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Zionist Nationalist wrote:These are not just claims. his claims are based on archaeological findings
overall the bible is one book that is consisted of many books some are fictional some are historical but it was definitely not written by god or "prophets" just regular (and intelligent) people


Written by Israelites and later on the Jews(including the climactic New Testament). Collated, translated and named (Sacra Biblia) by the ancient Catholic Church or "State church of the Roman Empire".

The Tanakh was formally "canonized" in Judaism in the Talmudic period, but existed in prototype format since the Greek Septuagint translation. It was retroactively named the "Hebrew Bible" and "The Good Book" by the Jews in modern times to make ecumenical religious relations with Christians slightly less confusing(but usually Religious Jews refuse to admit this anyway). One way in which Modern Judaism copied Christianity instead of the traditional Christianity copying Judaism.
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You guys are off-topic again, but this is true:

Zionist Nationalist wrote: the conflict is not about religion as it is about nationalism and land


Back on topic, from last Friday's protest:






Over 200 Palestinians have been killed in these Friday protests that began in March of last year. Tens of thousands have been maimed for life.
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skinster wrote:You guys are off-topic again, but this is true:

Back on topic, from last Friday's protest:

Over 200 Palestinians have been killed in these Friday protests that began in March of last year. Tens of thousands have been maimed for life.

The way I see it is that these Arabs in Gaza that like to call themselves Palestinians instead of Egyptians have brought all this on themselves.
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skinster wrote:Citation needed for that being a thing.

Here is one of many:

The inhumanity of Hamas' human shields
By Joe Wilson - - Thursday, May 31, 2018

Recently, I had the opportunity to lead a congressional delegation to Jerusalem for the opening of the U.S. embassy. During our visit, The Jerusalem Post front page was “Promises Made, Promises Kept,” with a picture of President Trump. Sadly, while the United States was keeping its promise to Israel and the American people, Hamas terrorists were continuing their attack on the Israeli border, using firebombs tied to kites (with Nazi swastikas on them), Molotov cocktails and other explosive devices. These attacks, including tunnels, murderous kidnappings and the knifing of American tourist Taylor Force, have been conducted for nearly 30 years and were not provoked by the president’s courage in opening the embassy in Jerusalem.

The U.S. media used the juxtaposition of these two scenes to depict Israel and America as heartless, instead of focusing on the murderous terrorists attacking a sovereign nation. You do not bring Molotov cocktails to a peaceful protest and you do not bring children to a protest that is a site of many violent attacks. Additionally, you do not bring 40,000 protesters to 13 different points along a nation’s border and attempt to break in, wreak havoc and murder innocent civilians without expecting a response.

Hamas even used loudspeakers during the attacks to provoke demonstrators to push forward through the fence, and even lied about Israeli soldiers fleeing to urge demonstrators to continue their charging attacks on the fence.

After the siege, Hamas used the tragic deaths of children along the border as a propaganda tool to further its anti-Semitic cause. The bottom line is Hamas does not want Israel to exist. That is Hamas terrorists’ primary goal and every action they take should be evaluated with that in mind.

Unfortunately, the media take the bait every time, with headlines after the Hamas attack such as “Hamas has launched another war. Israel needs a better response” in The Washington Post, “Uneasy Calm Falls Over Gaza After Israel Kills Scores at Protests” in The New York Times, and “Israel defends Gaza crackdown as Palestinians bury their dead” from CNN. In these titles is the implicit opinion that Israel is guilty, and Hamas is innocent — the exact propaganda and fake news that promotes Hamas‘ murderous agenda.

Two days after the siege on Israel’s border, Hamas acknowledged that 50 of the 60 people killed during the protests were members of the terrorist organization.

What Hamas likely won’t admit is that the other Palestinians who died during this altercation were used as human shields to protect the terrorists. They are seen as martyrs to Hamas, people who had to die for the cause. To me, they are victims of murderous terrorists that will mercilessly use their bodies for cover and then toss them aside once that purpose has been fulfilled.

Hamas conducted its first attack against Israel in 1989, two years after the organization was founded in Gaza. Its terrorists began using suicide bombs against Israelis in 1993. The U.S. State Department designated Hamas a terrorist organization in 1997. Since 2001, Hamas has launched countless rocket attacks at Israel.

In 2005, Israel left Gaza to the Palestinian people, to elect their own government and maintain their own
borders, with Israel still supplying water and electricity. Regrettably, Hamas became the terrorist political party in power in 2007 and has continued to conduct terrorist attacks ever since. Hamas continues to reject Israel’s right to exist and argues that the Holocaust never occurred, and the organization continues to receive funding from the rogue regime in Iran.

In the days prior to the recent attacks, Hamas passed out maps of the fastest routes to get to Israeli communities, in case demonstrators were able to get through the fence. The objective was and is clear: the complete destruction of the state of Israel and the murder of innocent Israeli citizens.

While the United States and the rest of the peaceful world prefer that Israel and the Palestinians in Gaza resolve their differences nonviolently, Hamas continuously chooses to conduct its attacks from mosques, schools and hospitals to kill as many innocent people on both sides people as possible.

This is why I introduced H.R. 3542, the Hamas Human Shields Prevention Act, which is designed to condemn and sanction Hamas for turning its own citizens, including children, into human shields. In February, the U.S. House of Representatives passed this bill unanimously, 415-0.

The global community can do more to save the lives of innocent Palestinians suffering under Hamas. Other countries should pass their own laws sanctioning terrorists who employ human shields. The rest of the world should enhance their sanctions on Hamas, sanctioning both its military and political divisions.

