[Suntzu]

If this thread was about anything but intentional American school shootings, you'd have an argument @Suntzu. As it is, you're simply trolling and being purposefully dishonest.

@Besoeker don't engage him further, unless he gets back on topic.

Godsdud has spoken!

[Godstud]

[QatzelOk]

Cars are not at all analogous to guns.

In terms of killing innocent people of all ages, they are similar machines.

It's the typical dodge and diversion from gun control that all the right wingers are using these days.

Another typical dodge is claiming that the 40,000 Americans who get crushed by motor vehicles each year are totally acceptable deaths because "accident." If this number dies every year, it's no accident. It's a murderous environment created by your government.

Divert to something completely unrelated, and already under controls. It's a dishonest and intellectually vacant argument.

Automobiles are "under control" yet 40,000 people die from them (and double that indirectly). I guess that means that 40,000 children can get shot to death in schools each year even if guns are "under control."

And each shooting is an accident, in the sense that very temporary feelings are acted out in these school shootings. It's like teenage angst "accidentally" kills its own kind because machines are everywhere. Gun machines, just like car machines.

[Besoeker]

In terms of killing innocent people of all ages, they are similar machines.

Utter nonsense - and I think you know it is.

[One Degree]

Repeating myself since everyone chooses to ignore the obvious. To find the cause of increased school shootings requires you look for changes that may have caused it. Gun ownership has not changed. It is illogical and unscientific to blame a ‘constant’ for a ‘change’. This is simply political nonsense. You want a simple solution and you don’t care if it makes sense as long as you can bash political opponents with it.
To find the real reasons, you must look at what has changed. I suggest the destruction of ‘community’ by ‘individualism’.

[QatzelOk]

Repeating myself since everyone chooses to ignore the obvious. To find the cause of increased school shootings requires you look for changes that may have caused it. Gun ownership has not changed. It is illogical and unscientific to blame a ‘constant’ for a ‘change’. This is simply political nonsense. You want a simple solution and you don’t care if it makes sense as long as you can bash political opponents with it.
To find the real reasons, you must look at what has changed. I suggest the destruction of ‘community’ by ‘individualism’.

To summarize... mass ownership of guns is in no way responsible for these shootings.

Guns are not the problem. Look elsewhere for blame. (likewise with cars)

[One Degree]

For friends and family, any cause of death is ‘monstrous’. As a society, we should see semis as a much more deadly problem. They should have their own lanes at least.

[Besoeker]

To summarize... mass ownership of guns is in no way responsible for these shootings.

Only if you ignore the evidence.

[Suntzu]

Only if you ignore the evidence.

Doesn't Switzerland have mass ownership of guns including automatic weapons?

[Besoeker]

Doesn't Switzerland have mass ownership of guns including automatic weapons?

And more firearms fatalities than UK.

[Suntzu]

[anarchist23]

[Crantag]

To the notion that the number of deaths from school shootings don't constitute a situation of enough magnitude to be of much reasonable concern. School shooting deaths are gun deaths, and school shootings are mass murders. They are an extreme and dramatic playing out of these broader events. Such extreme cases are symptomatic of a broad issue. Gun murders/mass murders are epidemic, and school shootings are a proxy.

[QatzelOk]

Also, the loud-but-superficial sound of school shootings is a symptom of a much worse, but silent killer: the destruction of community.

Most of the suburban locations in which these shooters come from are not suitable for raising healthy kids. Many of the non-shooters are sicker than the shooters are. Just more passive.

But passive and damaged suburbanites allow the power elite to kill millions abroad, and thousands on the roads and highways. Being a socially-inept suburban dummy has serious consequences for society.

[Besoeker]

Also, the loud-but-superficial sound of school shootings is a symptom of a much worse, but silent killer: the destruction of community.

Again, you miss that vital point. Intent.

[QatzelOk]

Again, you miss that vital point. Intent.

When a group of people follow a brutal gang of greed-bags, the intent is to get as rich as possible. This is the only intent that matters in any aspect of life in North America.

School shootings and car death are symptoms of a stupid, brainwashed consumer cult. And what's really suicidal about it is how passive everyone is. People generally do nothing to fight against the evil of their own societies. This will cost future generations dearly, but this generation has no time for serious subjects or direct democracy. It has become passive and useless to its own offspring.

[Besoeker]

When a group of people follow a brutal gang of greed-bags, the intent is to get as rich as possible.

But not to go into schools and intentionally murder children.
Get real, why don't you..........

[QatzelOk]

But not to go into schools and intentionally murder children.
Get real, why don't you..........

Ruining our societies in order to please our greed-bag leaders has doomed our children to much more than school-shootings.

They're born in debt and their environment is going to get worse and worse thanks to our passive, non-involved media-tard behavior.

The suburbs we raise kids in were built to please car and oil corporations. That our kids are distorted by the lack of natural socialization in these places... is of absolutely no concern to corporations or the media they own.

[Besoeker]

Ruining our societies in order to please our greed-bag leaders has doomed our children to much more than school-shootings.

The topic is school shootings. Haven't you grasped that yet?

[QatzelOk]

The topic is school shootings. Haven't you grasped that yet?

What you don't seem to grasp is that the American suburb is going to destroy the United States.

It has already destroyed communities and children's natural socialization process.

Much worse than school shootings will come out of this. The social isolation of suburbia has created some generalized mental illnesses that corporations are eager to medicate with other poisons what will have other negative effects.

If you're not willing to confront what a failure American society is, then you might as well not discuss politics since you have zero to contribute.