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Seeker8 wrote:George Galloway interviewing American Zionist Laura Loomer. Worth watching for a laugh. She reminds me of Albert.

Galloway is a Stalinist idiot, I'm sorry I got nothing better to say about him. His definition of winning an argument is shouting launder than the opponent.

In 1950, Bethlehem and the surrounding villages were 86 percent Christian. But by 2016, the Christian population dipped to just 12 percent, according Bethlehem mayor Vera Baboun. Across the West Bank, Christians now account for less than 2 percent of the population, though in the 1970s, Christians were 5 percent of the population. In Bethlehem, the traditional birthplace of Jesus, today there are just 11,000 Christians.

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The context in which the guy from Hamas said that was important. It wasn't designed for a non-Arab audience. The interviewer was effectively accusing Hamas of hiding behind the protesters so he claimed that 50 of those killed were Hamas to try and prove that wasn't what happened.


Senior Hamas Official Says 50 of 62 Palestinians Killed in Gaza This Week Were ‘From Hamas’

By Patrick Goodenough | May 16, 2018 | 8:38 PM EDT

Hamas Politburo member Salah Al-Bardawil. (Photo: Hamas)
(CNSNews.com) – Israel stands accused of massacring “Palestinian civilians exercising their right to peaceful protest” along the Gaza-Israel border this week, but a senior member of Hamas told Palestinian television on Wednesday that 50 of the 62 Palestinians killed in the rioting were members of the terrorist organization.



Salah Al-Bardawil, a member of Hamas’ Politburo, was defending his group against claims that it was reaping the benefits of the border protest campaign while ordinary Palestinians were paying the price.

“People are saying that children are dying and that Hamas is reaping the fruits,” said the interviewer on the Gaza-based Baladna television network.
“In the last round, there were 62 martyrs,” replied Bardawil, citing the same figure that the Hamas-controlled health ministry in Gaza has given for the number of people killed in clashes along the border on Monday and Tuesday.


“Fifty of the martyrs were from Hamas,” Bardawil continued, “and the other 12 were regular people. So how can anyone claim that Hamas is reaping the fruits, when it paid such a steep price? What did Hamas gain? Fifty martyrs—”

“This figure is—” the interviewer interjected.
“I am giving you an official figure,” said Bardawil. “Fifty of the martyrs in the recent battle were from Hamas. Before that, at least 50 percent of the martyrs were from Hamas. So what did Hamas gain from this?”

Commenting on Bardawil’s remarks, Israeli Defense Forces spokesman Jonathan Conricus tweeted, “Take his word for it. This was no peaceful protest.”
Earlier the IDF reported that, based on a joint investigation with intelligence services, “at least 24 terrorists with documented terror background” were among those killed.

The Palestinian Islamic Jihad, another Iran-backed terrorist group in Gaza, also designated as an FTO since 1997, announcedthat three of its fighters were killed in Monday’s clashes.


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Ter wrote:Well, that is not an acceptable option now.

It seems to me that the Arabs are in a hurry to get what they want because already seventy years have passed and there are very few refugees left. We are dealing with the children, the grand children and the great grand children of the refugees.

The longer this lasts, the more surreal it gets.



Ter wrote:What a load of rubbish.
I said they are breeding like rabbits, which they do.
Their fertility rate per woman is 4.28, which makes their population grow by almost 3% per year.
Muslims do that on purpose, the demographic weapon is very effective.
You will not live to see it but their population in Germany and other countries in Europe will relatively quickly become quite important, with consequences for the non-Muslim population there.
The Arabs who you call Palestinian are breeding as fast as possible.
Mr Hanye, the former leader of Hamas, has seventeen children, just mentioning it as an anecdote here.




Swiss FM: “Today UNRWA has become part of the problem. It supplies the ammunition to continue the conflict. By supporting UNRWA, we keep the conflict alive. It’s a perverse logic.”

Minister: ‘UN aid agency is part of the problem in the Middle East’
MAY 17, 2018 - 08:39

United Nations aid work for Palestinian refugees is a stumbling block to peace in the Middle East, hindering the
integration of Palestinians who have lived in Jordan and Lebanon for years, according to Swiss Foreign Affairs Minister Ignazio Cassis.
So long as Palestinians live in refugee camps, they can dream of returning home, he said in an interviewexternal link published in several Swiss newspapers on Thursday.
Five million Palestinian refugees currently live in such camps, with aid and protection provided by the UNRWAexternal link, the United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees in the Near East.

