including women and children, have been killed as the Palestinians put their rocket launchers etc. amidst women and children, sometimes forcing the women and children to remain there, to ensure civilian casualties when the Israelis take out those launchers that are firing artillery into Israeli civilian neighborhoods. But apparently the Israelis are evil because they protect their children from hostile fire, while the Palestinians are noble when they intentionally endanger theirs.

How many Israelis have been killed by the people in concentration camp Gaza since the beginning of these protests? From what I've read so far, not a single Israeli has been killed while Israeli snipers have been shooting at Gaza's prisoners protesting for their freedom and human rights...killing up to 150 and injuring thousands more.

[noir]

@Suntzu It's jihadi Nazi cause that wished to destroy Israel proper (they see Israel as occupied Palestine too). Their tactic is staging victimhood scenes. They are fighting propaganda war for worldwide audience with real blood, after decades of indoctrination and death cult it's not a problem. In the region, there are no consumers for their shtick.

Their tactic to achieve their goal to destroy Israel is to portray Israel as illegitimate racist apartheid state and the "Palestinians" as victims of racism and imprisonment "in concentration camp Gaza". Look, how healthy and white they look even in Spinster own taqyyah (deception) propaganda, who usually never tired to tell us that the "Palestinians" are 'Brown people" and the Israelis are European settlers colonialists.

[danholo]

Oh pure perfection and innocence, and such a stern face. Even I get stunned for a second. She fits the current stereotype of the virtuous rebel; a wise and strong young female. What a perfect poster child. I love this Palestinian propaganda, it reminds us of the propaganda of WWII.

I also see she is white enough to garner sympathy from some useful idiots because she's easy to identify with.

The IDF tweeted out that they knew where "every bullet hit" and how every shot at Palestinians in their prison in Gaza went exactly where it was planned.

60 bullets and sixty dead, was it? That's some precision. Fortunately all hostile elements were eliminated so more violence could be avoided. Organized riots are are pure chaos, so an impressive feat when facing such violence. It's good that the IDF keeps some records because the other side likes to inflate the numbers sometimes.