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Decky wrote:Surely the Doctor's plot proves me right? Stalin was the greatest friend the Jews ever had and the only reason that any European Jew survived the 40s and they paid him back by trying to murder him.

Since this is seemingly getting to be off topic , it may be moved , but in trying to gather evidence to refute the assertion that Stalin was the victim of a plot to murder him by means of poison , I actually achieved the opposite . :eek: Here are articles with supportive evidence of just such a plot , Jewish /Zionist based or not , and not simply from the sources one might usually expect either . < http://mailstar.net/death-of-stalin.html , https://www.telegraph.co.uk/films/0/tru ... ed-soviet/ , https://www.historyandheadlines.com/dea ... ly-murder/ , http://surgicalneurologyint.com/surgica ... oisoning/# >
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layman wrote:So Corbyn admits it. Why can’t his supporters?


Corybn is too nice here since the obvious zionist-smears are obvious and boring and backfired again.

He's just addressing actual antisemitism like a lovely man. :D

#WeAreCorbyn trends at No.3 worldwide as Corbynites fight back against anti-Semitic ‘smears’

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This is thoroughly enjoyable. Corbyn even has the support of Nick Griffin. :up:



This is also quite apt I think.


Daily Mail wrote:Corbyn's 'jibe at Jewish MP': Labour leader allegedly called Dame Louise Ellman 'the Honourable Member for Tel Aviv' as new footage emerges of him speaking at another event where Israelis were likened to the Nazis

The above is the main reason why Labour can't adopt the full anti-semitism definition. It would be equivalent to admitting that Corbyn is an anti-semite. :lol:

Now, let's be clear that Labour is always on board with expanding what constitutes bigotry and taking the moral high ground, except - as it happens - when the minority in question is Jewish.

In other words, don't come crying now when the standards you usually apply to everybody else come back to haunt you. Here's hoping this scandal continues for a long time.
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I think Corbyn's position is entirely reasonable.

Independent, 22 July 2018 wrote:As Jews, we reject the myth that it's antisemitic to call Israel racist. In such urgent times, it is more important than ever to distinguish between legitimate critiques of unjust Israeli policies and ‘hostility to Jews as Jews’.
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Socialist Sunday? lol ..... lamo!


Decky wrote:600,000 today tomorrow 6 million! Corbyn will take this country either in a democratic election or by entering the palace of Westminster with momentum at his back.
You will fall to the establishment like everyone else have before you. The globalist will be victorious, this socialist Labour is heading the same way as BNP.

With all honesty I do not think this issue with Corbyn is going to be put to rest until someone like Blair is back at the Labour Party helm.
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Israel running campaign against Jeremy Corbyn
An app operated as part of an Israeli government propaganda campaign issued a “mission” for social media users to make comments against Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn, accusing him of anti-Semitism.

This is the latest evidence of an Israeli campaign of psychological warfare against the UK’s main opposition party.

The Act.IL app on Sunday falsely accused Corbyn of comparing Israel to Nazi Germany in a 2010 meeting which had been resurfaced by The Times last week.

The “mission” was documented in this Tweet by Michael Bueckert, a Canadian researcher who has been monitoring the app since last year.



The reality is very different from the app’s claims.

As my colleague Adri Nieuwhof explains, Corbyn hosted a meeting titled “Never Again – For Anyone” with Hajo Meyer, a survivor of the Auschwitz concentration camp and an anti-Zionist who spoke out strongly for Palestinian rights.

Meyer passed away in 2014.

The Act.IL app asks users to comment on Facebook in response to a Huffington Post UK story about Corbyn’s alleged “anti-Israel remarks,” which it claims are “often a way to hide anti-Semitism.”

The “mission” directs users to click “like” on a comment by Facebook user “Nancy Saada,” and write their own comments echoing her criticisms of Labour.

“Nancy” has posted elsewhere on her Facebook profile a photo of herself in an Israeli army uniform posing on an armored vehicle draped with an Israeli flag.

Israeli sabotage
As The Electronic Intifada reported earlier this year, the Act.IL app is a product of Israel’s strategic affairs ministry.

That ministry directs Israel’s covert efforts to sabotage the Palestine solidarity movement around the world.

Its top civil servant is a former army intelligence officer and the ministry is staffed by veterans of various spy agencies whose names are classified.

The Act.IL “mission” is another piece of evidence of the Israeli campaign of psychological warfare against Labour.

It is part of a long-running influence operation by Israel and its lobby groups to smear Corbyn, a veteran Palestine solidarity activist, and to label the party he leads “institutionally anti-Semitic.”

The operation also aims to push Labour, where there is strong support for Palestinian rights among the grassroots, in a more pro-Israel direction.

