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QatzelOk wrote:
It's time to embrace these events as both a means to sell more guns (money!) and a nice way to detract attention from the multiple crises (environmental, social, economic) that America's elite are doing nothing to help (and lots to aggravate or worsen).


I would argue that the media hype, yes Godstud, media hype are fueling these events and creating copycats.

If we can take this statement at face value, it appears that for the first time some law enforcement official tried find out a motive, and local media sort of actually reported it.

10 dead, 10 wounded in shooting at Santa Fe High School in Texas, explosives found on campus: Officials

Pagourtzis also allegedly stated during the interview that he did not shoot students he liked "so he could have his story told," the affidavit states.


Yeah, so what was his story? Are we ever going to learn this guy's story to understand why he shot up his school in an attempt to get his story out to the media?
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Crantag wrote:Three shot, one killed.
Good news! Two students get to try out the American healthcare system, firsthand(educational), and one doesn't have to pay back his student loans.

There's always a way to be positive about these school shootings! :)
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It seems the case here like with many is that people who do commit these shootings are bullied, they are also socially shunned. At some point they snap from this distress it seems. They had to endure tremendous amount of stress and abuse for this to happen. How much abuse one must endure to become so hateful.

We teach our kids to be cool these days, the media shows that all over how one has to be a certain way and posses certain qualities otherwise they are no good. Not only children strive for this ideal image but also adults. There is not sympathy or compassion, if you do no tow the line you are pecked severely.

We do not teach our children goodness, justice, honour, respect, compassion and grace. We ourselves do not even strive for such principles no longer. It is all about power, image, greed and glory. We get high on exuberance and having our foot on the neck of the weak.

I guess we all reap what we sow. :hmm:
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Crantag wrote:There was a second school shooting at a graduation ceremony at a highschool in Georgia. Three shot, one killed.

Maybe so, but that tiny school shooting and the small one at Santa Fe high school in the OP in this thread, are going to have a hard time generating the media excitement (and ad revenue) of Parkdale.

Why Santa Fe is no Parkdale is two-fold:

First, there are simply a lot fewer dead adolescents this time. You really need an increase in scale if your school shooting follows on the heels of another similar event. Isrealis are very media savvy, and their latest "school shooting" of Gaza provided an impressive increase in victim numbers over Parkdale.

And secondly, Santa Fe is too close to Houston, the city that flooded a short time ago. The Houston flood steals attention away from other local disasters, thus diluting their relatve importance.

It's just common sense.
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QatzelOk wrote:Why Santa Fe is no Parkdale is two-fold:

First, there are simply a lot fewer dead adolescents this time.

Nah, 10 is enough to horrify …

And secondly, Santa Fe is too close to Houston, the city that flooded a short time ago. The Houston flood steals attention away from other local disasters, thus diluting their relatve importance.

Well, yeah, but it isn't because of Hurricanes. Houston is a "hell hole" this time of year and will remain so for the next 4 or 5 months. Journalists ain't stupid, let the local stringers deal with the "Texas Sweats."

Zam :knife:
#14916328
QatzelOk wrote:There have been so many of these school shootings that it's time to change our response to them.

There's no point to thoughts and prayers, and there's no point in lobbying for restrictions on weapons.

It's time to embrace these events as both a means to sell more guns (money!) and a nice way to detract attention from the multiple crises (environmental, social, economic) that America's elite are doing nothing to help (and lots to aggravate or worsen).

Let's all ignore this school shooting by thinking about all the positives and silver linings.


School shootings are just a cash cow for the news business which serves as the Democratic parties mouth piece. A party which is completely lost and at rock bottom for their continued sensationalizing of then for political gain.
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Albert wrote:It seems the case here like with many is that people who do commit these shootings are bullied, they are also socially shunned. At some point they snap from this distress it seems.


The mass industrial system of education isn't exactly the healthiest environment to grow up in. Enduring 6-8 hours a day five days a week for twelve years straight of mass herding through a process of institutionalization designed for inculcating conformity and obedience is bound to warp a few minds. But we'll blame it on the guns because that's politically convenient.
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maz wrote:Random non-school shootings are far more common and aren't carried out by a white male with an AR-15.

School shootings get a lot of national play while these kinds of shootings, which just happened two weeks ago, are just in and out of the news cycle within one day.

You know, I never really gave much thought as to why school shootings disturb the liberal mind so much. Yet, when they excuse the epic failure of socialism virtually everywhere it is tried, the typical things they champion are education and health care. So to see a school as the scene for nihilistic acts is probably counter intuitive to the political left. Their inability to identify their own hostility to spirituality and Christian ethics is just a blind spot, but I think it will remain a persistent one. I've often said that if you get rid of Christianity, the natural successor should be something like Nazism. So this stuff doesn't surprise me other than how infrequently it happens given the social stresses.

maz wrote:The media doesn't care to give very many facts in this case so the public is only left to speculate.

Well the shooter in this school used a pistol and a shotgun. Pistols are used for self-defense and shotguns for hunting. So their gun control argument doesn't work--so I'm guessing this story won't last a long time as it doesn't serve the propaganda aims of the neoliberals.
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Finfinder wrote:School shootings are just a cash cow for the news business which serves as the Democratic parties mouth piece. A party which is completely lost and at rock bottom for their continued sensationalizing of then for political gain.

So in your opinion, these school shooters should just stop because they're nothing but fund-raising for the wrong party?

Maybe Republicans are shooting up the Middle East as a fundraising scam as well? AIPAC looks pretty happy.

