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Many shot dead at Texas school. Another school shooting. Why?

Between eight and 10 people have been killed in a shooting at a Texas high school, say police.
Harris County Sheriff Ed Gonzalez told reporters the majority of the dead at Santa Fe High School were students.
A student is in custody after the attack at the school, which is about 40 miles (65km) south of Houston.
The death toll makes this the deadliest school shooting since the one in February at Parkland, Florida.
That attack left 17 dead and spawned a nationwide youth-led campaign for gun control.
The local education authority said "possible explosive devices" had been found at the school, as well as off-campus.
"Law enforcement is in the process of rendering them safe. School has been evacuated," tweeted Santa Fe Independent School District.
district confirmed that people were injured in an "active shooter" incident as classes began on Friday morning.
They later added that "possible explosive devices" were located at the school, as well as off-campus.
Sheriff Gonzalez said his officers were tackling a "multiple-casualty incident", but the final number of dead is unclear.
He earlier tweeted: "An injured police officer is being treated, the extent of his injuries are unknown."
Several students described hearing a fire alarm go off shortly before 08:00 local time. It is not clear how the alarm was activated.
One witness told KTRK-TV the shooting happened in her art class, and that one person shot was a girl.
"There was someone that walked in with a shotgun and started shooting," the student said, "and this girl got shot in the leg."
She said that she did not get a look at the shooter, because she ran to hide.
One 10th grader told networks she had an asthma attack while hiding in the woods.
News helicopters filmed students emptying their backpacks in front of armed officers in a field outside the school.
A bomb squad was at the scene, and several helicopter ambulances flew victims to hospital.
Federal officials with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) are helping the investigation.
President Donald Trump, speaking at a prison reform event at the White House, described the attack as "absolutely horrific".
"My administration is determined to do everything in our power to protect our students, secure our schools, and to keep weapons out of the hands of those who pose a threat to themselves, and to others," he added.
Two weeks ago, Mr Trump reiterated his call to arm teachers with guns during a speech in Dallas to the National Rifle Association (NRA).
First Lady Melania Trump tweeted: "My heart goes out of Santa Fe and all of Texas today."
Shortly after the shooting began in the town of about 13,000 residents, a man carrying an American flag, wearing a Trump hat, and carrying a pistol on his hip approached news cameras.
The man, who did not give his name, said his goal was to "get to the school. Make America great again."
Another man then told reporters "we need prayers".
"This idiot is walking down the street with a damned pistol on his side where we just had kids get shot," he said referring to the other man.
"I'm a guns rights person. I have guns. But this idiot is walking down here and saying he needs to make America great again. That's not what America needs."

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#14915961
Lots of missing details as usual.

They were reportedly doing another fire drill, just like at the Parkland shooting.

Student Arrested After Deadly Gun Incident, Say Reports

Witnesses told ABC the shooting took place in an art class on campus between 7:30 and 7:45 am local time. A junior at the school said students were participating in what seemed to be a fire drill when they started hearing shots.
#14915978
When you eliminate community standards, you eliminate the controls on individual behavior.
That is my ‘off topic irrational’ view of the problem, but keep ignoring the correlation.
We have created a society where the individual is all that matters. It is logical to expect some individuals to express their ‘godhood’ we have given them in an unacceptable manner when anything they do is acceptable.
We have regressed in maturity as a society resulting in childish impulsive acts.
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Crantag wrote:Didn't the Parkland shooter pull the fire alarm?

My first inclination is that this shooter adopted the tactic.


I’ll have to go back and check. I am listening to a local report right now with a security “expert” who is saying that a teacher pulled the fire alarm to help keep students safe.
#14915993
"He wears a trench coat every day, and it's like 90 degrees out here," Severin said.

Pagourtzis, Severin added, was the victim of bullying — and not just by other students.

"He's been picked on by coaches before, for smelling bad and stuff like that," Severin said. "And he doesn't really talk to very many people either. He keeps to himself."


This was a quote from a student according to NBC. Looks like another kid who should have been seen as having some serious problems.
#14916003
anarchist23 wrote:Many shot dead at Texas school. Another school shooting. Why?

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Konrad Lorenz, who is regarded as founder of behaviour research, put it about this way:
Humans are by nature only slightly armed compared for instance with a wolf.
With a single swift bite in the throat of a companion, a wolf can kill his fellow creature.
Whilst humans, by their nature, need more time to achieve such result.

So he, the wolf, is by nature in greater need to have a higher inborn inhibition against killing, as for instance a pigeon.
If you make the experiment to glue the beak of a raven, which is in comparison heavily armed, on the beak of a pigeon, the symbol-bird for peace will turn into a killer.

And that is really a sad truth regarding our species.
We are meanwhile heavily armed, thank to technical progress, but our inborn inhibition against killing remains on inadequate low level from long times before yesterday.
We are the doves with a very sharp ravens beak.

Donald doesn't mind, because he's got no ethic framework, but clearly bribed by the sellers of the most modern and sophisticated "raven-beaks".
And by doing so, he is not an "idiot", but that what Albert Einstein described that way:
"Macht hat eine besondere Anziehungskraft auf moralisch minderwertige Menschen" which translates:
'Power does attract humans of minor moral especially.'