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“It is unrealistic that all of them can fulfil this dream. Yet the UNRWA keeps this dream alive,” Cassis said. “For a long time the UNRWA was the solution to this problem, but today it has become part of the problem. It supplies the ammunition to continue the conflict. By supporting the UNRWA, we keep the conflict alive. It’s a perverse logic.”
He called for the integration of long-term refugees in their countries of residence. Instead of UNRWA schools and hospitals, he said Switzerland could support Jordanian facilities to promote the integration of Palestinian refugees.
Financial crisis
Unlike the United States, Switzerland does not want to significantly reduce or end UNRWA involvement.
“In other cases that’s a good move: if there’s no money, things finally happen,” Cassis said. “But in this case, that’s a big risk: millions of Palestinians could end up on the street. If all nations refused to contribute to the UNRWA, a machinery would collapse that ensures a certain stability. This is a risk that Switzerland can’t afford – perhaps unlike the US.”
The UNRWA was founded in 1949external link following the 1948 Arab-Israeli conflict and is funded almost entirely by voluntary contributions from UN member states. The Swiss foreign affairs ministry says it is set to pay CHF21.2 million ($21.2 million) for 2018.
The US this year cut its contribution from $360 million to $60 million. “This is our largest funding crisis ever,” said the UNRWA’s Swiss head Pierre Krähenbühl on April 24.​​​​​​​

https://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/politics/p ... -/44124956
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The protestors were not unarmed. How many times do have to refute this lie. This was a military operation organised by Hamas. Hamas is a known military organisation. Every demonstrator made themselves part of that military operation, whether they were carrying guns or not, whether they were engaging in violence or not. Hamas deliberalty used children in a military operation. Hamas and Islamic Jihad bear sole responsibility.

When the allies invaded Germany in 1945, German children didn't have a right to demonstate against the occupation. They didn't have the right to throw stones and expect a "proportionate response".
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Scummy zionists still blame the 60+ victims of this week, even though we all know and saw it was the IDF shooting Palestinians protesting for their freedom from inside of concentration camp Gaza.

The Palestinians imprisoned inside Gaza pose no threat to Israelis and we know this because no Israelis have been hurt and also because:


Back on topic:
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The wall shown in the tweet a couple of posts ago is the wall separating Judea and Samaria from pre-1967 Israel. It was built to stop suicide bombers and other Arab terrorists from blowing up Israeli civilians during the second intifada.
It was and is a very effective wall. They can call it apartheid but everybody knows it was built as a reaction to the intifada. The anti Zionists were very angry that this wall was built. Now they can no longer blow up Israelis, oy vey.
To show that wall as being the wall bordering Gaza is a gross lie, but we are used to this kind of propaganda by now. There are many videos and pictures that the Arabs and the IDF could see each other because there is no wall there.
The hysterical tweets and posts by anti-Zionists are a sign of desperation. Their Arab heroes did not succeed in breaching the border with Israel. Yet another failure of the Arabs.

It is also worthwhile to note that the demonstrations have stopped. Why? Israel has announced that if the foolishness wouldn't stop, they would target the heads of the Hamas snake. It appears that the top Hamas people like to stay alive a little longer. They are only eager to give up the lives of normal Gazans and their babies.
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skinster wrote:Scummy zionists still blame the 60+ victims of this week, even though we all know and saw it was the IDF shooting Palestinians protesting for their freedom from inside of concentration camp Gaza.

The Palestinians imprisoned inside Gaza pose no threat to Israelis and we know this because no Israelis have been hurt and also because:


Back on topic:



In most places there is no wall just a fence that can be overrun by rioters
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Howard Horowitz is the former President of WESPAC and current WESPAC member. I have permission to share his letter to his Temple. Thank you so much, Howard, for your clarity and moral courage - "We must, as Jews, teach the Nakba in our religious and Hebrew schools, understanding that Nakba denial is no different than Holocaust denial.":

Dear Fellow Israel Action Committee Members,

Today is one of the most tragic days in the history of the Jewish people. It is time to “break the silence,” to invoke the Israeli soldier organization Breaking the Silence. When will we stand up, as human beings, as a committee and as a Temple, to condemn the massacre of Palestinians on the Gaza border? The dictionary definition of massacre is “an indiscriminate and brutal slaughter of people.” That is what occurred and is occurring. We can never say we did not know. If we say we hold Jewish values, we will stand up and be counted and proclaim that we were strangers in the land of Egypt, we were slaughtered in the Holocaust and we do unto others as we would have them do unto us.

In this, the “Gaza Spring,” the IDF has killed more than 80 Palestinians and maimed and wounded 10,000 more. Not one Israeli casualty, not a scratch. No guns on the “other“ side just burning tires and “deadly” kites. Why do I have images of David and Goliath (except this time Goliath is winning)?

Why do I have images of people who after 70 years of exile, want to go home, to return to their homes? Are the Palestinians, in the face of the Israeli Goliath, the new Jews? Their struggle brings to my mind images of the Jews on the Exodus on a hunger strike while running the British blockade and siege only to be captured and sent to detention and barbed wire in Cyprus. The Palestinians in Gaza are trying to break the Israeli siege.

We as Jews who remember the Holocaust and the victimization of the Jewish people stand in solidarity with the new Jews. If we don’t stand up and say no, we are complicit in murder, plain and simple.