But I suspect that your take on these very popular school shootings is a conspiracy theory. In reality, these events are put on by big media as a way of getting lots of eyeballs on advertisements. And when you're grieving, you're the most vulnerable to certain types of products and services.

But as a former advertising creator, I know that news sources aren't getting half of what they got for ad space during Parkdale. Parkdale was a much more successful advertising environment.

All in all, school shootings aren't nearly as bad as our upcoming extinction will be. Newspaper advertising space will be worth its weight in gold when that media event unfolds before our passively watching eyes.
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blackjack21 wrote:I've often said that if you get rid of Christianity, the natural successor should be something like Nazism.

The natural successor of Christianity is Cultural Marxism. Everyone's a sinner but some are more sinners than others. In traditional Christianity everyone was a sinner but some: Blacks, Jews, women, homosexuals, children, Natives were more prone to sin than upstanding White Heterosexual Christian men and were expected to defer the deserved authority of the patriarchs. Cultural Marxism is just reversed Christianity so now the worst sinners are men, adults, heterosexuals, Cis-Sexauls, Whites, Gentiles, Infidels.

As for Nazism, I really don't think so. This sort of narcissistic individualism is the very opposite of Nazism. Nazism came out of core of individuals who had fought in the First world, some like Hitler and Goring had served for 4 years. many had fought on after WWI in the battle against the Communists in the Baltic countries and Germany itself. The Nazis placed a huge emphasise on ideology, discipline and military training for the youth, but above all sport. These shooters far from being sporty types seem often to have a gripe against the Jocks. They are the quintessential anti-Nazis.
#14916421
The natural successor of Christianity is Cultural Marxism. Everyone's a sinner but some are more sinners than others. In traditional Christianity everyone was a sinner but some: Blacks, Jews, women, homosexuals, children, Natives were more prone to sin than upstanding White Heterosexual Christian men and were expected to defer the deserved authority of the patriarchs.


Your argument falls flat when you realize that Christianity was created in the Middle East during a time in which the concept of race didn't exist.

Nazism came out of core of individuals who had fought in the First world


Iran has a higher GDP and better living standards than early 20th century Germany and it's a second world country, Ethiopia has a higher GDP and better living standards than early 20th century Germany. The idea of world-ism is so recent you can trace it back to the 90s. Stop anachronistically altering history just to suit your narrative. You do this all the time and it only makes you look stupid.
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QatzelOk wrote:So in your opinion, these school shooters should just stop because they're nothing but fund-raising for the wrong party?

Maybe Republicans are shooting up the Middle East as a fundraising scam as well? AIPAC looks pretty happy.

But I suspect that your take on these very popular school shootings is a conspiracy theory. In reality, these events are put on by big media as a way of getting lots of eyeballs on advertisements. And when you're grieving, you're the most vulnerable to certain types of products and services.

But as a former advertising creator, I know that news sources aren't getting half of what they got for ad space during Parkdale. Parkdale was a much more successful advertising environment.

All in all, school shootings aren't nearly as bad as our upcoming extinction will be. Newspaper advertising space will be worth its weight in gold when that media event unfolds before our passively watching eyes.


The news makes these shooters famous they also use these shootings to broadcast their political agenda and are now using the children to advance it.

Conspiracy ? Please tell us about this upcoming extinction.
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Rich wrote:The natural successor of Christianity is Cultural Marxism. Everyone's a sinner but some are more sinners than others. In traditional Christianity everyone was a sinner but some: Blacks, Jews, women, homosexuals, children, Natives were more prone to sin than upstanding White Heterosexual Christian men and were expected to defer the deserved authority of the patriarchs. Cultural Marxism is just reversed Christianity so now the worst sinners are men, adults, heterosexuals, Cis-Sexauls, Whites, Gentiles, Infidels.

I don't think Cultural Marxism is a "natural successor." It's the goal of the establishment, and a thought process that wouldn't come to people naturally. It's one reason why I like Donald Trump as president. It's also why I would argue that the British Monarchy will fail in my lifetime if Prince Harry's wedding is any indication of what the royals are really thinking. Cultural Marxism is a bad bet for the establishment in my opinion. They already have Trump and Brexit as natural consequences.

Although, I can see Cultural Marxism as a sort of religion for losers.

Rich wrote:The Nazis placed a huge emphasise on ideology, discipline and military training for the youth, but above all sport. These shooters far from being sporty types seem often to have a gripe against the Jocks. They are the quintessential anti-Nazis.

I said "something like Nazism," in the sense that they have little regard for the lives of people they dislike; although, I would agree that the shooters aren't particularly politically motivated in their violence. Rather it is more characteristic of a frustration-aggression response, which I do not find surprising at all given the utterly annoying political correctness dogma propagandizing today's students.

"Something like Nazism" in the sense of a violent response to today's zeitgeist is what I mean. Nazism itself was not intended to scale globally outside the context of the German volk. So ideologically, in many respects it contained seeds of weakness if not the seeds of its own defeat or destruction.

Oxymandias wrote:The idea of world-ism is so recent you can trace it back to the 90s.

It predates the 1990s. The terminology arose as a result of the non-aligned movement that was established in 1961. The first world represented NATO-aligned countries, the second world represented Soviet-aligned countries and the third world represented non-aligned countries.

Oxymandias wrote:Stop anachronistically altering history just to suit your narrative. You do this all the time and it only makes you look stupid.

Rich wasn't being anachronistic. You just need to understand history a little better, and you won't be able to do that by relying on today's colleges and universities to educate you properly, because they serve to indoctrinate not to educate. Seek out primary sources yourself. Do not rely on professors to give you solid guidance.
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