Dead children for Donald are a shit-hole that don't pay a buck for him. NRA does.
#14916004
Here's the guy. He looks like he is a big fan of the late 1990's with his hairstyle and the fact that they are claiming that he posted photos of a trench coat to his social media account.

Maybe he watched the same Netflix documentary on Columbine that my sister said watched recently.

The also said that he used an AR-15, but the Governor has refuted this claim.

And all the usual suspects are out there talking about gun control except they have to be a little disappointed that the weapon used wasn't a big bulky AR-15 styled rifle that is difficult to conceal.

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SANTA FE, Texas – The suspected shooter arrested after a rampage that killed 10 people at Santa Fe High School this morning used guns owned by his father and had planned to kill himself, Gov. Greg Abbott told reporters in an afternoon press conference.

He said the shooter, who police identified as 17-year-old Dimitrios Pagourtzis, used a shotgun and a .38 caliber revolver, and that he did not legally possess them.

"I have no information at this time whether the father knows the weapons were taken," the governor said.

Abbott said earlier reports that the shooter used an AR-15 style rifle were wrong.

There are two other people of interest in the case, he said. One was at the scene and had "suspicious reactions," he said, and officials were unsure whether that person was involved in the attack. The other person is being interviewed, and Abbott said that person will not be identified at this time.

In addition to the 10 dead, 10 others were wounded, Abbott confirmed.

Two federal search warrants are being sought to find explosive devices at two residences. Police earlier said Pagourtzis brought some devices into the school and it was unclear whether any went off.

There also is a search warrant out for Pagourtzis' vehicle. He had written in journals and on his computer that he wanted to commit the shooting and commit suicide afterward, Abbott said.

The teen had no previous criminal history and there were no warning signs of the attack, he said.

Pagourtzis, a junior, shared photographs on a now-defunct Facebook page of a T-shirt that said "born to kill" and clothes adorned with German nationalist iconography.

Pagourtzis, a junior, shared photographs on a now-defunct Facebook page of a T-shirt that said "born to kill" and clothes adorned with German nationalist iconography.

Although his Facebook page cites a connection to the U.S. Marine Corps, a USMC spokesperson said he is not affiliated with the Marines.

He is a member of a dance squad with a local Greek Orthodox church, the Associated Press reported.

A woman who answered the phone at a number associated with the Pagourtzis family declined to speak with the
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One Degree wrote:When you eliminate community standards, you eliminate the controls on individual behavior.
That is my ‘off topic irrational’ view of the problem, but keep ignoring the correlation.
We have created a society where the individual is all that matters. It is logical to expect some individuals to express their ‘godhood’ we have given them in an unacceptable manner when anything they do is acceptable.
We have regressed in maturity as a society resulting in childish impulsive acts.

No.

You are right to identify the individualism involved in this act. Lefties Liberals are always twittering on about how we must teach kids to think for themselves and not just go along with accepted wisdom. They then start whining like bitches when you get a guy like Ted Kacynski, who whatever his faults can not be accused of not thinking for himself. However American individualism is not a recent phenomenon and predates the War of Independence. We see it in the Civil War. Most societies meekly gave up slavery before 1860. The Confederates fought for their right to own slaves. We see this yeomanry individualism in the Afrikaans. We see it in the English Civil War and we see it with the freedom fighters of the UPA.

Our modern Western societies are extremely un-violent compared to earlier Western societies, earlier none western societies and communist societies. The identity feedback loop of television combined with American individualism and its multicultural divisiveness produces this particular phenomena. Because of early American multiculturalism Community Standards in the US were always extremely brittle and prone to fragmentation. We see this in phenomena like the Mormons.
#14916021
There have been so many of these school shootings that it's time to change our response to them.

There's no point to thoughts and prayers, and there's no point in lobbying for restrictions on weapons.

It's time to embrace these events as both a means to sell more guns (money!) and a nice way to detract attention from the multiple crises (environmental, social, economic) that America's elite are doing nothing to help (and lots to aggravate or worsen).

Let's all ignore this school shooting by thinking about all the positives and silver linings.
#14916048
Qatzelok's right. Why look at the bad side?

You can have a School Shooting Lottery.

Spur gun purchases by having $5 off of every purchase of a gun can go towards burial costs for the children killed.

Arms teachers, janitors and anyone else who works in the school, with AR-15s. Then the schools will be really safe.

Accept that school shootings are just a part of the American Dream, and quit televising them. What's the point? Show some squirrels water-skiing, instead.
#14916066
Random non-school shootings are far more common and aren't carried out by a white male with an AR-15.

School shootings get a lot of national play while these kinds of shootings, which just happened two weeks ago, are just in and out of the news cycle within one day.



The media doesn't care to give very many facts in this case so the public is only left to speculate. My bet is on a corrupt cop got in over his head on a gun deal with some black gang and it went south.

Others are basically speculating the same thing, and if it is true then fuck em they deserve what they get.

The point is that the problem with guns isn't what the media is hyping and it is exactly the opposite.
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