The massacre of Palestinians by those who claim to represent the Jewish people is by far the most painful and shameful aspect of today. The second most painful and shameful aspect is the besmirching of the holy city of Jerusalem, which is a Palestinian and Jewish and Christian and Muslim and international city. Is the alliance between Trump and the Netanyahu regime not a wake-up call to liberal Jews that actions such as those taken today in Jerusalem are not acceptable and will only lead to greater violence and alienation? We are ready to say no to systematic oppression and the exclusion of Reform and Conservative Jews in Israel, exclusion that is a literal form of ant-Semitism. We must also be ready to say no to the cruel and inhuman treatment of Palestinians who do not have the same rights as we do though we do not even live there.

As Jews, we need to stand up as Jews and reclaim our heritage. We are Americans who acknowledge and memorialize the genocide of native Americans, we memorialize and mourn the legacy of slavery and Jim Crow, most recently with the National Memorial for Peace and Justice in Montgomery, Alabama. Now we must acknowledge and atone for the expulsion, oppression and killing of Palestinians for the past 70 years. We must, as Jews, teach the Nakba in our religious and Hebrew schools, understanding that Nakba denial is no different than Holocaust denial. We would not make peace with those who deny the Holocaust and makes teaching its memory illegal. We should expect no different for Palestinians whose history is denied, whose curriculum is deemed illegal, and whose story is buried under the trees planted by the Jewish National Fund for which we, as American children, put pennies in the pushka? As I noticed on a recent visit to Jerusalem, “Palestine” as a place where Jews lived before the Holocaust is willfully erased even in Yad Vashem. In addition to the 4 billion dollars per year in military aid that the US provides to Israel—funds for the weapons of death and massacre in Gaza—there is also the matter of our monies given to UJA, JNF and Israel Bonds that go directly to the settlement enterprise that displaces Palestinians and defies international law.

Given this critical moment and today’s horrific events, I respectfully request an emergency meeting of the IAC to discuss how to address this crisis. We need to provide our congregation information so they may judge fact from fiction, and truth from propaganda. We need to take a public stand against the violence being perpetuated by Israel with sister congregations and the URJ. To avoid such a discussion would be a demonstration of willful ignorance that has been and remains the greatest danger to the Jewish people and to all people.

The favor of a reply is requested and with a proposed meeting date. In an effort to start to discern fact from fiction, I am attaching recent articles and materials from pre-eminent Jewish and non-Jewish sources. The article that speaks directly to the issue of truth, lies and propaganda is from the Forward by Peter Beinart. The most difficult article for us to read is about the Nakba at this link https://www.counterpunch.org/…/the-dark-side-of-israeli-in…/.

Sincerely, and with no small degree of sadness on this tragic day,

Howard
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Ter wrote:The wall shown in the tweet a couple of posts ago is the wall separating Judea and Samaria from pre-1967 Israel.


The wall is part of the prison walls around Gaza. There is no such place called Judea and Samaria, that is the name fanatical zionists call the West Bank, which is internationally recognized as Palestinian territory, despite Palestinians being forced to live under a brutal military regime, amongst 600,000 violent Israeli settlers.

It was built to stop suicide bombers and other Arab terrorists from blowing up Israeli civilians during the second intifada.


Gaza was built decades before the second intifada as a place to warehouse Palestinians who were ethnically cleansed from other parts of Palestine in the 1940s. Gaza today is a prison of 2 million refugees and their children.

Gaza was also built before any suicide-bombing attacks occurred against Israelis.

Finkelstein wrote a book on Gaza recently, might be well worth a read since you're clueless about its history.


It was and is a very effective wall. They can call it apartheid but everybody knows it was built as a reaction to the intifada.


The wall was built to steal more Palestinian land and to imprison people or prevent freedom of movement.

To show that wall as being the wall bordering Gaza is a gross lie, but we are used to this kind of propaganda by now. There are many videos and pictures that the Arabs and the IDF could see each other because there is no wall there.


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I have no idea what world you live in, but it's one that's batshit insane, aka not grounded in any reality.

The people of Gaza are imprisoned. I saw this film last night, it was just released, made by Dan Cohen and Max Blumenthal during and after the brutal massacre on Gaza in 2014. You can see what the prison of Gaza is like by watching this film, here: https://vimeo.com/ondemand/killinggaza/255266362

The hysterical tweets and posts by anti-Zionists are a sign of desperation.


I know where the desperation is, zionists still trying to sell a shit story. You can't sell live genocide as much as you will continue to try.

Their Arab heroes did not succeed in breaching the border with Israel. Yet another failure of the Arabs.


Yes it's clear you hate Palestinians, even by calling them Arabs instead of Palestinians. We know why you do that, to deny them their history of their homeland.

It is also worthwhile to note that the demonstrations have stopped.


They're ongoing right now. :lol:

Seriously, where do you get your information from? It'd be nice if you could show some sources rather than crying about how Israel is being demonized...for acting like a demon.
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