We cannot continue to allow this terrorist organization to indiscriminately use innocent Palestinians as human shields without reproach from the international community.

• Joe Wilson is a Republican member of the U.S. House of Representatives from South Carolina.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... n-shields/
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3 years ago I wrote:The UN, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, The Goldstone Report, Israeli human rights B'Tselem, the IDF have all concluded that the IDF used/uses Palestinians as human shields.

I already posted on the Israeli court ruling against the IDF using Palestinians as human shields, something that still continues.; you can see in this soon-to-be-released film by Max Blumenthal and Dan Cohen, how Palestinians were used as human shields during the most recent massacre in Gaza, two years ago:
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Here you can watch testimony given on the use of human shields in Gaza by Israelis during Operation Ethnic Cleansing in 2014, by Ivan Karakashian from the human rights group, Defence for Children International.
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Hamas Exploitation of Civilians as Human Shields

A short film presenting visual evidence of the long-standing Hamas tactic of exploiting civilians as human shields, and civilian buildings as cover for terrorist attacks.

Hamas Terrorists Use Innocent Civilians As Human Shields
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Hindsite wrote:Who cares if you wish to remain willingly ignorant?

Both Amnesty and the United Nations have accused Israel of gross warcrimes, yet you would refuse to watch any video they produce with an open mind. Yet you accuse me of being ignorant because I don't want to watch biased Israeli Government sources? Why can't you just find non-governmental sources to back this stuff up instead? Why come out as an official Hasbara troll like this? This is the type of stuff a Mossad agent that's terrible at his job would do, come to a political forum and start posting Israeli Government "tow the line" videos as somehow being authoritative. It was better when you were posting Christian Zionist videos on the topic.


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Ter wrote::lol: :lol:
Amnesy is a leftist, Muslim-run organisation and the UN is run by Third world countries and the Organisation of Islamic Countries.
You call those organisations credible ? get out of here :lol:


I don't mind him posting this argument, but why does he think it's a good idea to post blatant Israeli Government propaganda? Can't he use other sources?

..... at least you don't do that. lol.
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Israel's own courts ruled against the IDF using Palestinians as human shields, but they continue(d) anyway and as usual, accuse their victims of what they themselves do.

colliric wrote:Why come out as an official Hasbara troll like this?


I'm surprised you haven't noticed, but that's all they have. Here on this board, whenever people speak in favour of Israel - particularly the rabid Zionists - their sources are nearly always the IDF or Israeli politicians or their spokesmen. They ignore their own courts or NGOs that state the exact same we do about their crimes against Palestinians, it's nearly always the official line that's given.
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skinster wrote:Israel's own courts ruled against the IDF using Palestinians as human shields, but they continue(d) anyway and as usual, accuse their victims of what they themselves do.



I'm surprised you haven't noticed, but that's all they have. Here on this board, whenever people speak in favour of Israel - particularly the rabid Zionists - their sources are nearly always the IDF or Israeli politicians or their spokesmen. They ignore their own courts or NGOs that state the exact same we do about their crimes against Palestinians, it's nearly always the official line that's given.

Why do you lie like that. I posted a first hand experience from Congressman Joe Wilson of South Carolina. And why would I even consider posting any lies from those I know have a bias to believe the Hamas terrorists over Israel? Those lying Muslim Arabs living in Gaza certainly have a bias in favor of Hamas terrorists since they voted them to govern. Yes, Israel does not allow their soldiers to use human shields. Hamas does and if you say they don't then you are just being dishonest.

Hamas has made no secret of advocating the use of civilians as human shields to try to face down Israeli aggression.

A senior spokesman for the group, Sami Abu Zuhri, gave an interview on Palestinian station al-Aqsa TV. He said: “This attests to the character of our noble, jihad-loving people – who defend their rights and their homes with their bare chests and their blood.

“The policy of people confronting the Israeli warplanes with their bare chests in order to protect their homes has proven effective against the occupation… we in Hamas call upon our people to adopt this policy in order to protect the Palestinian homes.”

Credible reports from journalists in Gaza suggest some civilians are choosing to stay in their homes, ignoring warnings of imminent destructions that the Israeli military gives via telephone calls or empty shells “knocking on the roof”.

On the same day as Mr Abu Zuhri was broadcasting Hamas’s message, the New York Times reported the fate of a Palestinian man, Salah Kaware, who received a telephone warning that his house in Khan Younis in south east Gaza was about to be hit by the IDF.

The newspaper reported that another warning came as the occupants were leaving, when an Israeli drone fired a flare at the roof of the three-storey home.

“Our neighbours came in to form a human shield,” Mr Kaware said, with some even going up on to the roof to try to prevent a bombing.

Seven people died in the attack.

Hamas-run Palestinian Authority’s Ministry of Interior has told residents not to pay attention to the IDF warnings.

It issued a directive “calling all our people not to deal or pay attention to the psychological warfare carried out by the occupation through rumours that broadcast across his media and delivering publications and communications on the phones of citizens”.

We don’t know how many of the Palestinian fatalities are the result of people choosing to ignore warnings from the Israelis.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck ... an-shields

Who are the Palestinians? An Arab Invention. CBN.
Published on Aug 1, 2015
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skinster wrote:Why did Israel's court (attempt to) ban the IDF from using Palestinians as human shields then?

They just wanted to make it clear that the IDF were not allowed to use the human shield tactic of Hamas or other terrorist groups. By the way, in case you didn't know, herbicides are used to kill and control weeds.
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