A covert element of the effort revealed last year by the undercover Al Jazeera documentary The Lobby involved attempts by the Israeli embassy to set up a grassroots pro-Israel organization for Labour youth.

The campaign has found support among the declining Labour right, including many of the party’s lawmakers, some of them involved with pro-Israel groups.

The Jewish Labour Movement, an anti-Palestinian group deeply linked to the Israeli government, has been at the forefront of the effort.

The group is run by Ella Rose, a former Israeli embassy officer.

Rose has privately admitted that as JLM director, she maintained close links to Shai Masot, the Israeli embassy spy forced to leave the country last year after the Al Jazeera investigation exposed him plotting to “take down” a senior UK government minister.

Masot was also spearheading the effort to manufacture a grassroots pro-Israel organization within the party, a tactic known as astroturfing.

JLM demands
Adam Langleben, the Jewish Labour Movement’s campaigns officer, issued his group’s latest demands on Corbyn on Monday.

These included that Labour adopt “unamended” the controversial IHRA definition of anti-Semitism which would define it as anti-Semitic to accurately describe the Israeli state as a “racist endeavor.”

The Israel lobby group is also demanding that Labour drop Chris Williamson – a leading leftist – as a lawmaker.

Instead of shutting down these claims as the bad faith attacks that they clearly are, Corbyn has continued a strategy of concession after concession that has only fueled the attacks.

He has rolled back his position on important matters of principle, like BDS – the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement for Palestinian rights.

In a Guardian opinion piece on Friday, Corbyn offered “dialogue with community organizations, including the Jewish Labour Movement” to discuss their demand that the IHRA document be adopted in full, even as he acknowledged that some of its provisions have “been used by those wanting to restrict criticism of Israel that is not anti-Semitic.”

It is unclear what Corbyn hopes to achieve in “dialogue” with a group that has close ties to a hostile foreign power committed to manipulating his party from within.

Not surprisingly, the JLM immediately dismissed Corbyn’s opinion piece as “another article bemoaning a situation.”

In his list of demands, the JLM’s Langleben admits that any concession Corbyn makes will not be enough.

“These measures would have been welcomed, and maybe even celebrated, two years ago,” he writes of his demands.

But now Langleben claims that matters have “reached the point of no return.”

“Decisive and significant actions, not words, are the only thing that can bring us back from the brink,” Langleben states.

He doesn’t say who must take this action, or what the action is.

This is certainly open to the interpretation that the Jewish Labour Movement expects the party to take the action of ousting its leader.



As for that “brink,” I warned in a widely shared Twitter thread last month that the Labour right and the Israel lobby may be planning a damaging split from the party.

Since I made that prediction, there are more signs that this could be coming to pass.

The most common response to my prediction on social media was to welcome their departure.

But be warned: Mainstream media which have fueled sensational and often baseless smears will falsely portray any combined exit of right-wing lawmakers and anti-Palestinian activists as an “exodus of Jews” from the Labour Party. And yes, columnists supporting them will probably even use the same hackneyed biblical allusion.
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/as ... emy-corbyn




Right-wing Labour MPs are ‘holding secret meetings to plot their sabotage of a Corbyn government’

Labour moderates in secret plot to oust Jeremy Corbyn are branded traitors and threatened with deselection by furious Corbynistas
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skinster wrote:Yes, so that Labour membership under Corbyn goes way beyond the 600,000+ it currently is at.

I'm sure plenty of anti-semites are looking for a home and are welcomed with open arms by Labour.

And I'm only half joking, as this is inevitable to some extent. Grey areas will be exploited by people who really are prejudiced, for instance anti-semites hiding behind the anti-zionit label, and you may well end up with people like NG and others like him supporting you. This kind of dynamic is usually used by your side as evidence that your opponents are racist or whatever. This is the main lesson here. If progressives/lefties learn nothing from it they deserve to choke on their own medicine.
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A tweet skinster quoted wrote:A major campaign founder brags about ‘weaponising’ antisemitism to banish Jeremy Corbyn ‘from public life’

"Weaponizing" anti-semitism is like weaponizing a weapon. That's all "anti-semitism" ever was - a weapon that the media mafia aims regularly at powerful people that they can't control, or that they want to remove from public life.

If anti-Arabism ever gains as much traction, it will be the West's DUTY to get rid of the Israeli race-colony. Israel was built on racism against Arabs, in much the same way that the 13 colonies breathed and ate racism for breakfast every morning in their early years.

Looking at the later years of the little 13 colonies makes me fear a lot of Arab holocausts that are yet to come as Israel gets more and more desparate for "growth" without labor.
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